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Ah, lowlife :evil: Do they have capital punishment in New York ? Thoughts and prayers to the relatives and friends to the deceased.

Ten dead in suspected race attack at New York state store


An 18-year-old white man has shot dead 10 people in a black neighbourhood of New York state in what authorities are calling a racially motivated attack.

The man, named as Payton Gendron in court papers, was arrested after a stand-off at the scene - a supermarket in the city of Buffalo.

The suspect entered the store on Saturday afternoon before opening fire. He livestreamed the attack online.

US President Joe Biden condemned what he called an "abhorrent" act.

"We are investigating this incident as both a hate crime and a case of racially-motivated violent extremism," said Stephen Belongia, from the FBI's Buffalo office, adding there was evidence of "racial animosity."

CBS news reported that the attacker shouted racial slurs during the shooting and suggested that he had a racial slur written on his weapon. He also apparently posted a manifesto online which included racist language and ideas.

The suspect is believed to have driven for some 200 miles to reach the predominantly black area of the city. Thirteen people were shot in total and the majority of the victims were black, Buffalo Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia said.

"He exited his vehicle. He was very heavily armed. He had tactical gear. He had a tactical helmet on. He had a camera that he was live-streaming what he was doing," Mr Gramaglia told reporters.

He said the suspect surrendered his weapon after a tense stand-off and was taken into custody. He later appeared in court charged with first degree murder.

The three wounded victims - who all worked at the supermarket - have not sustained life-threatening injuries.

A retired police officer who was working as a security guard tried to shoot the suspect but was among those killed, police said.
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One of the authorities a Sheriff by the name of John Garcia, has just said that the name of the murderer should not ever be mentioned.



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Another american nutcase who managed to legally get hold of a firearm. Only this one was already on the local police Radar for almost one year :evil: :

Salient points:

Hochul said an AR-15 used in the shooting was purchased legally in a gun store...
in New York state but was modified with a high-capacity magazine, which is not legal in the state.

The suspected gunman had previously been on the radar of police, officials said.

As a student at Susquehanna Valley Central High School, he made a "generalized threat" in June 2021, Gramaglia said. The student was brought in for a mental health evaluation and was released after a day and a half, according to Gramaglia. The threat was not racially motivated, he added.


Earlier Sunday, Hochul said on ABC's "This Week" that the suspect had previously been under surveillance with medical authorities related to "something he wrote in high school."


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/15/us/buffalo-supermarket-shooting-sunday/index.html


and this !


" attack bears similarities to a number of mass shootings in recent years that were motivated by hate and intended to be seen online, including the shootings at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, in 2019."


Based on the above, you cannot say "look at that, yet another mass shooting in America" because such racial hatred can happen in any country regardless of gun laws. But this 18 year old was already on the Police radar :evil:



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Walter Hale 4 wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 3:36 am
Another american nutcase who managed to legally get hold of a firearm. Only this one was already on the local police Radar for almost one year :evil: :

Salient points:

Hochul said an AR-15 used in the shooting was purchased legally in a gun store...
in New York state but was modified with a high-capacity magazine, which is not legal in the state.

The suspected gunman had previously been on the radar of police, officials said.

As a student at Susquehanna Valley Central High School, he made a "generalized threat" in June 2021, Gramaglia said. The student was brought in for a mental health evaluation and was released after a day and a half, according to Gramaglia. The threat was not racially motivated, he added.


Earlier Sunday, Hochul said on ABC's "This Week" that the suspect had previously been under surveillance with medical authorities related to "something he wrote in high school."


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/15/us/buffalo-supermarket-shooting-sunday/index.html


and this !


" attack bears similarities to a number of mass shootings in recent years that were motivated by hate and intended to be seen online, including the shootings at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, in 2019."


Based on the above, you cannot say "look at that, yet another mass shooting in America" because such racial hatred can happen in any country regardless of gun laws. But this 18 year old was already on the Police radar :evil:
Based on that you CAN say yet another mass shooting in America - because racial hatred might be everywhere...but firearms are not. Yes, there were shootings in New Zealand in 2019. They were terror attacks, and were the first mass shootings in New Zealand since 1997. There were over 200 mass shootings in America in the first four months of this year alone. One incident in New Zealand in 2019, 22 years after the last, has nothing whatsoever to do with what goes on in America.


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Walter Hale 4 wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 3:36 am
Based on the above, you cannot say "look at that, yet another mass shooting in America" because such racial hatred can happen in any country regardless of gun laws...
I don't know if you're quoting someone but that's a ridiculous statement.



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elvis-fan wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 5:15 am
Walter Hale 4 wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 3:36 am
Based on the above, you cannot say "look at that, yet another mass shooting in America" because such racial hatred can happen in any country regardless of gun laws...
I don't know if you're quoting someone Nope but that's a ridiculous statement. No it's not.
what i meant was hatred can break out in any country regardless of any gun laws, including violence. My bad as i wasn't specific on that point.
And not only to the coloured and religious communities etc.

The suspect 18 year old had to be carrying a lifetime of racial hatred. And where was his parents before and during this horrific ordeal? They had to have have been aware the boy was mentally challenged. These are questions the police there would have to ask of the parents. Another thing? Could the boys Father or Mother have been a racist and possibly raised the son to be likewise? Again,another question that needs to be asked.



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Walter Hale 4 wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 5:45 am
elvis-fan wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 5:15 am
Walter Hale 4 wrote:
Mon May 16, 2022 3:36 am
Based on the above, you cannot say "look at that, yet another mass shooting in America" because such racial hatred can happen in any country regardless of gun laws...
I don't know if you're quoting someone Nope but that's a ridiculous statement. No it's not.
what i meant was hatred can break out in any country regardless of any gun laws, including violence. My bad as i wasn't specific on that point.
And not only to the coloured and religious communities etc.

The suspect 18 year old had to be carrying a lifetime of racial hatred. And where was his parents before and during this horrific ordeal? They had to have have been aware the boy was mentally challenged. These are questions the police there would have to ask of the parents. Another thing? Could the boys Father or Mother have been a racist and possibly raised the son to be likewise? Again,another question that needs to be asked.
Racial hatred can happen anywhere. But you can't shoot people if you can't get hold of a gun.


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And now another dozen elementary school kids and a teacher have been killed.

And still the gun laws won't be changed.

How exactly can a country of well-educated people be so stupid?


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Another 18 year old. You have to wonder where the hell were his parents and how someone so young in america was able to get hold of the firearms. Did the weapon belong to any of his parents?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61573377



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Biden certainly didn't mince his words. An 18 year old can buy an automatic rifle, but not an alcoholic drink.


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Those poor children and their families. The lack of gun control laws in the US is mind-bogglingly stupid.


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Comment MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell : " Being Murdered In School Is A Uniquely American Way Of Death."


According to Education Week USA online "there has been 27 school shootings this year so far."
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2022/01


Condolences to the mourning families, relatives and friends of the deceased over in Texas.



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Unfortunately the NRA is too strong in the US to get anything done regarding firearms. Their thinking has always been "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".

The famous 'Right to bear arms' is in the constitution, and no one it seems can touch that. Any laws that would appear to prevent someone form owning a firearm could be viewed as 'unconstitutional' and would not pass through Congress. The NRA has many members in Congress.

No President can fix this alone. Congress have to get together (Democrats and Republicans) and that is unlikely to happen.

My thoughts and prayers are with the families. Another senseless massacre.


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Now, there are questions (and rightly so) being asked on the local Texas Police actions reportedly took an hour to respond to the gunman before he was killed.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61600914




"...police being urged by onlookers and desperate family members to storm the building immediately.

A father whose daughter died in the attack told the Associated Press news agency he had considered running into the school with bystanders out of frustration at the police response.


One mother told the Wall Street Journal that she was briefly handcuffed, accused of impeding a police investigation, after demanding along with other parents that officers storm the building. Angeli Rose Gomez said she saw one frantic father thrown to the ground by an officer, another father pepper-sprayed and a third who was later tased.

"The police were doing nothing," said Ms Gomez, who was eventually released before she said she jumped over the school fence and ran inside to rescue her two children. "They [the police] were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere."


there's also this one :

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/uvalde-school-shooting-police-response/



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Note : This thread title has been altered by myself.

What follows is article on the New York racist boy's father and mother worth a read:

Parents of Buffalo supermarket mass shooting suspect interviewed by feds

Federal agents interviewed the parents of the white 18-year-old accused of shooting and killing 10 people at a Buffalo supermarket and served multiple search warrants, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press on Sunday.

Federal authorities were still working to confirm the authenticity of a 180-page manifesto that was posted online, which detailed the plot and identified Payton Gendron by name as the gunman, the official said. Authorities say the shooting was motivated by racial hatred.

Gendron’s parents were cooperating with investigators, the official said. The official was not authorized to discuss details of the investigation into the Saturday afternoon shooting publicly and spoke to AP on condition of anonymity.

A preliminary investigation found Gendron had repeatedly visited sites espousing white supremacist ideologies and race-based conspiracy theories and extensively researched the 2019 mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand, and the man who killed dozens at a summer camp in Norway in 2011, the official said.

It wasn’t immediately clear why Gendron had traveled about 200 miles from his home in Conklin, New York to Buffalo and that particular grocery store, but investigators believe Gendron had specifically researched the demographics of the population around the Tops Friendly Market and had been searching for communities with a high number of African American residents, the official said. The market is located in a predominantly Black neighborhood.

“It’s just too much. I’m trying to bear witness but it’s just too much. You can’t even go to the damn store in peace,” Buffalo resident Yvonne Woodard told the AP. “It’s just crazy.”

In a Sunday interview with ABC, Buffalo Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia said that Gendron had been in town “at least the day before.”

“It seems that he had come here to scope out the area, to do a little reconnaissance work on the area before he carried out his just evil, sickening act,” Gramaglia said.

Police said Gendron shot, in total, 11 Black people and two white people Saturday in a rampage that the 18-year-old broadcast live before surrendering to authorities. Screenshots purporting to be from the Twitch broadcast appear to show a racial epithet scrawled on the rifle used in the attack, as well as the number 14, a likely reference to a white supremacist slogan.\

“We pray for their families. But after we pray — after we get up off of our knees — we’ve got to demand change. We’ve got to demand justice,” state Attorney General Letitia James said an emotional church service in Buffalo on Sunday morning. “This was domestic terrorism, plain and simple.”

Among the dead was security guard Aaron Salter — a retired Buffalo police officer — who fired multiple shots at Gendron, Gramaglia said Saturday. A bullet hit the gunman’s armor, but had no effect. Gendron then killed Salter, before hunting more victims.

“He cared about the community. He looked after the store,” Yvette Mack, who had shopped at Tops earlier Saturday, said of Salter. “He did a good job you know. He was very nice and respectable.”

Also killed was Ruth Whitfield, 86, the mother of retired Buffalo Fire Commissioner Garnell Whitfield.

Buffalo Mayor Byron Brown told churchgoers that he saw the former fire official at the shooting scene Saturday, looking for his mother.

“My mother had just gone to see my father, as she does every day, in the nursing home and stopped at the Tops to buy just a few groceries. And nobody has heard from her,” Whitfield told the mayor then. She was confirmed as a victim later in the day, Brown said.

Katherine Massey, who had gone to the store to pick up some groceries, also was killed, according to the Buffalo News. The names of the rest of the victims hadn’t been released.

Twitch said in a statement that it ended Gendron’s transmission “less than two minutes after the violence started.”

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Buffalo native, called for the tech industry to take responsibility for their role in propagating hate speech in a Sunday interview with ABC.

“The CEOs of those companies need to be held accountable and assure all of us that they’re taking every step humanly possible to be able to monitor this information. How these depraved ideas are fermenting on social media – it’s spreading like a virus now,” she said, adding that a lack of oversight could lead to others emulating the shooter.

The mass shooting further unsettled a nation wracked with racial tensions, gun violence and a spate of hate crimes. A day before, Dallas police had said they were investigating shootings in the city’s Koreatown as hate crimes. The Buffalo attack came just a month after a shooting on a Brooklyn subway wounded 10 and just over a year after 10 were killed in a shooting at a Colorado supermarket.

Gendron, confronted by police in the store’s vestibule, put a rifle to his neck but was convinced to drop it. He was arraigned later Saturday on a murder charge, appearing before a judge in a paper gown.

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/news/2022/05/15/parents-of-buffalo-supermarket-mass-shooting-suspect-interviewed-by-feds



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Pink&Black wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 11:20 am
Reading about the timeline of the Uvalde school shooting is heartbreaking. Children were making desperate 911 calls yet the police waited outside the classroom?! It took 90 minutes from the first 911 call to the shooter finally taken down. It makes me furious and I am half a world away, I can't imagine the rage parents, who have lost their child, must feel. The horror experienced by the surviving children is unfathomable and what about wounded kids that might have been saved? Let's hope this has at least consequences for those in charge who failed to act.
I know and respect what you are saying on the one level, but the Police taking so long to respond,was , a fluid situation and is under investigation at this time. Let's wait and see whatever unfolds from the investigation(s).



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This is a wonderful gesture under the heartbreaking circumstances:

Texas school shooting: Anonymous donor offers to pay funeral costs for the 21 killed

An anonymous donor has offered to pay for the funeral costs for the 19 children and two adults killed during Tuesday's school shooting in Texas.

As the nation continues to mourn the tragic events that occurred in Uvalde, Texas, on May 24, a generous donor has offered a financial reprieve for the families affected.

Full story here...

https://vt.co/news/uk/texas-school-shooting-anonymous-donor-offers-to-pay-funeral-costs-for-the-21-killed



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conversely there was also another shooting incident.

Police: Woman with pistol killed man who shot at crowd of people in Charleston



Police said a woman who was lawfully carrying a pistol shot and killed a man who began shooting at a crowd of people Wednesday night in Charleston.

Dennis Butler was killed after allegedly shooting at dozens of people attending a graduation party Wednesday near the Vista View Apartment complex. No injuries were reported from those at the party.

Investigators said Butler was warned about speeding in the area with children present before he left. He later returned with an AR-15-style firearm and began firing into the crowd before he was shot and killed.

“Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives last night,” Charleston Police Department Chief of Detectives Tony Hazelett said.

Officers did not go into detail, but said Butler did have an extensive criminal history.

Hazelett said no charges will be filed against the woman.

UPDATED, 7:07 a.m. 05/26/22

Charleston police said a man who was shot late Wednesday night has died.

During the investigation, police said investigators learned Dennis Butler was approached earlier in the night about him speeding in the Vista View Apartment complex while children were playing.

Butler then left the complex, but later returned, parked in front of the 1300 Renaissance Circle complex and pulled an AR 15-style rifle.

Police said Butler fired his weapon at people attending a birthday or graduation party.

A bystander at the party quickly drew their weapon and fired at Dennis Butler, fatally wounding him.

No one else was injured.

Several witnesses waited for police to arrive and fully cooperated with the investigation.

https://wchstv.com/news/local/victim-hospitalized-in-charleston-shooting

Yet , as it stands today, 19 armed police officers in Uvalde ,Texas refused to enter a building to save children !



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An 18-year-old can buy a semi-auto killing machine - what is wrong with the US? I know Biden will try to do something but the pathetic NRA and gun-loving Republicans will block it and we'll be here in a few months again debating gun control.



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rickeap wrote:
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An 18-year-old can buy a semi-auto killing machine - what is wrong with the US? I know Biden will try to do something but the pathetic NRA and gun-loving Republicans will block it and we'll be here in a few months again debating gun control.
Agreed. But is it across all 50 plus states in the U.S. where any 18 year old can buy weapons or just a few ? Never been to that part of the world.



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Now there's a report over a 10-year-old boy, has reportedly been threatening to shoot at his school :

Parents of this (and any other) little boy should be held responsible. No child at that age should be as far as i'm concerned. Where the hell are the parents of this boy and how are they bringing him up? :evil:



https://www.wionews.com/world/florida-police-arrest-10-year-old-boy-for-alleged-mass-shooting-threat-after-texas-massacre-483797




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rickeap wrote:
Sun May 29, 2022 2:23 pm
An 18-year-old can buy a semi-auto killing machine - what is wrong with the US? I know Biden will try to do something but the pathetic NRA and gun-loving Republicans will block it and we'll be here in a few months again debating gun control.
I think it's fair to say that the Republicans don't necessarily love guns, but they love the millions of dollars that the NRA pay them to buy their conscience.

And still I find perfectly intelligent people online and social media telling me that the way forward is to arm teachers. Clearly they haven't thought that a teacher could potentially be a shooter, too. Somebody told me it's not the guns, it's mental health conditions that aren't picked up or dealt with. Well, in the UK we have a crap mental health service these days, and yet we haven't had a school shooting since 1996 - the one that tennis player Andy Murray was involved in and spoke about yesterday. The one prior to that was 1850. True, we do have more knife crime than we would like, but it's difficult to kill 20 people with a knife in a minute.

In short, the rest of the world looks at the USA regarding guns and the only thing we think is: WTF? Or, to put it another way, how can a country of educated people be so f***ing stupid.


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UPDATE There's been a new development in the Uvalde police slow response probe. The Police WILL NOT be cooperating -




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Unfortunately, there's been aother mass shooting:

At least 4 dead, multiple people injured in shooting at Tulsa, Oklahoma, medical building according to Police.

There are mental health issues everywhere (Canada, Australia, United Kingdom, etc...) but no country comes close to the many mass shootings happening in the US.


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