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"You Don't Know Me"

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Elvis Presley singing the Eddy Arnold and Cindy Walker ballad in nothing less than sublime fashion. It is interesting that Arnold obtained the writing credit the same way Presley did with "That's Someone You Never forget" with his friend Red West. Arnold gave Walker the title and the idea of how the song should be. With that ,"the song wrote itself", according to Walker.-Wikipedia.

Eddy Arnold was first to record it (1955), while Jerry Vale was the first to chart on Billboard with it in 1956 peaking at #14 in the pop chart. It Wasn't until 1962 that Ray Charles' cover made the big splash peaking at #2 on the Hot 100 billboard chart.

Elvis Presley ‎– "Big Boss Man / You Don't Know Me" RCA Victor ‎– 47-9341 single. The A-side made the Billboard top 40 peaking at #38.

"You Don't Know Me" was first recorded by Elvis on February 21, 1967 for the "Clambake" film. The superior in my opinion, remake and single B-side version, was recorded at Nashville's RCA Studio B, on September 11, 1967, with Felton Jarvis producing, and Jim Malloy behind the console.

Floyd Cramer is a standout on the piano, and The Jordanaires plus Milie Kirkham with beautiful background singing support.

This Is Elvis in extra fine form in 1967. I love it!

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It's not his best ballad, but it is a good one. I like it, quite a lot.



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The 'non'movie' version of 'You Don't Know Me' is given an excellent rendering by Elvis.

In the UK it was the A side but for such a strong single it failed to chart (RCA 1642) in 1967. One of only a handful with this distinction.

The others were:-

All Shook Up / Heartbreak Hotel (1958)
Hound Dog / Blue Suede Shoes (1958)
Judy / There's Always Me (1967)
A Little Less Conversation / Almost In Love (1968)
Blue Moon / You're A Heartbreaker / I'm Left, You're Right, She's Gone' (1975) Maxi -Single

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I love this song. Unusually, a movie song with a pedigree and not written specifically by the Colonel's battery writers.

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It was one of my fave songs back in June ....

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93392

and is still an all time fave.
Thanks for bringing this great ballad back to the top again.


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Top notch!




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Domino wrote:It was one of my fave songs back in June ....

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93392

and is still an all time fave.
Thanks for bringing this great ballad back to the top again.
Thanks for the reminder! I did search and nothing came out!




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Love the song.....the movie version is better imo




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Domino wrote:It was one of my fave songs back in June ....

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93392

and is still an all time fave.
Thanks for bringing this great ballad back to the top again.
How could I forget that great post! ::rocks



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Nice Juan!
The September studio recording gets the nod for me... beautifully done. The movie version seems heartless by comparison...



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The movie version is awful. The later cut is excellent. It's like he invested zero emotion in the first version and forgot what a great singer he was. The difference is evident from the first line.


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Domino wrote:It was one of my fave songs back in June ....

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93392

and is still an all time fave.
Thanks for bringing this great ballad back to the top again.
There's a ton of great information and video clips there, including your mom's version of the song!

You Don't Know Me.......Now that's a Good'un.
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93392


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Hi there!! :D :D :D.

Love this song but I prefer the regular studio version (September 11th, 1967 remake) over the Clambake movie version :smt020.

Elvis nailed the master take in just 2 takes, although a splice what made for this. You Don´t Know Me Rehearsal + take 2 is pretty cool with the bass voice of Ray Walker 8).

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Eddy Arnold re-recorded the song on 9 december 1959 for an album.


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Mike Windgren wrote:Hi there!! :D :D :D.

Love this song but I prefer the regular studio version (September 11th, 1967 remake) over the Clambake movie version :smt020.

Elvis nailed the master take in just 2 takes, although a splice what made for this. You Don´t Know Me Rehearsal + take 2 is pretty cool with the bass voice of Ray Walker 8).

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Gracias Miguel!



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Hi there!! :D :D :D.
Juan Luis wrote:
Mike Windgren wrote:
Love this song but I prefer the regular studio version (September 11th, 1967 remake) over the Clambake movie version :smt020.

Elvis nailed the master take in just 2 takes, although a splice what made for this. You Don´t Know Me Rehearsal + take 2 is pretty cool with the bass voice of Ray Walker 8).

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Now we're talkin Juan!

This song is first class all the way, not a song I listen to constantly but when I come across it on Youtube or a mix CD, it never fails to floor me.


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TJ wrote:The movie version is awful. The later cut is excellent. It's like he invested zero emotion in the first version and forgot what a great singer he was. The difference is evident from the first line.
My feelings exactly. It's a perfect example of how an artist's performance of a song is more important than the quality of the song itself.




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If we only had the movie version, I think most would say it was better than average movie material. The song did have a pedigree. The second, studio version is better but I don't understand the disdain some have for the movie version. He captures the song's desolation and sings well, even if a little more by the numbers.




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His voice sounded better (for me) 7-8 months later when he did the remake.



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TJ wrote:The movie version is awful. The later cut is excellent. It's like he invested zero emotion in the first version and forgot what a great singer he was. The difference is evident from the first line.
I've never seen the first version as being that awful. Both were cut at RCA Nashville, and both used virtually the same musicians, vocalists and engineers, and only 6 and a half months separated them.

"You Don't Know Me" - RCA's "Studio B," Nashville, TN
2-21-1967 (Tue) - 20 takes, master = 20
9-11-1967 (Mon) - 2 takes, master = 1 (with last chord from take 2)

Clearly Elvis thought he could do it better, which is why it got remade. He produced all his sessions, and had final say. Interestingly, he took at least 20 takes in February before arriving at a master, that's hardly a sign of zero effort. Meanwhile, in September he crafted essentially a first take for release. Certainly, Presley's mindset had changed by the end of summer 1967, and what he gave the song then might be a bit of melancholy over being married and having a baby on the way. Exactly a week after his May 1, 1967 nuptials in Las Vegas, the one who got away did exactly the same thing in the same town, with someone else.



colonel snow wrote:Eddy Arnold re-recorded the song on 9 december 1959 for an album.
Yup, it appeared on Eddy Arnold Sings Them Again (RCA LPM 2185, May 1960). He cut a third version in late 1964, a South African language rendition called "Jy Ken My Nie," and released it on Sings Songs Of The World (RCA Germany, LPM 10058, 1965).

In an interesting coincidence, the day Eddy recorded his original hit single version for RCA, which made #10 on the Billboard country chart in mid-1956, he said hello to Elvis, in town for publicity purposes. Small world!

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With Eddy Arnold, RCA New York - Thursday, December 1, 1955
Photo: William "PoPsie" Randolph
"I'll Be Satisfied," "Do You Know Where God Lives," Bayou Lullaby" and "You Don't Know Me" completed this day, with Steve Sholes behind the board.
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Thanks a lot, Doc!




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drjohncarpenter wrote:
TJ wrote:The movie version is awful. The later cut is excellent. It's like he invested zero emotion in the first version and forgot what a great singer he was. The difference is evident from the first line.
I've never seen the first version as being that awful. Both were cut at RCA Nashville, and both used virtually the same musicians, vocalists and engineers, and only 6 and a half months separated them.

"You Don't Know Me" - RCA's "Studio B," Nashville, TN
2-21-1967 (Tue) - 20 takes, master = 20
9-11-1967 (Mon) - 2 takes, master = 1 (with last chord from take 2)

Clearly Elvis thought he could do it better, which is why it got remade. He produced all his sessions, and had final say. Interestingly, he took at least 20 takes in February before arriving at a master, that's hardly a sign of zero effort. Meanwhile, in September he crafted essentially a first take for release. Certainly, Presley's mindset had changed by the end of summer 1967, and what he gave the song then might be a bit of melancholy over being married and having a baby on the way. Exactly a week after his May 1, 1967 nuptials in Las Vegas, the one who got away did exactly the same thing in the same town, with someone else.



colonel snow wrote:Eddy Arnold re-recorded the song on 9 december 1959 for an album.
Yup, it appeared on Eddy Arnold Sings Them Again (RCA LPM 2185, May 1960). He cut a third version in late 1964, a South African language rendition called "Jy Ken My Nie," and released it on Sings Songs Of The World (RCA Germany, LPM 10058, 1965).

In an interesting coincidence, the day Eddy recorded his original hit single version for RCA, which made #10 on the Billboard country chart in mid-1956, he said hello to Elvis, in town for publicity purposes. Small world!

551201_w Eddy Arnold_RCA NY_PoPsie.JPG
With Eddy Arnold, RCA New York - Thursday, December 1, 1955
Photo: William "PoPsie" Randolph
"I'll Be Satisfied," "Do You Know Where God Lives," Bayou Lullaby" and "You Don't Know Me" completed this day, with Steve Sholes behind the board.
I have a lot of time for Eddy Arnold. Thanks for this info.



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Doc, in your photo of Eddy & Elvis, there seems to be something strange about Eddy's left hand at an odd angle with an extra arm (fading out) :) Looks a little weird to me :lol:


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DayVee Bee wrote:Doc, in your photo of Eddy & Elvis, there seems to be something strange about Eddy's left hand at an odd angle with an extra arm (fading out) :) Looks a little weird to me :lol:
It does look weird, almost as if there's a straight line running down the photo and two separate ones were joined up, but in reality it's the way three shadows being cast have found themselves interfering with the the pose. It's from lights and or camera flash.
There's plenty of photos taken that day, in excess of 60 and more than just the one with Eddy.


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