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An extended version of this song (2:51) is released on the Stereo 8 version (CPS1 - 3082); it is not available elsewhere.
Anybody ever heard this extended version?


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Such extensions were often done to allow a particular title to fit the eight-track format. Likewise, track orders were shuffled, if necessary.

I've not heard this edit of "Britches," but it seems to be very cruel to any fan to extend it by more than minute.


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If it does exist, I have no interest. Horrible song. Sorry to be a downer, but i am just laughing thinking about the song.




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On the bootleg box set 'CELLULOID ROCK' the song is listed as running to 2:41. However its the insert take 1 (master) followed by the spliced master, but its not listed as being both on the sleeve notes. This could be the same as I've never heard of a version lasting 2:51.


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Same on the bootleg 'FLAMIMG STAR' *(Double ''g'').


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No and dont want to. Already in 1960, the tide was turning as some horrible movie music like this was being submitted and recorded for films instead of being tossed right in the trash. A wasted a 1960 Elvis voice on a totally sub par song



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r&b wrote:No and dont want to. Already in 1960, the tide was turning as some horrible movie music like this was being submitted and recorded for films instead of being tossed right in the trash. A wasted a 1960 Elvis voice on a totally sub par song
At least it stayed on the shelf until 1978.


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drjohncarpenter wrote:Such extensions were often done to allow a particular title to fit the eight-track format. Likewise, track orders were shuffled, if necessary.

I've not heard this edit of "Britches," but it seems to be very cruel to any fan to extend it by more than minute.
I agree; but it's for the completists.

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Like many of the poorer songs, it's still part of the Elvis story. i prefer it over Ito Eats.


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No feminine gal wears britches!




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emjel wrote:Like many of the poorer songs, it's still part of the Elvis story. i prefer it over Ito Eats.
Thats a tough call. They both have great lyrics.

No feminine gal wears britches vs Ito eat like teeth are out of style. Dont think this was the Elvis that inspired Dylan.




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r&b wrote:
emjel wrote:Like many of the poorer songs, it's still part of the Elvis story. i prefer it over Ito Eats.
Thats a tough call. They both have great lyrics.

No feminine gal wears britches vs Ito eat like teeth are out of style. Dont think this was the Elvis that inspired Dylan.

No I believe the song that really changed things for Dylan was "petunia the gardener's daughter"




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The worst song Elvis ever did IMO.



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egilj wrote:The worst song Elvis ever did IMO.
I prefer it to "For The Heart". Genuinely !

I don't understand why people can't see things in context. Britches, like A Cane and A High Starched Collar was written to simulate the type of song that might have been sung in West Texas in 1878, the locale and time period of Flaming Star.

It was rightly cut from the film (heaven forbid that it immediately preceded the massacre at the ranch). But 'Cane' fits in OK and provides a light-hearted interval before the drama begins.

We are judging something from 57 years ago from a current-day standpoint when it should be judged by contemporary tastes and standards and, as I have said, in context.


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Perhaps this is what has been spoken about?




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Steve Morse wrote:
egilj wrote:The worst song Elvis ever did IMO.
I prefer it to "For The Heart". Genuinely !

I don't understand why people can't see things in context. Britches, like A Cane and A High Starched Collar was written to simulate the type of song that might have been sung in West Texas in 1878, the locale and time period of Flaming Star.

It was rightly cut from the film (heaven forbid that it immediately preceded the massacre at the ranch). But 'Cane' fits in OK and provides a light-hearted interval before the drama begins.

We are judging something from 57 years ago from a current-day standpoint when it should be judged by contemporary tastes and standards and, as I have said, in context.
Of course we realize that. I dont think anyone here is judging a song by current day standards. We are just judging a song Elvis recorded. Would anyone be wrong to judge a Cole Porter classic by today's standards? I dont think so. A good song is a good song and never gets old. Unfort there was a ton of such silly songs that made up a lot of the 60's for the movies. But still, it was a song he recorded. Thankfully it was not used, but when a poster makes it a topic of a thread , then people should comment as they see fit. Thats why the topic was created (I think). I cant believe you prefer it to For The Heart though. While Elvis' voice may not be as pristine in 1976 as it was in 1960, the song is so much better than Britches its not even funny. You really think Britches is a better piece of music? And Im no fan of 1976!




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Steve Morse wrote:
egilj wrote:The worst song Elvis ever did IMO.
I prefer it to "For The Heart". Genuinely !

I don't understand why people can't see things in context. Britches, like A Cane and A High Starched Collar was written to simulate the type of song that might have been sung in West Texas in 1878, the locale and time period of Flaming Star.

It was rightly cut from the film (heaven forbid that it immediately preceded the massacre at the ranch). But 'Cane' fits in OK and provides a light-hearted interval before the drama begins.

We are judging something from 57 years ago from a current-day standpoint when it should be judged by contemporary tastes and standards and, as I have said, in context.
I think the problem here is that, as with Love Me Tender, if they wanted a song to sound like it was written in 1878, then they should have used a song that was around in 1878! It would even have saved money on the copyright/royalties front!

Ironically Forget Me Never, recorded in the same year, is based on a tune that goes back that far (Lorena). And to give Love Me Tender its due, at least the title song was based on an old folk song too. Bizarrely, though, as modern song, Petunia the Gardener's Daughter is a better likeness for a song sung on a Showboat than Britches (or A Cane and High-Starched Collar) is for a song sung in 1878 in Texas.



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r&b wrote:
Steve Morse wrote:
egilj wrote:The worst song Elvis ever did IMO.
I prefer it to "For The Heart". Genuinely !

I don't understand why people can't see things in context. Britches, like A Cane and A High Starched Collar was written to simulate the type of song that might have been sung in West Texas in 1878, the locale and time period of Flaming Star.

It was rightly cut from the film (heaven forbid that it immediately preceded the massacre at the ranch). But 'Cane' fits in OK and provides a light-hearted interval before the drama begins.

We are judging something from 57 years ago from a current-day standpoint when it should be judged by contemporary tastes and standards and, as I have said, in context.
Of course we realize that. I dont think anyone here is judging a song by current day standards. We are just judging a song Elvis recorded. Would anyone be wrong to judge a Cole Porter classic by today's standards? I dont think so. A good song is a good song and never gets old. Unfort there was a ton of such silly songs that made up a lot of the 60's for the movies. But still, it was a song he recorded. Thankfully it was not used, but when a poster makes it a topic of a thread , then people should comment as they see fit. Thats why the topic was created (I think). I cant believe you prefer it to For The Heart though. While Elvis' voice may not be as pristine in 1976 as it was in 1960, the song is so much better than Britches its not even funny. You really think Britches is a better piece of music? And Im no fan of 1976!
I just have never liked For The Heart !

Britches has a certain charm, warmth and humour in the way Elvis sings it.


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I think "Britches" is cute!



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Steve Morse wrote:
egilj wrote:The worst song Elvis ever did IMO.
I prefer it to "For The Heart". Genuinely !

I don't understand why people can't see things in context. Britches, like A Cane and A High Starched Collar was written to simulate the type of song that might have been sung in West Texas in 1878, the locale and time period of Flaming Star.

It was rightly cut from the film (heaven forbid that it immediately preceded the massacre at the ranch). But 'Cane' fits in OK and provides a light-hearted interval before the drama begins.

We are judging something from 57 years ago from a current-day standpoint when it should be judged by contemporary tastes and standards and, as I have said, in context.
I disagree. "Britches" is not viewed kindly whether as a shelved soundtrack song from 1960, an excavated track in 1978, or today. It's another Hollywood attempt to get Elvis to sing in a dramatic movie, much to the chagrin of the director, among others. The lyric and melody are unremarkable, and the accordion woeful. Sadly, it is not the worst song Elvis ever did, either.

None of the material cut for the film is worthy of Elvis' time or talent, save perhaps the title track. And none of the music heard in "Flaming Star" actually approaches the type of music that might have been prevalent in the 1870s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1870s_in_music#U.S._and_North_America

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A shelved song was not meant to be released. Simples. Many (if not all), top acts have atrocious crap in the vaults, or has been released decades after the fact. It is the same as if it had been erased. All that should be said, In my opinion. No wonder it wasn't released. Not.. "OMG this is terrible how could he?!".....drama.



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Juan Luis wrote:A shelved song was not meant to be released. Simples. Many (if not all), top acts have atrocious crap in the vaults, or has been released decades after the fact. It is the same as if it had been erased. All that should be said, In my opinion. No wonder it wasn't released. Not.. "OMG this is terrible how could he?!".....drama.
Exactly, it was unreleased for many years and while not great, I'm glad it wasn't erased. If I had to choose between listening to Britches or Old MacDonald, a song that was deemed fit for release, it would be Britches any day!



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Tony C wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:A shelved song was not meant to be released. Simples. Many (if not all), top acts have atrocious crap in the vaults, or has been released decades after the fact. It is the same as if it had been erased. All that should be said, In my opinion. No wonder it wasn't released. Not.. "OMG this is terrible how could he?!".....drama.
Exactly, it was unreleased for many years and while not great, I'm glad it wasn't erased. If I had to choose between listening to Britches or Old MacDonald, a song that was deemed fit for release, it would be Britches any day!
Let's hope you never have to choose. ;-)


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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Steve Morse wrote:
egilj wrote:The worst song Elvis ever did IMO.
I prefer it to "For The Heart". Genuinely !

I don't understand why people can't see things in context. Britches, like A Cane and A High Starched Collar was written to simulate the type of song that might have been sung in West Texas in 1878, the locale and time period of Flaming Star.

It was rightly cut from the film (heaven forbid that it immediately preceded the massacre at the ranch). But 'Cane' fits in OK and provides a light-hearted interval before the drama begins.

We are judging something from 57 years ago from a current-day standpoint when it should be judged by contemporary tastes and standards and, as I have said, in context.
I disagree. "Britches" is not viewed kindly whether as a shelved soundtrack song from 1960, an excavated track in 1978, or today. It's another Hollywood attempt to get Elvis to sing in a dramatic movie, much to the chagrin of the director, among others. The lyric and melody are unremarkable, and the accordion woeful. Sadly, it is not the worst song Elvis ever did, either.

None of the material cut for the film is worthy of Elvis' time or talent, save perhaps the title track
. And none of the music heard in "Flaming Star" actually approaches the type of music that might have been prevalent in the 1870s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1870s_in_music#U.S._and_North_America

Oh well.
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Dan_T wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:I disagree. "Britches" is not viewed kindly whether as a shelved soundtrack song from 1960, an excavated track in 1978, or today. It's another Hollywood attempt to get Elvis to sing in a dramatic movie, much to the chagrin of the director, among others. The lyric and melody are unremarkable, and the accordion woeful. Sadly, it is not the worst song Elvis ever did, either.

None of the material cut for the film is worthy of Elvis' time or talent, save perhaps the title track
. And none of the music heard in "Flaming Star" actually approaches the type of music that might have been prevalent in the 1870s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1870s_in_music#U.S._and_North_America

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Summer Kisses, Winter Tears, is worthy of his time and talent.
I might give you that, but it was laughed at when shown at a preview, and cut from the film. Otherwise, glad you agree.


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