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hello, I'm trying to classify this photo but I'm hesitant, between the promotional photos of Love me Tender and September 26, 1956 or another date you for your help
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Something looks amiss with the image



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If this is legit, than that's fine and would be new to me as well. Somehow I have a strange feeling about this one though. Hopefully somebody can shed light on the origins of the picture.



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claude 91 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:28 pm
hello, I'm trying to classify this photo but I'm hesitant, between the promotional photos of Love me Tender and September 26, 1956 or another date you for your help
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I believe this is an AI-manipulation, not a genuine photo.

It's based on sessions from September 4-6, 1956 with legendary 20th Century Fox portrait and still photographer Frank Powolny. I uncovered his name and work with Presley a few years back, and posted about it here.

But nothing like this shot has ever surfaced in print media from the 20th Century Fox dates. If you study Powolny's long history of work at the studio with their stars, such a pose would not likely be encouraged, anyway.

More importantly, an internet search turns up nothing, save a LOT of clearly AI-filtered known portraits. God, use of the software is hideous.

The true prints from the 20th Century Fox sessions are the best, whether black and white or color. One of the color shots ended up on a 1959 RCA LP, uncredited of course. Management shenanigans, of course.


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Thank you so much for your input, much appreciated!
Your points made in regards to the image being ai created mirror what I was feeling. Also a big thank you for the reminder on Frank Powolny and his work. I had forgotten about his name and it was good reading about him.




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thank you all for your valuable opinions, I find this AI terrible, nothing will be authentic anymore, that saddens me



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Photo posted is upscaled using a.i. but the photo itself is real.
Here is the original photo from my archive. Hope this helps.
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jekhb76 wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:47 pm
Photo posted is upscaled using a.i. but the photo itself is real.
Here is the original photo from my archive. Hope this helps.
1956 S1 60A.jpg





This image cannot be found on the internet. Not anywhere. Not even a cropped version. This was a major factor in considering the possibility it was a manufactured portrait.

Assuming it's genuine, it's likely a black and white print of a color negative made by 20th Century Fox photographer Frank Powolny, as in the two examples posted above.

How did it end up in your archive?
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Markus K. wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:13 am
Thank you so much for your input, much appreciated!
Your points made in regards to the image being ai created mirror what I was feeling. Also a big thank you for the reminder on Frank Powolny and his work. I had forgotten about his name and it was good reading about him.
https://elvicities.com/~epss/gallery/love-me-tender-1956/


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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:25 pm
jekhb76 wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:47 pm
Photo posted is upscaled using a.i. but the photo itself is real.
Here is the original photo from my archive. Hope this helps.
1956 S1 60A.jpg






This image cannot be found on the internet. Not anywhere. Not even a cropped version. This was a major factor in considering the possibility it was a manufactured portrait.

Assuming it's genuine, it's likely a black and white print of a color negative made by 20th Century Fox photographer Frank Powolny, as in the two examples posted above.

How did it end up in your archive?
All I can say is that it is genuine. Bought it years ago from a fellow collector. This comes from a negative sheet produced from this session wich i bought.



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jekhb76 wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:48 pm
All I can say is that it is genuine. Bought it years ago from a fellow collector. This comes from a negative sheet produced from this session wich i bought.



It certainly appears legitimate in your upload. I guess we can assume that there are an underground network of Elvis photo collectors who possess images not seen anywhere online or in print media, not unlike the same for rare audio collectors.

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jekhb76 wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:53 pm
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1956 S1 45D.jpg



This is another shot by by 20th Century Fox photographer Frank Powolny you cannot find anywhere.

Maybe we should get you to publish a photo journal.

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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:25 pm
jekhb76 wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:47 pm
Photo posted is upscaled using a.i. but the photo itself is real.
Here is the original photo from my archive. Hope this helps.
1956 S1 60A.jpg






This image cannot be found on the internet. Not anywhere. Not even a cropped version. This was a major factor in considering the possibility it was a manufactured portrait.

Assuming it's genuine, it's likely a black and white print of a color negative made by 20th Century Fox photographer Frank Powolny, as in the two examples posted above.

How did it end up in your archive?
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:19 pm
jekhb76 wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:53 pm
::rocks
1956 S1 45D.jpg




This is another shot by by 20th Century Fox photographer Frank Powolny you cannot find anywhere.

Maybe we should get you to publish a photo journal.

:wink:
Nah, just glad to help out now and then.



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jekhb76 wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:47 pm
Nah, just glad to help out now and then.



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javierTCB wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:39 pm
Markus K. wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:13 am
Thank you so much for your input, much appreciated!
Your points made in regards to the image being ai created mirror what I was feeling. Also a big thank you for the reminder on Frank Powolny and his work. I had forgotten about his name and it was good reading about him.

https://elvicities.com/~epss/gallery/love-me-tender-1956



Please note:

The photographer research on FECC was posted in December 2011, the portrait site page went up circa September 2015.

https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1191220#p1191220
https://web.archive.org/web/20150906132358/https://elvicities.com/~epss/gallery/love-me-tender-1956/


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The photo is genuine, a black and white Frank Powolny negative.
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hilton22000 wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2024 11:56 pm
The photo is genuine, a black and white Frank Powolny negative.
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Maybe you should get together a photo journal!
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Have a great weekend.
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In the last photo, he looks a lot like James Dean.



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The Powolny pictures were all printed in the massive Lorentzen book from 2018 titled The Reno Brothers.


"As head portrait and still photographer at 20th Century-Fox, and a predecessor company, from 1923 to 1966, Mr. Powolny captured thousands of stars in photos that ended up in newspapers, magazines and theater lobbies around the world. His subjects included Janet Gaynor, Tom Mix, Shirley Temple, Lana Turner, Gene Tierney, Humphrey Bogart, Bing Crosby, Jennifer Jones, Joan Collins and Ann-Margret and, of course, Elvis Presley."

Erik Lorentzen Love Me Tender photoshoot Frank Powolny.-page-007.jpg
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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Thu Jul 25, 2024 1:57 am
Maybe you should get together a photo journal!
I've done it already, 9140 pages only for 1956 ;) I've started in 2007 and am still updating it with new info and photos. Here are a few pages from this project.
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Brilliant photos, my interpretation.
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galaxie wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2024 7:11 pm
The Powolny pictures were all printed in the massive Lorentzen book from 2018 titled The Reno Brothers.


"As head portrait and still photographer at 20th Century-Fox, and a predecessor company, from 1923 to 1966, Mr. Powolny captured thousands of stars in photos that ended up in newspapers, magazines and theater lobbies around the world. His subjects included Janet Gaynor, Tom Mix, Shirley Temple, Lana Turner, Gene Tierney, Humphrey Bogart, Bing Crosby, Jennifer Jones, Joan Collins and Ann-Margret and, of course, Elvis Presley."


https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/download/file.php?id=176971
https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/download/file.php?id=176970



And of course FECC was credited for uncovering the information about the identity of the photographer, yeah?


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