Elvis Presley At 3AM - Lake Tahoe 1973 (Memphis Recording Service)

[RickGreekElvis]

A 2CD set featuring shows from Elvis’ May 1973 engagement at The Sahara Tahoe in Lake Tahoe, Nevada. Included is a rare 3am charity performance and the midnight show from the previous night. Both shows for the first time are presented in stereo. The accompanying booklet includes memorabilia and rare photos along with liner notes that set the scene.

CD1 - 12th May 1973 (Midnight Show)

01. Also Sprach Zarathustra
02. See See Rider
03. I Got A Woman / Amen
04. Help Me Make It Through The Night
05. Steamroller Blues
06. You Gave Me A Mountain
07. Love Me
08. Blue Suede Shoes
09. Long Tall Sally / Whole Lotta Shakin'/ Mama Don't Dance / Shake, Rattle & Roll
10. I'm Leavin'
11. Hound Dog
12. What Now My Love
13. Suspicious Minds
14. Band Introductions
15. I'll Remember You
16. I Can't Stop Loving You
17. Bridge Over Troubled Water
18. A Big Hunk O' Love
19. Can't Help Falling In Love
20. Announcement


CD2 - 13th May 1973 (3.00am Show)

01. Also Sprach Zarathustra
02. See See Rider
03. I Got A Woman / Amen
04. Help Me Make It Through The Night
05. Steamroller Blues
06. You Gave Me A Mountain
07. Love Me
08. Blue Suede Shoes
09. Long Tall Sally / Whole Lotta Shakin'/ Mama Don't Dance / Shake, Rattle & Roll
10. My Way
11. Hound Dog
12. What Now My Love
13. Suspicious Minds
14. Band Introductions
15. I'll Remember You
16. I Can't Stop Loving You
17. Bridge Over Troubled Water
18. Funny How Time Slips Away
19. It's Over
20. Release Me
21. Faded Love
22. Can't Help Falling In Love

Release Date February 23rd, 2024

Source: https://www.plastichead.com/elvis-presley-at-3am-lake-tahoe-1973-2cd-digi-book-compact-disc-double-mrs10005073

[JimmyCool]

Both shows for the first time are presented in stereo.

[pmp]

A 2CD set featuring shows from Elvis’ May 1973 engagement at The Sahara Tahoe in Lake Tahoe, Nevada. Included is a rare 3am charity performance and the midnight show from the previous night. Both shows for the first time are presented in stereo. The accompanying booklet includes memorabilia and rare photos along with liner notes that set the scene.

CD1 - 12th May 1973 (Midnight Show)

01. Also Sprach Zarathustra
02. See See Rider
03. I Got A Woman / Amen
04. Help Me Make It Through The Night
05. Steamroller Blues
06. You Gave Me A Mountain
07. Love Me
08. Blue Suede Shoes
09. Long Tall Sally / Whole Lotta Shakin'/ Mama Don't Dance / Shake, Rattle & Roll
10. I'm Leavin'
11. Hound Dog
12. What Now My Love
13. Suspicious Minds
14. Band Introductions
15. I'll Remember You
16. I Can't Stop Loving You
17. Bridge Over Troubled Water
18. A Big Hunk O' Love
19. Can't Help Falling In Love
20. Announcement


CD2 - 13th May 1973 (3.00am Show)

01. Also Sprach Zarathustra
02. See See Rider
03. I Got A Woman / Amen
04. Help Me Make It Through The Night
05. Steamroller Blues
06. You Gave Me A Mountain
07. Love Me
08. Blue Suede Shoes
09. Long Tall Sally / Whole Lotta Shakin'/ Mama Don't Dance / Shake, Rattle & Roll
10. My Way
11. Hound Dog
12. What Now My Love
13. Suspicious Minds
14. Band Introductions
15. I'll Remember You
16. I Can't Stop Loving You
17. Bridge Over Troubled Water
18. Funny How Time Slips Away
19. It's Over
20. Release Me
21. Faded Love
22. Can't Help Falling In Love

Release Date February 23rd, 2024

Source: https://www.plastichead.com/elvis-presley-at-3am-lake-tahoe-1973-2cd-digi-book-compact-disc-double-mrs10005073

One has to wonder why FTD has let these releases go without challenge for so long. It seems utterly absurd that they have done so - even more so when the first disc was released relatively recently on FTD. It seems highly doubtful that the stereo-isation would count as an unreleased work in the courts.

[JimmyCool]

It seems highly doubtful that the stereo-isation would count as an unreleased work in the courts.

I think they are just pushing their luck.

[Union Ave]

All plainly stolen from FTD.

[hm80ep]

They're putting out the 3AM show on vinyl, too.
https://www.plastichead.com/elvis-presley-at-3am-lake-tahoe-1973-vinyl-lp-mrv400005073

[YDKM]

I am quite surprised by this as we all know where they got the audio from. Still sometimes the 'Stereo' they produce is impressive. Hmm?

[dougkapp]

I heard Closing Night 1972 released by MRS and the sound is better than the FTD version. I don't know exactly what they did, but the sound is clearer.

[Elvis2000]

It’s been obvious that they’ve lifted from official sources, this release just makes it undeniable.

[SpyGuyUK]

I am quite surprised by this as we all know where they got the audio from. Still sometimes the 'Stereo' they produce is impressive. Hmm?

That's for sure!

[Johnny2523]

No thanks

[pmp]

It’s been obvious that they’ve lifted from official sources, this release just makes it undeniable.

In some cases, it's been obvious. But, again, the Jan/Feb 1971 recordings were not, as FTD didn't release their versions until several months afterwards PLUS the sources in those cases were clearly different. MRS were seemingly working from copies several times removed from the clearer tapes FTD used. The same is true of the opening night 1972 release. That couldn't be from FTD, because FTD haven't released it.

That doesn't affect this release, though, which is clearly taken from the FTD - there is presumably no other source that they could have worked from.

[SpyGuyUK]

I heard Closing Night 1972 released by MRS and the sound is better than the FTD version. I don't know exactly what they did, but the sound is clearer.

One of the ways you can tell these sound so good is that I guess a lot of folks listen to SB's/Audience recordings on their headphones but with these MRS 'Stereo' versions you can listen on your normal Hi-Fi set up which really in many cases you can't really do with source material of this type.

I don't normally buy vinyl for SB's/Audience recordings but being in stereo it did sound a lot better. In fact the sound was so good at times I forgot I was listening to a SB/ Audience recording!

[L Ray]

In response to comments above. I don’t get all of the MRS releases but the ones I have all sound better than FTD soundboards. Yes they are clearer sounding than FTD soundboards and move realistic.

[elvis-fan]

I've always enjoyed the audience recording from the show on the 13th more than the newer soundboards...

[drjohncarpenter]

All plainly stolen from FTD.

U.K. PD laws are a corrupt grey market label's best friend.

[Gunter]

My ultimate dream for the 3am show would be a matrix recording of the soundboard with stereo separation and the audience recordings as both sources are excellent. Anyway, matrix or not, they should be able to do nice things with these recordings. As they did with their previous releases.

[emjel]

It’s been obvious that they’ve lifted from official sources, this release just makes it undeniable.

In some cases, it's been obvious. But, again, the Jan/Feb 1971 recordings were not, as FTD didn't release their versions until several months afterwards PLUS the sources in those cases were clearly different. MRS were seemingly working from copies several times removed from the clearer tapes FTD used. The same is true of the opening night 1972 release. That couldn't be from FTD, because FTD haven't released it.

That doesn't affect this release, though, which is clearly taken from the FTD - there is presumably no other source that they could have worked from.

But that’s the part we don’t know. Did anyone make copies of these soundboards back in the day. Someone said that all soundboards were recorded and given to RCA but if that was the case, how did Bruce Jackson end up with some that he then went on to sell to FTD. i would assume the earlier FTD releases are protected because they are not in public domain, but if there was another source that provided MRS, that’s not quite the same as just copying FTD discs.
I don’t think this is quite as crystal clear as many would like - if there was a copyright infringement, it doesn’t make any sense that Sony/FTD would simply ignore it. And as silly as this might seem, is there any chance that Sony or FTD sold the tapes (not licensed them) to MRS. It’s doubtful that Sony as a company would be interested in selling them via mainstream, and perhaps FTD see no further interest or reason to keep hold of them as they are unlikely to re-issue them. FTD get a quick cash injection and the risk of producing a new release falls onto MRS.

[Swedish]

U.K. PD laws are a corrupt grey market label's best friend.

All plainly stolen from

But E's 1954-1962 rec are PD in whole EU/Europa and just not only in UK...

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And before that, back in the 80s & early 90s). Because of relatively flexible copyright laws, the expiration date was between 15 and 25 years in many european country like e.g. them in the Scandinavia subregion. So already then could we Swede & Danes legal release things like this without having to ask RCA...

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[emjel]

All plainly stolen from FTD.

U.K. PD laws are a corrupt grey market label's best friend.

The laws were passed in the whole of Europe. The U.K. kept them after leaving the EU - Canada have a similar law.

But these recordings have not fallen into Public Domain as the recordings were issued prior to the expiry date of 31st December 2023.

[sweetangeline]

And as silly as this might seem, is there any chance that Sony or FTD sold the tapes (not licensed them) to MRS. It’s doubtful that Sony as a company would be interested in selling them via mainstream, and perhaps FTD see no further interest or reason to keep hold of them as they are unlikely to re-issue them. FTD get a quick cash injection and the risk of producing a new release falls onto MRS.

Respectfully, let`s keep this one as you called it

[YDKM]

All plainly stolen from FTD.

U.K. PD laws are a corrupt grey market label's best friend.

The laws were passed in the whole of Europe. The U.K. kept them after leaving the EU - Canada have a similar law.

But these recordings have not fallen into Public Domain as the recordings were issued prior to the expiry date of 31st December 2023.

Yes but with just 14 days until 2024...I would bet no one will have a copy until early 2024

[emjel]

And as silly as this might seem, is there any chance that Sony or FTD sold the tapes (not licensed them) to MRS. It’s doubtful that Sony as a company would be interested in selling them via mainstream, and perhaps FTD see no further interest or reason to keep hold of them as they are unlikely to re-issue them. FTD get a quick cash injection and the risk of producing a new release falls onto MRS.

Respectfully, let`s keep this one as you called it

Thanks - at least I’ve just won the bet I had with myself

[pmp]

It’s been obvious that they’ve lifted from official sources, this release just makes it undeniable.

In some cases, it's been obvious. But, again, the Jan/Feb 1971 recordings were not, as FTD didn't release their versions until several months afterwards PLUS the sources in those cases were clearly different. MRS were seemingly working from copies several times removed from the clearer tapes FTD used. The same is true of the opening night 1972 release. That couldn't be from FTD, because FTD haven't released it.

That doesn't affect this release, though, which is clearly taken from the FTD - there is presumably no other source that they could have worked from.

But that’s the part we don’t know. Did anyone make copies of these soundboards back in the day. Someone said that all soundboards were recorded and given to RCA but if that was the case, how did Bruce Jackson end up with some that he then went on to sell to FTD. i would assume the earlier FTD releases are protected because they are not in public domain, but if there was another source that provided MRS, that’s not quite the same as just copying FTD discs.
I don’t think this is quite as crystal clear as many would like - if there was a copyright infringement, it doesn’t make any sense that Sony/FTD would simply ignore it. And as silly as this might seem, is there any chance that Sony or FTD sold the tapes (not licensed them) to MRS. It’s doubtful that Sony as a company would be interested in selling them via mainstream, and perhaps FTD see no further interest or reason to keep hold of them as they are unlikely to re-issue them. FTD get a quick cash injection and the risk of producing a new release falls onto MRS.

I very much doubt that there would be interaction between FTD and MRS along those lines. Certainly, the 1971 Jan/Feb set doesn't appear to come from the same tapes as the FTD release that followed it. The FTD has less distortion, for a start, and seems to have a much cleaner sound overall. We also know that the September 1970 soundboard has nothing to do with FTD. That said, if MRS aren't using the FTDs as their source on most other releases, it seems something of a coincidence that they are releasing the same concerts in the main.

[pmp]

All plainly stolen from FTD.

U.K. PD laws are a corrupt grey market label's best friend.

You seem to be utterly oblivious to the fact that the US has public domain laws, too. Every country has them - and in some cases something will come out of copyright in one country first, and in some cases another country will see copyright expire first.

For example, there are hundreds of classical Hollywood-era films that are in the public domain in the USA - that includes Fred Astaire's film Royal Wedding, the major film musical Till the Clouds Roll By, the 1945 Agatha Christie adaptation And Then There Were None, and a handful of the Basil Rathbone Sherlock Holmes films. Add to that list Night of the Living Dead, The Inspector General, Charade, A farewell to Arms, Meet John Doe, Santa Fe Trail, Too Late for Tears etc. Does this make America's PD laws a corrupt grey market? Likewise, any film copyrighted before the end of 1928 falls into the public domain in January in the USA. That means films like Dracula, Frankenstein, and All Quiet on the Western Front will all fall into the public domain in the USA within the next three or four years.

Likewise, many books fall into the public domain in the USA before they do elsewhere. There was a huge fight against this when the Sherlock Holmes stories fell into the public domain a few decades back - but the Doyle estate lost the fight. Likewise, several Agatha Christie novels (including The Murder of Roger Ackroyd) are in the public domain in the USA but are in copyright here in the UK until 2046.

Are we accusing the USA of a corrupt grey market? No. Partly because there's no such thing as a grey market. It's a term you made up. And a term that ultimately is meaningless.