would you buy Birmingham in Binaural ?

Post by **jailhouserocker** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:36 pm

I will buy any good sounding show

and having a complete show in binaural sound will be fantastic

for mono maniacs you only have to turn your hifi system on "mono"
and that's it ( but if the cd is mix down to mono it its impossible
to do the reverse for binaural maniacs

)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:50 pm

I`ll buy it as quick as it comes out for only one reason, but a good one:
I don`t have "Burning in Birmingham" and that goes for "A hot winter night" as well. Every time you guys talk about those great shows I just want them even more.

Post by **Kenneth** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:15 pm

I'am interested. This tour are more interesting than most of the shows I have after 1971 so better sound would be great. And the same time give your good soundengineer the fantastic 26. january 1970 openingshow and work out a best possible sound. That would be something

Kenneth

Juan Luis · Post by **Juan Luis** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:28 pm

Whomever tell the pro no peaks above .05 (no clipping) and no noise redution plus compression,EQ to taste.... need to watch for the drum/cymbals sound that turns to sheeiiieet when too much compression is used. Of course he would know that but just so he not try and make a fast penny with a mediocre up the knobs job....

Post by **deadringer** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:37 pm

JLGB wrote:Whomever tell the pro no peaks above .05 (no clipping) and no noise redution plus compression,EQ to taste.... need to watch for the drum/cymbals sound that turns to sheeiiieet when too much compression is used. Of course he would know that but just so he not try and make a fast penny with a mediocre up the knobs job....

Well noise reduction is really needed ... for these tapes. However, it must be carefully done of course. Not like with FLY TROUBLE CD (being the worst possible example). Compression no way, it will only make the sound totally unnatural. Problem is that 29.12.76 soundboard is very flat... but there is certainly room for improvement.

Juan Luis · Post by **Juan Luis** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:49 pm

deadringer wrote:
JLGB wrote:Whomever tell the pro no peaks above .05 (no clipping) and no noise redution plus compression,EQ to taste.... need to watch for the drum/cymbals sound that turns to sheeiiieet when too much compression is used. Of course he would know that but just so he not try and make a fast penny with a mediocre up the knobs job....
Well noise reduction is really needed ... for these tapes. However, it must be carefully done of course. Not like with FLY TROUBLE CD (being the worst possible example). Compression no way, it will only make the sound totally unnatural. Problem is that 29.12.76 soundboard is very flat... but there is certainly room for improvement.

multi band compression could be sneaked in to fatten sound if needed..IMO. also NR could be done carefully just a micro hair from taking out any musical signal...also avoiding at all costs any hint of digital artifacts(I say hint because you might not notice right away).

Post by **Deke Rivers II** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:00 am

I have never understood what all the fuss about "Burning In Birmingham" is all about; I have never been impressed with this show. There are plenty other boots of soundboards and even audience shows that are much better than "Burning....."

Post by **Thomas** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:08 am

Deke Rivers II wrote:I have never understood what all the fuss about "Burning In Birmingham" is all about

Then you have never really listened to it, or you failed to see the context. It was the first really good show after about a year of crap, so to speak.

Post by **Rock Legend** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:28 am

You could release the concert as a "2-for-the-price-of-one" release, with the mono version on one disc and the binaural one on the second. I think most people will end up preferring the mono version, but that way they would also have the binaural version for the sake of curiosity.

Post by **midnightx** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:28 am

Thomas wrote:
Deke Rivers II wrote:I have never understood what all the fuss about "Burning In Birmingham" is all about
Then you have never really listened to it, or you failed to see the context. It was the first really good show after about a year of crap, so to speak.

Exactly. Basically, most of 1976 and 1977 were filled with VERY below average performances. But in late December of 1976, Elvis got some of that spark back and some of those shows really stand out, especially for that era.

Post by **Deke Rivers II** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:13 pm

Thomas wrote:
Deke Rivers II wrote:I have never understood what all the fuss about "Burning In Birmingham" is all about
Then you have never really listened to it, or you failed to see the context. It was the first really good show after about a year of crap, so to speak.

I have listened to it several times to try and make it better than it was (it doesn't work

). If this is the better one then I probably do not want to hear the rest. But, maybe I should line up the soundboards from 1976 (that I have) and compare. I am sure though that I still won't change my mind that it is a decent show but there are much better/or much more interesting ones.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:04 pm

Deke Rivers II wrote:I have never understood what all the fuss about "Burning In Birmingham" is all about; I have never been impressed with this show. There are plenty other boots of soundboards and even audience shows that are much better than "Burning....."

Well then, please name some...
'BIB' is a standout concert for '76. Probably, in the top 3 shows for that year.

Post by **BigredG** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:12 pm

Deke Rivers II wrote: .....but there are much better/or much more interesting ones.

IMO there are very few shows that are more interesting than this one for the reasons discussed above and more!!

It's not your tight 1972 show, or a majestic 1970 show, but those seem some how "sterile" compared to nights like Birmingham, December 29 1976.

Post by **frus75** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:16 pm

JLGB wrote:Whomever tell the pro no peaks above .05 (no clipping) and no noise redution plus compression,EQ to taste.... need to watch for the drum/cymbals sound that turns to sheeiiieet when too much compression is used. Of course he would know that but just so he not try and make a fast penny with a mediocre up the knobs job....

I wish they could hire you for the soundboard releases. FTD soundboards are badly mastered. AN improvement on BIB would be welcome.

Do you think Dallas could also be improved?

Post by **elvis-fan** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:57 pm

It would certainly be interesting if Ernst could get his hands on the Atlanta show from Dec. 30 or perhaps even the Wichita, KS show (from the soundboard). As I already have the Pittsburgh, Birmingham and Dallas shows, it would be a welcome addition. I never thought of these shows as anywhere near Elvis' best, but you guys are right in that they show a spark in Elvis that had been lost for most of 1976. If FTD can't get the other soundboards, one thought might be to release both the Dallas and Birmingham shows together on a double CD set...

Post by **Thomas** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:39 pm

Deke Rivers II wrote:If this is the better one then I probably do not want to hear the rest. But, maybe I should line up the soundboards from 1976 (that I have) and compare. I am sure though that I still won't change my mind that it is a decent show but there are much better/or much more interesting ones.

Try to compare it with per example "Southbound", "Still RockKING the Nation" or the "Bicentennial Experience".

Post by **Robert** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:12 pm

elvis-fan wrote:It would certainly be interesting if Ernst could get his hands on the Atlanta show from Dec. 30 or perhaps even the Wichita, KS show (from the soundboard). As I already have the Pittsburgh, Birmingham and Dallas shows, it would be a welcome addition. I never thought of these shows as anywhere near Elvis' best, but you guys are right in that they show a spark in Elvis that had been lost for most of 1976. If FTD can't get the other soundboards, one thought might be to release both the Dallas and Birmingham shows together on a double CD set...

Ernst has the Whichita show, it will be released some day.
Atlanta is recorded, but the tape has vanished

Cheers, RJ

Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:18 pm

... where did you pick up this info. Its new to me, Robert...?

Post by **Robert** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:11 pm

Well, Wichita was scheduled for the anniversary box set years ago.
But Joan Deary picked "Dallas '75"

So BMG has this one...

Atlanta has never shown up in any list. (Tunzi etc..)
Maybe it's in private hands, but I gave up hope...

Do you have other information, Ger?

Post by **Thekingstillrocks** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:57 pm

Tough question.

As anybody here you enjoy a good sounding , everything understanding Soundboard.
I have like most of the long time collectors these great shows on cd

Basically yes , if they really give me the pleasure to rediscover the concert.
Hearing things I'ven't heard or not noticed before.
I would love it.

I would go for what comes out the best sounding and makes me giving the idea its really close to the actual performance.

I remember a discussion on a HIFI forum about a EQ lizer use.
The bottom of the fact was , everybody has a different iplayer and , prefers a different setting, so in some cases a EQ is needed with others it would be only deforming the sound.
in the end its a matter of taste.
Even a pure sound is depending on who did the final mastering.
listen to the japanese release and the European release of a same cd
Like in the 80's when lps were more common , the USA release was much more pop and the european more calm sounding.
I would suggest a natural sound and , at home you give it your pepper and salt with the a little treble and bass.
As long as the basic sound is good.

Post by **deadringer** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:01 pm

I guess Atlanta tape was burned in Jarvis backyard by his wife "A. H." Mary Jarvis along with 1976 jungle room sessions x-rated stuff? She found the song "Such A Night" performed on 30.12.76 a little bit toooo much sexual.

To new moderator: see, I corrected the name even if I see nothing wrong in it. And now i wonder... is the word "sexual" also prohibited on this forum?

Post by **drjohncarpenter** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:12 am

Robert wrote:Well, Wichita was scheduled for the anniversary box set years ago. But Joan Deary picked "Dallas '75" ...

No. According to Presley expert Joe Tunzi, the two 1976 live tapes under consideration for A Golden Celebration (RCA 1984) were:

October 14, 1976 - Chicago, IL
December 29, 1976 - Birmingham, AL

Both later slipped out as "imports," and each has its merits. But the June 1975 recordings she issued in 1980 were certainly a better choice.

Post by **deadringer** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:21 am

As far as I remember Wichita 76 was announced as possibility for one FTD release... but then plans were changed ? ... not too bad choice ... there's 1st version of Unchained Melody.

I do not think that Dallas 75 is any better than Birmingham 76. Just the opposite... but the sound quality of Dallas 75 is much better.

Post by **ritchie valens** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:44 am

the dec 76 sbs are 100% better shows than ones from 1977.
i'd buy it if was mastered right and not mastered crappy.
are soundboards recorded in binaural or mono?

Post by **Gregory Nolan Jr.** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:37 am

Dallas '75 better than Birmingham, '76? Whatever the strengths of '75 era Elvis, his annoyingly jokey-attitude heard on the "Elvis Aron Presley" version of the Texas concert as well as the bootleg is in high contrast with his "aiming-to-please/ young-girlfriend-in-the-audience" inspiration of late '76. Besides, looming death aside, his still-maturing voice was arguably richer and more powerful than ever (at his best) in '76-'77 than in '75.

Yes, I'd buy either bi or straight version of any upgraded version of Birmingham, Ger

It's one of my favorites, as far as late period Elvis goes. Weaned on the '77 "Elvis in Concert" in some ways, this surpasses it (like Dallas and Pittsburgh) showing a fired-up King, if one can tune out other problems and influences he betrays.

The Birmingham cover shot won't be hard to improve and surely the current standard is for a deluxe booklet, chock with photos and original, an informative essay. I say enlist wordsmith Sniffy McGillis one more time.