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Absolutely, the song kicks ass and it's a downright shame that these secular sessions never got a proper release during that '67 era before the "Comeback", when he so needed it.midnightx on Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:10 pm wrote:Definitely a quality track, one of those few forgotten gems lost in the mid-late 1960's soundtrack era. Sadly, it was not part of a secular, non-soundtrack studio album that he so badly needed during that era.
Not only was management not in the mindset to release a non-soundtrack, secular commercial album circa 1967, but there was not enough material available at one time to do so. While Jarvis certainly injected some much needed life into Elvis' secular session work, he was unable to focus Elvis' attention towards completing a full-length album of material. So, any relevant, viable results that Elvis and Jarvis completed in the studio were quickly overlooked and/or forgotten.minkahed on Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:50 am wrote:Absolutely, the song kicks ass and it's a downright shame that these secular sessions never got a proper release during that '67 era before the "Comeback", when he so needed it.midnightx on Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:10 pm wrote:Definitely a quality track, one of those few forgotten gems lost in the mid-late 1960's soundtrack era. Sadly, it was not part of a secular, non-soundtrack studio album that he so badly needed during that era.
The single 45rpm of "Guitar Man", b/w "Hi Heel Sneakers" was a stellar release.
The "How Great Thou Art" album is a full album masterpiece. That is not and has ever been a producers job. To focus attention. No one did that with Elvis. No one. Not even Sam Phillips. He just let the kid sing. And then guided him to a master take.midnightx on Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:17 pm wrote:Not only was management not in the mindset to release a non-soundtrack, secular commercial album circa 1967, but there was not enough material available at one time to do so. While Jarvis certainly injected some much needed life into Elvis' secular session work, he was unable to focus Elvis' attention towards completing a full-length album of material. So, any relevant, viable results that Elvis and Jarvis completed in the studio were quickly overlooked and/or forgotten.minkahed on Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:50 am wrote:Absolutely, the song kicks ass and it's a downright shame that these secular sessions never got a proper release during that '67 era before the "Comeback", when he so needed it.midnightx on Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:10 pm wrote:Definitely a quality track, one of those few forgotten gems lost in the mid-late 1960's soundtrack era. Sadly, it was not part of a secular, non-soundtrack studio album that he so badly needed during that era.
The single 45rpm of "Guitar Man", b/w "Hi Heel Sneakers" was a stellar release.
Yes, the HGTA is a great album -- but if you read more carefully, you will see that I was referring to secular recordings from the 1967 time period. You can defend Jarvis all you like, but the reality is that a primary role of a producer is "to focus attention" towards a vision, towards a finished product. You overlook that key function because Jarvis rarely focused Elvis' attention in the studio. He called out takes, encouraged him with "it's a gas," and simply tried to get him to record as many as songs as possible with little-to-no direction. Jarvis provided no vision. He was a glorified cheerleader. And to top it off, he took the masters and poured MOR schmaltz post-production all over the recordings, usually drowning out any magic or authenticity.Juan Luis on Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:40 pm wrote:The "How Great Thou Art" album is a full album masterpiece. That is not and has ever been a producers job. To focus attention. No one did that with Elvis. No one. Not even Sam Phillips. He just let the kid sing. And then guided him to a master take.midnightx on Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:17 pm wrote:Not only was management not in the mindset to release a non-soundtrack, secular commercial album circa 1967, but there was not enough material available at one time to do so. While Jarvis certainly injected some much needed life into Elvis' secular session work, he was unable to focus Elvis' attention towards completing a full-length album of material. So, any relevant, viable results that Elvis and Jarvis completed in the studio were quickly overlooked and/or forgotten.minkahed on Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:50 am wrote:Absolutely, the song kicks ass and it's a downright shame that these secular sessions never got a proper release during that '67 era before the "Comeback", when he so needed it.midnightx on Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:10 pm wrote:Definitely a quality track, one of those few forgotten gems lost in the mid-late 1960's soundtrack era. Sadly, it was not part of a secular, non-soundtrack studio album that he so badly needed during that era.
The single 45rpm of "Guitar Man", b/w "Hi Heel Sneakers" was a stellar release.
Recordings are recordings. And HGTA is a legitimate album anyway you look at it. It counts. A lot of work done there. Great work by all involved, especially ELVIS. What direction with Moman or anyone? Feb 1969 was all RCA chosen material. You know that. Don't pretend or ignore you do not.midnightx on Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:11 pm wrote:Yes, the HGTA is a great album -- but if you read more carefully, you will see that I was referring to secular recordings from the 1967 time period. You can defend Jarvis all you like, but the reality is that a primary role of a producer is "to focus attention" towards a vision, towards a finished product. You overlook that key function because Jarvis rarely focused Elvis' attention in the studio. He called out takes, encouraged him with "it's a gas," and simply tried to get him to record as many as songs as possible with little-to-no direction. Jarvis provided no vision. He was a glorified cheerleader. And to top it off, he took the masters and poured MOR schmaltz post-production all over the recordings, usually drowning out any magic or authenticity.Juan Luis on Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:40 pm wrote:The "How Great Thou Art" album is a full album masterpiece. That is not and has ever been a producers job. To focus attention. No one did that with Elvis. No one. Not even Sam Phillips. He just let the kid sing. And then guided him to a master take.midnightx on Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:17 pm wrote:Not only was management not in the mindset to release a non-soundtrack, secular commercial album circa 1967, but there was not enough material available at one time to do so. While Jarvis certainly injected some much needed life into Elvis' secular session work, he was unable to focus Elvis' attention towards completing a full-length album of material. So, any relevant, viable results that Elvis and Jarvis completed in the studio were quickly overlooked and/or forgotten.minkahed on Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:50 am wrote:Absolutely, the song kicks ass and it's a downright shame that these secular sessions never got a proper release during that '67 era before the "Comeback", when he so needed it.midnightx on Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:10 pm wrote:Definitely a quality track, one of those few forgotten gems lost in the mid-late 1960's soundtrack era. Sadly, it was not part of a secular, non-soundtrack studio album that he so badly needed during that era.
The single 45rpm of "Guitar Man", b/w "Hi Heel Sneakers" was a stellar release.
Yes he is. I pm'ed with him once or twice. Very nice gentleman.poormadpeter2 on Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:49 pm wrote:LTB is very much missed.
Or perhaps my response to LTB was more accurate:Juan Luis on Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:17 pm wrote:It was refreshing for me to discover posts I hadn't read until recently. On the same page. He was right.
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60045#p891430
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60045#p891458
midnightx wrote:Do you really think Elvis believed that was his "then best music?" The recording sessions lacked direction and vision. Jarvis ran the sessions as producer and Elvis' A&R representative. His role in these fragmented, directionless ordeals should not be diminished. Jarvis came into the sessions with an arm-full of material with no cohesive link. Elvis was just laying down vocals on a wide range of material, much of it mediocre. He lost interest because there was nothing to work towards. Recording sessions meant nothing. There was nothing fulfilling about the process -- and some of the blame has to go to Jarvis since he ran and orchestrated the sessions. The fact that he exerted so little control and yielded so little respect from his star speaks volumes. Yes, we can all commend his role in getting Elvis to record Burning Love or the How Great Thou Art sessions, but after 1970, he doesn’t deserve the praise you continue to heap on him.
What, your history rewrite? Okay....Juan Luis on Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:51 pm wrote:No. He defended his view well. And independently he was 99% with my views about this...and with extra credit for him, cause he did not have the information we have today.
Quoting Jorgensen interviews and book, Guralnick book, and Keith Flynn's website, is more than enough evidence brought forth. New found facts discovered, amend the historical record. That's the way it is.midnightx on Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:00 am wrote:What, your history rewrite? Okay....Juan Luis on Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:51 pm wrote:No. He defended his view well. And independently he was 99% with my views about this...and with extra credit for him, cause he did not have the information we have today.
I don't care who he defended and who he didnt. My point was that be made his arguments with intelligence, style and flair, and without insult or condescension. All are attributes that are missing far too often in this forum and, indeed, in many other debating platforms. LTB's passing was all our loss.brian on Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:02 am wrote:likethebike was also a defender and a champion of Felton Jarvis. I don't know why but he was. Several people disagreed with what he had to say about that including me.