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midnightx wrote:
Scarre wrote:I wonder...how can you force your boss...or anyone for that matter...to do something that they have no interest in, or don't want to do?

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Jarvis had Elvis at Graceland twice -- a skilled producer can encourage, compel, and inspire an artist to commit to the recording process when they are physically together in the recording environment. Apparently you are not aware of how skilled producers operate. There are a number of Jarvis enthusiasts on this forum who continue to assert that Jarvis was great and great for Elvis, yet he often failed to get results. It is not all on Elvis. Yes, Elvis walked out of Nashville in January (a session that would not have been necessary had Jarvis done his job in 1976 at Graceland), but again, Jarvis never went to management or RCA to get Elvis to recommit, he quietly recorded parts of concerts during the spring of 1977 desperately hoping that Elvis might perform something unique that he could use -- he did not even have the competence to go to Elvis as a collaborator and explain the need for a few new songs to fill out the album he was helping Elvis make as Elvis' staff producer. The guy clearly did not deliver and was in way over his head with a challenging, uninspired artist.
I hope you don't include me in the "Jarvis enthusiasts" group. I have several times said that I don't consider him being a great producer. He did what he could, he did ok.

You clearly have no experience with people who has a drug addiction, if you would, you would not say the things you just said.
It's a horrible condition...doesn't matter if it was Jarvis, Sam or Chips...
He was ill...very ill. Still, he did manage to do good work with material he chose.



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Scarre wrote: You clearly have no experience with people who has a drug addiction, if you would, you would not say the things you just said.
It's a horrible condition...doesn't matter if it was Jarvis, Sam or Chips...
He was ill...very ill. Still, he did manage to do good work with material he chose.
One does not have to be a substance abuse counselor to understand what was going on with Elvis and the parties around him. That said, there were a large number of recording artists from the 1970's who abused various substances who worked with skilled producers who were able to get the artist to focus and commit to recording projects. Jarvis simply never had that sort of control, command, and influence over his recording artist and associated sessions. Additionally, Jarvis, like Dr. Nick and others, received all sorts of benefits from Elvis, and were put in a position where they became largely subservient. At that point, Jarvis became completely powerless and ineffective, and no longer could be an authoritative figure in the studio (assuming he ever had the capability with Elvis to begin with).



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midnightx wrote:...but again, Jarvis never went to management or RCA to get Elvis to recommit, he quietly recorded parts of concerts during the spring of 1977 desperately hoping that Elvis might perform something unique that he could use
Is this fact? Do we know for sure that Jarvis did not complain to RCA or anyone else in management?
Or was he an employee of Elvis?

midnightx wrote:... he did not even have the competence to go to Elvis as a collaborator and explain the need for a few new songs to fill out the album he was helping Elvis make as Elvis' staff producer.
Is this fact? Elvis once stated at a concert that "Unchained Melody" will be out soon on an album called "Unchained Melody".
Did Felton not discuss with Elvis that he was recording?

midnightx wrote:... The guy clearly did not deliver and was in way over his head with a challenging, uninspired artist.
Agree. He, and many others, should have walked away from Elvis to send a clear signal that this is unacceptable.


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midnightx wrote:
Scarre wrote: You clearly have no experience with people who has a drug addiction, if you would, you would not say the things you just said.
It's a horrible condition...doesn't matter if it was Jarvis, Sam or Chips...
He was ill...very ill. Still, he did manage to do good work with material he chose.
One does not have to be a substance abuse counselor to understand what was going on with Elvis and the parties around him. That said, there were a large number of recording artists from the 1970's who abused various substances who worked with skilled producers who were able to get the artist to focus and commit to recording projects. Jarvis simply never had that sort of control, command, and influence over his recording artist and associated sessions. Additionally, Jarvis, like Dr. Nick and others, received all sorts of benefits from Elvis, and were put in a position where they became largely subservient. At that point, Jarvis became completely powerless and ineffective, and no longer could be an authoritative figure in the studio (assuming he ever had the capability with Elvis to begin with).
As I said, I do not consider him a great producer, he did as much as he could.
Sure, there was "a large number of recording artists" that had problems with drugs.

How many of them, would you say, was near death as many times as EP? That's how deep down he was...



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IMO what counts is the music...and Moody Blue is a great and varied album...whoever did it..and I dont care about names....did a good job...nice compilation..of live and studio tracks..


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Ciscoking wrote:IMO what counts is the music...and Moody Blue is a great and varied album...whoever did it..and I dont care about names....did a good job...nice compilation..of live and studio tracks..
Agreed. I'm in it for the music. Couldn't care less if anyone thinks different...or don't like the songs I do.




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Scarre wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Scarre wrote:I wonder...how can you force your boss...or anyone for that matter...to do something that they have no interest in, or don't want to do?

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Jarvis had Elvis at Graceland twice -- a skilled producer can encourage, compel, and inspire an artist to commit to the recording process when they are physically together in the recording environment. Apparently you are not aware of how skilled producers operate. There are a number of Jarvis enthusiasts on this forum who continue to assert that Jarvis was great and great for Elvis, yet he often failed to get results. It is not all on Elvis. Yes, Elvis walked out of Nashville in January (a session that would not have been necessary had Jarvis done his job in 1976 at Graceland), but again, Jarvis never went to management or RCA to get Elvis to recommit, he quietly recorded parts of concerts during the spring of 1977 desperately hoping that Elvis might perform something unique that he could use -- he did not even have the competence to go to Elvis as a collaborator and explain the need for a few new songs to fill out the album he was helping Elvis make as Elvis' staff producer. The guy clearly did not deliver and was in way over his head with a challenging, uninspired artist.
I hope you don't include me in the "Jarvis enthusiasts" group. I have several times said that I don't consider him being a great producer. He did what he could, he did ok.

You clearly have no experience with people who has a drug addiction, if you would, you would not say the things you just said.
It's a horrible condition...doesn't matter if it was Jarvis, Sam or Chips...
He was ill...very ill. Still, he did manage to do good work with material he chose.
Exactly. And what was Jarvis (or any producer on the planet) going to do? Go up the stairs and pound on his door to come down and record? Incredible ignorance in 2017 related to addiction. Incredible.




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Juan Luis wrote:
Scarre wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Scarre wrote:I wonder...how can you force your boss...or anyone for that matter...to do something that they have no interest in, or don't want to do?

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Jarvis had Elvis at Graceland twice -- a skilled producer can encourage, compel, and inspire an artist to commit to the recording process when they are physically together in the recording environment. Apparently you are not aware of how skilled producers operate. There are a number of Jarvis enthusiasts on this forum who continue to assert that Jarvis was great and great for Elvis, yet he often failed to get results. It is not all on Elvis. Yes, Elvis walked out of Nashville in January (a session that would not have been necessary had Jarvis done his job in 1976 at Graceland), but again, Jarvis never went to management or RCA to get Elvis to recommit, he quietly recorded parts of concerts during the spring of 1977 desperately hoping that Elvis might perform something unique that he could use -- he did not even have the competence to go to Elvis as a collaborator and explain the need for a few new songs to fill out the album he was helping Elvis make as Elvis' staff producer. The guy clearly did not deliver and was in way over his head with a challenging, uninspired artist.
I hope you don't include me in the "Jarvis enthusiasts" group. I have several times said that I don't consider him being a great producer. He did what he could, he did ok.

You clearly have no experience with people who has a drug addiction, if you would, you would not say the things you just said.
It's a horrible condition...doesn't matter if it was Jarvis, Sam or Chips...
He was ill...very ill. Still, he did manage to do good work with material he chose.
Exactly. And what was Jarvis (or any producer on the planet) going to do? Go up the stairs and pound on his door to come down and record? Incredible ignorance in 2017 related to addiction. Incredible.
Ain't that the truth.




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midnightx wrote:
Rockin_John wrote: When did you first hear the album?
Circa 1988
Rockin_John wrote:What was your initial thoughts?
I thought it was a very mixed, unbalanced album. Aside from “Pledging My Love,” I noticed the hits “Way Down” and “Moody Blue” were coupled alongside vastly inferior tracks. I thought “Little Darlin’” was cringe-worthy. The live Olivia Newton-John tracks seemed way beneath an artist of Elvis’ stature (and thought it was odd that the Memphis version of “Let Me Be There” was on the album). I did not find the country-influenced studio tracks overly compelling, although years later I grew to appreciate “She Thinks I Still Care” and “He’ll Have to Go.” I was surprised at how mediocre Elvis’ vocals were on “Unchained Melody.”
Rockin_John wrote:Were you aware of the conditions that it was made under when you first heard it?
Circa 1988, I was not aware of the conditions the album was made under during the 1976/1977 period. Once I discovered the album’s history, I understood why it was such an uneven record. Still, it did not change my overall view of what was a very overrated album. I understand why some have sentimental attachment towards Moody Blue, but I do find it surprising that anyone would ever assert that there are "no weak spots" on what is obviously an unbalanced album.
Overrated is an understatement. People must have been blinded by the blue wax gimmick. So lets talk about the music as some here are prone to point out. There were 2 gems on the album, Moody Blue & Way Down, but they were already out as singles (as were the B sides), so for me that left 6 very uninspired performances or songs of little merit for a guy like Elvis. ONJ? -we already had the better song once! As I said a total hodge-podge. Cant blame Jarvis for this mess, as RCA needed product and Elvis couldnt care less about what came out. I used to like Its Easy For You, but now not so much. I really still only like the 2 songs (the A sides) of the single on that album. The B sides were long drawn out mediocre affairs , done much better by others and the less said about the funeral march that is He'll Have To Go, the better. Jim Reeves nailed it, Elvis made it a snooze fest. Little Darlin & Unchained Melody didnt belong at all. Always a bad idea to mix studio and live. It doesnt work for albums. This was Elvis in the 70's An artist without direction.




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r&b wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Rockin_John wrote: When did you first hear the album?
Circa 1988
Rockin_John wrote:What was your initial thoughts?
I thought it was a very mixed, unbalanced album. Aside from “Pledging My Love,” I noticed the hits “Way Down” and “Moody Blue” were coupled alongside vastly inferior tracks. I thought “Little Darlin’” was cringe-worthy. The live Olivia Newton-John tracks seemed way beneath an artist of Elvis’ stature (and thought it was odd that the Memphis version of “Let Me Be There” was on the album). I did not find the country-influenced studio tracks overly compelling, although years later I grew to appreciate “She Thinks I Still Care” and “He’ll Have to Go.” I was surprised at how mediocre Elvis’ vocals were on “Unchained Melody.”
Rockin_John wrote:Were you aware of the conditions that it was made under when you first heard it?
Circa 1988, I was not aware of the conditions the album was made under during the 1976/1977 period. Once I discovered the album’s history, I understood why it was such an uneven record. Still, it did not change my overall view of what was a very overrated album. I understand why some have sentimental attachment towards Moody Blue, but I do find it surprising that anyone would ever assert that there are "no weak spots" on what is obviously an unbalanced album.
Overrated is an understatement. People must have been blinded by the blue wax gimmick. So lets talk about the music as some here are prone to point out. There were 2 gems on the album, Moody Blue & Way Down, but they were already out as singles (as were the B sides), so for me that left 6 very uninspired performances or songs of little merit for a guy like Elvis. ONJ? -we already had the better song once! As I said a total hodge-podge. Cant blame Jarvis for this mess, as RCA needed product and Elvis couldnt care less about what came out. I used to like Its Easy For You, but now not so much. I really still only like the 2 songs (the A sides) of the single on that album. The B sides were long drawn out mediocre affairs , done much better by others and the less said about the funeral march that is He'll Have To Go, the better. Jim Reeves nailed it, Elvis made it a snooze fest. Little Darlin & Unchained Melody didnt belong at all. Always a bad idea to mix studio and live. It doesnt work for albums. This was Elvis in the 70's An artist without direction.
For most that hadn't purchased the singles.. just heard them on the radio.. was a plus! And the Moody Blue single was a double-sided gem, IMO. And that goes for Way Down as well. For a very sick artist "without direction", Moody Blue is an excellent album! For a regular artist with direction. It is a 3 star album. It's still at the very least, good and enjoyable album by Elvis Presley. It has been for me since 1977!




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r&b wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Rockin_John wrote: When did you first hear the album?
Circa 1988
Rockin_John wrote:What was your initial thoughts?
I thought it was a very mixed, unbalanced album. Aside from “Pledging My Love,” I noticed the hits “Way Down” and “Moody Blue” were coupled alongside vastly inferior tracks. I thought “Little Darlin’” was cringe-worthy. The live Olivia Newton-John tracks seemed way beneath an artist of Elvis’ stature (and thought it was odd that the Memphis version of “Let Me Be There” was on the album). I did not find the country-influenced studio tracks overly compelling, although years later I grew to appreciate “She Thinks I Still Care” and “He’ll Have to Go.” I was surprised at how mediocre Elvis’ vocals were on “Unchained Melody.”
Rockin_John wrote:Were you aware of the conditions that it was made under when you first heard it?
Circa 1988, I was not aware of the conditions the album was made under during the 1976/1977 period. Once I discovered the album’s history, I understood why it was such an uneven record. Still, it did not change my overall view of what was a very overrated album. I understand why some have sentimental attachment towards Moody Blue, but I do find it surprising that anyone would ever assert that there are "no weak spots" on what is obviously an unbalanced album.
Overrated is an understatement. People must have been blinded by the blue wax gimmick. So lets talk about the music as some here are prone to point out. There were 2 gems on the album, Moody Blue & Way Down, but they were already out as singles (as were the B sides), so for me that left 6 very uninspired performances or songs of little merit for a guy like Elvis. ONJ? -we already had the better song once! As I said a total hodge-podge. Cant blame Jarvis for this mess, as RCA needed product and Elvis couldnt care less about what came out. I used to like Its Easy For You, but now not so much. I really still only like the 2 songs (the A sides) of the single on that album. The B sides were long drawn out mediocre affairs , done much better by others and the less said about the funeral march that is He'll Have To Go, the better. Jim Reeves nailed it, Elvis made it a snooze fest. Little Darlin & Unchained Melody didnt belong at all. Always a bad idea to mix studio and live. It doesnt work for albums. This was Elvis in the 70's An artist without direction.
To make it short...I disagree...apart from the Jarvis comment. Agree with that.




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Juan Luis wrote:
r&b wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Rockin_John wrote: When did you first hear the album?
Circa 1988
Rockin_John wrote:What was your initial thoughts?
I thought it was a very mixed, unbalanced album. Aside from “Pledging My Love,” I noticed the hits “Way Down” and “Moody Blue” were coupled alongside vastly inferior tracks. I thought “Little Darlin’” was cringe-worthy. The live Olivia Newton-John tracks seemed way beneath an artist of Elvis’ stature (and thought it was odd that the Memphis version of “Let Me Be There” was on the album). I did not find the country-influenced studio tracks overly compelling, although years later I grew to appreciate “She Thinks I Still Care” and “He’ll Have to Go.” I was surprised at how mediocre Elvis’ vocals were on “Unchained Melody.”
Rockin_John wrote:Were you aware of the conditions that it was made under when you first heard it?
Circa 1988, I was not aware of the conditions the album was made under during the 1976/1977 period. Once I discovered the album’s history, I understood why it was such an uneven record. Still, it did not change my overall view of what was a very overrated album. I understand why some have sentimental attachment towards Moody Blue, but I do find it surprising that anyone would ever assert that there are "no weak spots" on what is obviously an unbalanced album.
Overrated is an understatement. People must have been blinded by the blue wax gimmick. So lets talk about the music as some here are prone to point out. There were 2 gems on the album, Moody Blue & Way Down, but they were already out as singles (as were the B sides), so for me that left 6 very uninspired performances or songs of little merit for a guy like Elvis. ONJ? -we already had the better song once! As I said a total hodge-podge. Cant blame Jarvis for this mess, as RCA needed product and Elvis couldnt care less about what came out. I used to like Its Easy For You, but now not so much. I really still only like the 2 songs (the A sides) of the single on that album. The B sides were long drawn out mediocre affairs , done much better by others and the less said about the funeral march that is He'll Have To Go, the better. Jim Reeves nailed it, Elvis made it a snooze fest. Little Darlin & Unchained Melody didnt belong at all. Always a bad idea to mix studio and live. It doesnt work for albums. This was Elvis in the 70's An artist without direction.
For most that hadn't purchased the singles.. just heard them on the radio.. was a plus! And the Moody Blue single was a double-sided gem, IMO. And that goes for Way Down as well. For a very sick artist "without direction", Moody Blue is an excellent album! For a regular artist with direction. It is a 3 star album. It's still at the very least, good and enjoyable album by Elvis Presley. It has been for me since 1977!
Over the years, especially since his death, Ive come to realize, when it comes to Elvis, the majority of the fanbase set a pretty low bar of quality for acceptance. It happened in the mid 60's and it happened again after 1970. However you cut it, MB is not even a 3 star album, for any singer. Its all over the map musically, but not in a good way like other Elvis albums. She Still Thinks I Care is done way too slow and long, and there are too many Lord Lords sung in it to the point of saturation. It was not a gospel song. Check out the 1973 Fogerty version or better yet the original. Elvis drags it out. IMO The better Elvis version is the alternate version used on the Guitar Man LP in 1981. Still not a gem, but better. To be honest, Id rather listen to Harum Scarum . At least the songs had a similar theme and sounded as if they were done at the same time for the purpose of putting out an album.




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Juan Luis wrote:Exactly. And what was Jarvis (or any producer on the planet) going to do? Go up the stairs and pound on his door to come down and record? Incredible ignorance in 2017 related to addiction. Incredible.
Not Jarvis but I was always surprised that Parker and RCA allowed Elvis to no show the recording session and to not finish Moody blue. RCA could have threatened Elvis with a breach of contract if he didn't go into the studio to record enough songs to finish the album. Elvis, we don't care about your sqaubbles with your girlfriend get off your ass and get back into the studio to finish that album.



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r&b wrote: Over the years, especially since his death, Ive come to realize, when it comes to Elvis, the majority of the fanbase set a pretty low bar of quality for acceptance. It happened in the mid 60's and it happened again after 1970. However you cut it, MB is not even a 3 star album, for any singer.
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r&b wrote:However you cut it, MB is not even a 3 star album, for any singer. Its all over the map musically, but not in a good way like other Elvis albums. She Still Thinks I Care is done way too slow and long, and there are too many Lord Lords sung in it to the point of saturation. It was not a gospel song. Check out the 1973 Fogerty version or better yet the original. Elvis drags it out. IMO The better Elvis version is the alternate version used on the Guitar Man LP in 1981. Still not a gem, but better. To be honest, Id rather listen to Harum Scarum . At least the songs had a similar theme and sounded as if they were done at the same time for the purpose of putting out an album.
Oh sweet baby Jesus. She thinks I still care is not that bad Elvis does a good job on it. The Moody blue album is not overrated except by country music fans. It only sold well because of his recent death and it's an okay album for what it was. I have never heard any of his fans declare it to be a classic or his best album or anything like that. So again I don't consider it overrated by his fans only by country music fans. They have always held it in very high regard.




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I purchased Moody Blue the week after Elvis died. I didn't consider it then, and I don't consider it now, a very good album. Not because Elvis does not sing well (I think he does) but because of the song choice. The album, in my view, contains only 3 excellent songs; Moody Blue. Way Down and Pledging My Love. The others, for the most part, are maudlin and over produced. Had Elvis and his crew had any vision, then they could have made a decent concept album. If Elvis insisted on recording in his den, then put out an album of Elvis and just a few of his core rhythm section singing stripped down versions of 10 or so soft rock (Way Down) and county (Pledging My Love) songs. Such an album may have sparked some real interest among critics and the public. Kind of a throwback to the 68 sit down shows or a precursor to MTV's unplugged.




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ICanHelp wrote:I purchased Moody Blue the week after Elvis died. I didn't consider it then, and I don't consider it now, a very good album. Not because Elvis does not sing well (I think he does) but because of the song choice. The album, in my view, contains only 3 excellent songs; Moody Blue. Way Down and Pledging My Love. The others, for the most part, are maudlin and over produced. Had Elvis and his crew had any vision, then they could have made a decent concept album. If Elvis insisted on recording in his den, then put out an album of Elvis and just a few of his core rhythm section singing stripped down versions of 10 or so soft rock (Way Down) and county (Pledging My Love) songs. Such an album may have sparked some real interest among critics and the public. Kind of a throwback to the 68 sit down shows or a precursor to MTV's unplugged.
Their vision should have at least included using the uptempo version of She Thinks I Still Care. It was way less draggy than the master.




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Ciscoking wrote:...nice compilation..
...but it was meant to be a studio album...WTMW falls under what you suggest :roll:




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Juan Luis wrote:
sweetangeline wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:Not first time an album has mixed live cuts with studio recordings.
true...but that was never the intention with this album and you know that :wink:
So? It worked.
...sounds like you agree...but the outcome don`t come close to what it could have been so it never worked...certainly you can agree that you would have preferred some more studio cuts from January in place of the "live tracks"...seriously c`mon :shock:




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r&b wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
r&b wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Rockin_John wrote: When did you first hear the album?
Circa 1988
Rockin_John wrote:What was your initial thoughts?
I thought it was a very mixed, unbalanced album. Aside from “Pledging My Love,” I noticed the hits “Way Down” and “Moody Blue” were coupled alongside vastly inferior tracks. I thought “Little Darlin’” was cringe-worthy. The live Olivia Newton-John tracks seemed way beneath an artist of Elvis’ stature (and thought it was odd that the Memphis version of “Let Me Be There” was on the album). I did not find the country-influenced studio tracks overly compelling, although years later I grew to appreciate “She Thinks I Still Care” and “He’ll Have to Go.” I was surprised at how mediocre Elvis’ vocals were on “Unchained Melody.”
Rockin_John wrote:Were you aware of the conditions that it was made under when you first heard it?
Circa 1988, I was not aware of the conditions the album was made under during the 1976/1977 period. Once I discovered the album’s history, I understood why it was such an uneven record. Still, it did not change my overall view of what was a very overrated album. I understand why some have sentimental attachment towards Moody Blue, but I do find it surprising that anyone would ever assert that there are "no weak spots" on what is obviously an unbalanced album.
Overrated is an understatement. People must have been blinded by the blue wax gimmick. So lets talk about the music as some here are prone to point out. There were 2 gems on the album, Moody Blue & Way Down, but they were already out as singles (as were the B sides), so for me that left 6 very uninspired performances or songs of little merit for a guy like Elvis. ONJ? -we already had the better song once! As I said a total hodge-podge. Cant blame Jarvis for this mess, as RCA needed product and Elvis couldnt care less about what came out. I used to like Its Easy For You, but now not so much. I really still only like the 2 songs (the A sides) of the single on that album. The B sides were long drawn out mediocre affairs , done much better by others and the less said about the funeral march that is He'll Have To Go, the better. Jim Reeves nailed it, Elvis made it a snooze fest. Little Darlin & Unchained Melody didnt belong at all. Always a bad idea to mix studio and live. It doesnt work for albums. This was Elvis in the 70's An artist without direction.
For most that hadn't purchased the singles.. just heard them on the radio.. was a plus! And the Moody Blue single was a double-sided gem, IMO. And that goes for Way Down as well. For a very sick artist "without direction", Moody Blue is an excellent album! For a regular artist with direction. It is a 3 star album. It's still at the very least, good and enjoyable album by Elvis Presley. It has been for me since 1977!
Over the years, especially since his death, Ive come to realize, when it comes to Elvis, the majority of the fanbase set a pretty low bar of quality for acceptance. It happened in the mid 60's and it happened again after 1970. However you cut it, MB is not even a 3 star album, for any singer. Its all over the map musically, but not in a good way like other Elvis albums. She Still Thinks I Care is done way too slow and long, and there are too many Lord Lords sung in it to the point of saturation. It was not a gospel song. Check out the 1973 Fogerty version or better yet the original. Elvis drags it out. IMO The better Elvis version is the alternate version used on the Guitar Man LP in 1981. Still not a gem, but better. To be honest, Id rather listen to Harum Scarum . At least the songs had a similar theme and sounded as if they were done at the same time for the purpose of putting out an album.
Who are you to judge my taste in music? Corrupter of truth comes to mind.
If my taste in music isn't the same as yours, does that give you the right to ridicule the music I like? I have never ridiculed the music you like.

MB is what it is. Why you have the need to say "set a pretty low bar" is anyones guess.

If you like a certain song...that I don't...I would never talk about "low bar".
It's insulting. Just say you don't like it.

To insult people for what kind of music they like...not cool.




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Re: Little Darlin'

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I would have liked Elvis to have dumped LD and used You Can Have Her and Turn Around Look At Me..............................if he had to incorporate cover songs.




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midnightx wrote:
r&b wrote: Over the years, especially since his death, Ive come to realize, when it comes to Elvis, the majority of the fanbase set a pretty low bar of quality for acceptance. It happened in the mid 60's and it happened again after 1970. However you cut it, MB is not even a 3 star album, for any singer.
Quoted for its accuracy.
The "accuracy" is irrelevant. Why? Because many people without giving any thought enjoyed the music. Period. Not, Oh my goodness! I know better now. This is not good. Well, I got news for you. Too late! You enjoyed it when it came out! Case closed. Mission accomplished. Elvis entertained you. The NERVE!




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sweetangeline wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
sweetangeline wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:Not first time an album has mixed live cuts with studio recordings.
true...but that was never the intention with this album and you know that :wink:
So? It worked.
...sounds like you agree...but the outcome don`t come close to what it could have been so it never worked...certainly you can agree that you would have preferred some more studio cuts from January in place of the "live tracks"...seriously c`mon :shock:
No. I enjoyed it. Actually I found it exciting.. always loved Elvis LIVE...especially since it was still fresh after seeing him that February. And as for meant to be a studio album. Everyone listening to this with history books on their side will have a different perspective than the ones that saw it in the record store as Elvis's latest album. The same as coming in to know decades after the fact that many of your favorite live albums were tampered with in post-production. Now can we feel betrayed as if in a human condition? Of course not!




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why is it so hard to answer this simple question??
sweetangeline wrote:certainly you can agree that you would have preferred some more studio cuts from January in place of the "live tracks"
just be honest...I wont think any less of ya :wink:




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sweetangeline wrote:why is it so hard to answer this simple question??
sweetangeline wrote:certainly you can agree that you would have preferred some more studio cuts from January in place of the "live tracks"
just be honest...I wont think any less of ya :wink:
In 1977 as a 13-14 year old kid did not know not even 1/3 of Elvis's recordings. I had a life of other music and things as well. I did NOT think, oh those live recordings should have been studio! All I knew and CARED were that they were recordings that were new to me.. and entertained MOI (what a waste of great talent gone) thinking of this album as good stuff, not that he had gone down hill.. but that this was the end.... all that mattered. PS. Much better for me than the FEBP album I thought mistakenly was his last.
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