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Milkcow Blues Boogie - surprising origins

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This is what David Neale writes on his fantastic site Elvis Originals, http://davidneale.eu/elvis/originals/list6.html#S1373 :
Milkcow Blues Boogie
Recorded by Elvis on Friday, 10 December 1954;

Written by: Arnold
Originally recorded by James Kokomo Arnold in 1934 (as Milk Cow Blues)
Hear Elvis's version on: The Sun Sessions CD; The Complete 50's Masters 1


For the writer of "Milk Cow Blues," some sources list "Traditional," presumably meaning they don't know, others indicate Sleepy John Estes, and still others give Kokomo Arnold himself the credit. The song of the same title by Sleepy John Estes is a completely different number, so he, at least, can be eliminated. Arnold's own original recording, made on 10 September, 1934, and released on Decca 7026 (blue label "race" series) that same year, lists Arnold himself as the sole writer.

Certainly not traditional was Elvis's breaking into the number after a few seconds to announce, "Hold it fellahs. That don't move me — let's get real, real gone for a change," before increasing the tempo, with Scotty and Bill tagging along. Anyone who thinks that Elvis copied other artists recordings in order to break into the business has clearly not listened to Elvis's early renditions. His own version of this song, for example, bears little resemblance to Kokomo Arnold's original. Rather, it seems to indicate that Elvis had listened to thousands of pieces, some of which had left traces somewhere in his memory, traces he used to create something very different.

The last sentence of this quote can be applied to Arnold as well. This afternoon I found out that some words in Milkcow Blues Boogie resemble a complete verse of the song "My Black Mama - Part 1" quite a bit. My Black Mama is a song recorded by Son House on May 28,1930 in Grafton, Wisconsin.


In Milk Cow Blues we hear:

Well, if you've seen my milk cow
Please ride her on home
I ain't had no milk or butter
Since that cow's been gone



In My Black Mama - Part 1, verse 5:

Well, you see my milk cow, tell her hurry home
I aint had no milk since that cow been gone,
If you see my milk cow, tell her hurry home,
Yeah, I aint had no milk since that cow been gone.



And also the style of the song has some similarities:

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(Around 1:51 the fifth verse begins)


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version 2, 1935:
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Lyric wise it looks like Elvis got most of his inspiration from Arnold's 1935 version. But his howls resemble more of the first. Kokomo Arnold also recorded Milk Cow Blues No. 3, 4 and 5 by the way. But I couldn't find any examples of those. Might be interesting to learn if he made some rhythmic changes in one of those versions as well. Just like Elvis did.


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But it looks like Son House was not the only inspiration for Kokomo Arnold. On this site: http://www.originals.be/nl/originals/4175 I learned that Big Bill Broonzy covered Milk Cow Blues from Arnold. But looking at the recording dates on another site I found out that Big Bill Broonzy recorded his version already on March 23, 1934 in Chicago(!) That was six months before Arnold recorded his version! Broonzy's version was released on May 16, 1934. Arnold recorded his version in Chicago, Illinois, on September 10, 1934.


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"Well I woke up this morning..."
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And what about this version, from 1941. It were these lyrics Elvis used as well:
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It looks lik this one was more of influence on Elvis, than Kokomo Arnold's version.


1946 - with spoken intro and a kinda dialogue...
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1948 - O those howls!
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Remarkable
The first sentence of Arnold's Milk Cow Blues No 1 (1934) is "All in good morning, I said, blues how do you do", while the first sentence of the Son House song Walking Blues (1930) is ""Good morning blues, blues how do you do". In Milk Cow Blues No 2 the opening sentence is different. More like we know it from Elvis.



Sources
http://bluesdust.freehostia.com/component/content/article/13-m/136-my-black-mama-part-1-a-2-son-house.html
http://www.originals.be/nl/originals/4175
https://www.discogs.com/Big-Bill-Milk-Cow-Blues-Bull-Cow-Blues-Part-2/release/4854408

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Posted this information a few years back:

For Elvis, Scotty and Bill, "Milkcow Blues Boogie" primarily derives from two recordings, one blues, the other country:

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Kokomo Arnold "Milk Cow Blues" (Decca 48000, November 1946)
Note: this single, the one Elvis heard, is a reissue of the original 1934 release, Decca 7026.



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(2)

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Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys "Brain Cloudy Blues" (Columbia 37313, May 1947)



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In Milk Cow Blues we hear:

Well, if you've seen my milk cow
Please ride her on home
I ain't had no milk or butter
Since that cow's been gone


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I believe the lyrics are:

"Well, if you've seen my milk cow
Please DRIVE her on home
I ain't had no milk or butter
Since that cow's been gone."

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Yeah cattle are driven, horses are ridden.



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Kokomo Arnold recorded the song several times:


1 - 10-09-34 - Decca 7060;
2 - 18-01-35 - Decca 7059;
3 - 11-09-35 - Decca 7116;
4 - 11-09-35 - Decca 7163.


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colonel snow wrote:Kokomo Arnold recorded the song several times:


1 - 10-09-34 - Decca 7060;
2 - 18-01-35 - Decca 7059;
3 - 11-09-35 - Decca 7116;
4 - 11-09-35 - Decca 7163.


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MysteryTrain wrote:
I believe the lyrics are:

"Well, if you've seen my milk cow
Please DRIVE her on home
I ain't had no milk or butter
Since that cow's been gone."

MT

I don't have the sheet music, but I saw this:
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Guess the composer meant something like this:

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drjohncarpenter wrote:Posted this information a few years back:

For Elvis, Scotty and Bill, "Milkcow Blues Boogie" primarily derives from two recordings, one blues, the other country:

(1)

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Kokomo Arnold "Milk Cow Blues" (Decca 48000, November 1946)
Note: this single, the one Elvis heard, is a reissue of the original 1934 release, Decca 7026.



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(2)

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Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys "Brain Cloudy Blues" (Columbia 37313, May 1947)



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Many of Elvis' Sun recordings found their inspiration from his adolescent listening habits.

Lucky us, lucky world.

Thanks. Same info we get when following the mentioned link in my OP:
But it looks like Son House was not the only inspiration for Kokomo Arnold. On this site: http://www.originals.be/nl/originals/4175 I learned that Big Bill Broonzy covered Milk Cow Blues from Arnold. But looking at the recording dates on another site I found out that Big Bill Broonzy recorded his version already on March 23, 1934 in Chicago(!) That was six months before Arnold recorded his version! Broonzy's version was released on May 16, 1934. Arnold recorded his version in Chicago, Illinois, on September 10, 1934.

When you follow that link you can turn the language into English by clicking on EN (upper right corner of the screen). English link: http://www.originals.be/en/originals/4175

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Fyi: this was my last bigger post here on FECC. It's just not worth the effort anymore.

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MikeFromHolland wrote:.


Fyi: this was my last bigger post here on FECC. It's just not worth the effort anymore.

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It's the curse of Milkcow Blues Boogie, Mike. Last time I tackled it, we had members getting all in a tizzy, posts edited, posts deleted and me being suspended. Here's what's left of it:

http://elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=91400&start=25

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mike edwards66 wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:.


Fyi: this was my last bigger post here on FECC. It's just not worth the effort anymore.

:smt006

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It's the curse of Milkcow Blues Boogie, Mike. Last time I tackled it, we had members getting all in a tizzy, posts edited, posts deleted and me being suspended. Here's what's left of it:

http://elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=91400&start=25

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Haha! What a love fest. :)




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I have no idea why people are reading MikefromHolland's post and then going on about the version by Kokomo Arnold. The whole point of the opening post is to demonstrate that elements of the song pre-date that recording from 1934 or 1935.

What I don't understand is that people have commented on the opening post, not only without reading it, but clearly not even bothered to listen to the 1930 song on the video either - because no-one has noticed it's the wrong video. The words do appear in Black Mama part I, but the video posted must be a different version as it doesn't contain those lyrics. However, the following video does, so you might want to edit the opening post.

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This, no doubt, is a fine example of people wanting to muscle in on a topic, paying little attention to what's written, and then not bothering to listen to the videos either!

However, I would suggest that David Neale would be interested in the findings, Mike, and it would certainly be worth your while emailing him or private messaging him, as I think he is on here.




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MikeFromHolland wrote:.


Fyi: this was my last bigger post here on FECC. It's just not worth the effort anymore.

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Yes it is worth it. I know how time consuming it is. Your excellent posts add positively to the forum. Always. Get back on the saddle soon! :)



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Although not a favorite for some, I've always enjoyed Elvis' rockabilly SUN recording of the song... it's a classic in my book!!!
Thanks for the post, Mike!


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Thanks, Mike. Your opening post is outstanding and, combined with George Smith's one about "That's All Right", it reminds us of how, at his very best, Elvis was a great instinctive performer who was easily able to drew on the tons of music that were stored in his brain. Jerry Lee Lewis was (is !) another such artist.

"Milkcow Blues Boogie", as heard on Sun 215, is one of my favourite records ever, not just by Elvis, but by anybody. Simply put, it's one-of-a-kind.

And it's a great pity that no outtakes have survived from that session, so we could witness the recording process of this masterpiece.

Please, give me a few days to soak up all the stuff in your post. :)

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Thanks, guys! Good to learn there still are people actually reading an OP :smt023 .

And thank you for the feedback about the video poormadpeter2. Don't know what went wrong with posting, but it's fixed now.

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Juan Luis wrote:
mike edwards66 wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:.


Fyi: this was my last bigger post here on FECC. It's just not worth the effort anymore.

:smt006

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It's the curse of Milkcow Blues Boogie, Mike. Last time I tackled it, we had members getting all in a tizzy, posts edited, posts deleted and me being suspended. Here's what's left of it:

http://elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=91400&start=25

Ha!
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A quip from you is worth its weight in gold. Ha!


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MikeFromHolland wrote:.


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Sorry to hear that, Mike. The ol' forum is going badly downhill these days.



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1:28 to 1:54 is one of the coolest vocal passages that Elvis recorded in the early days. Anyone who thinks that Elvis didn't have a natural affinity for this style of music should listen to those 26 seconds. He was absolutely not just a ballad singer.


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Any responses to this info?
BIG BILL BROONZY
But it looks like Son House was not the only inspiration for Kokomo Arnold. On this site: http://www.originals.be/nl/originals/4175 I learned that Big Bill Broonzy covered Milk Cow Blues from Arnold. But looking at the recording dates on another site I found out that Big Bill Broonzy recorded his version already on March 23, 1934 in Chicago(!) That was six months before Arnold recorded his version! Broonzy's version was released on May 16, 1934. Arnold recorded his version in Chicago, Illinois, on September 10, 1934.

The "original" Milk Cow Blues isn't from Kokomo Arnold (September 10, 1934), but from Big Bill Broonzy (March 23, 1934) so it seems:
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As far as early blues, claiming authorship can be a matter of semantics.


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