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Inspired by the topic about I Need Your Love Tonight as started by Juan Luis: http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=94671#p1520930


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Mark Matthews about the composer of the song Bill Trader (full name William Marvin Trader) in May 2005:
"I have been taking music lessons from a man named Bud Orr of Charlotte, North Carolina for the last few months and he has a very interesting story regarding Bill Trader. Bud is in his late 70's (78 I think) and told me recently that the song A Fool Such As I was written on his front porch.

Bud gives the following account. "Bill Trader had a job performing maintenance on vending machines for Pepsi Cola and dropped by my house with a song that he needed written down. He called before he came by to see if I was busy. He said, 'I've got a song in my head and I'm afraid I'll lose it'. Bill couldn't read music and was a 3 chord guitar picker. He had a melody and would sing it while I played the guitar and wrote it down. He paid me $5.00 for writing a lead sheet for him".

Bud is the one who came up with the chord progression for the song and says that a guy named Howard Simpson ran a recording studio where Bud played guitar on the first cut of the song. Apparently Simpson played a big part in the promotion of the song. He also told me he still has a few songs that he wrote down for Bill Trader that he was never paid for and were never picked up.

Bud is an interesting fellow. He taught himself to play the guitar, later the mandolin, the bass and the banjo. He worked at Griffin Music in Charlotte and pretty much taught himself to read and write music. He has authored 6 mandolin books and co-authored two guitar books with Bill Bay of Mel Bay music. He lives in the same house where he was born, in an old section of Charlotte, has never married and supports himself in his retirement by teaching music and receiving the royalties from his publications."
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The first version of the song was released in November 1952 and was recorded on May 19, 1952 by Hank Snow, The Singing Ranger and The Rainbow Ranch Boys:
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The song entered the Billboard Country & Western Disc Jockey Chart on December 27, 1952 and it peaked at number four early in 1953.



Jo Stafford recorded the song on December 30, 1952 and released her version on January 23, 1953:
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Tommy Edwards didn't wait too long either. His version was released in January 1953 as well:
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Elvis recorded his version on June 10, 1958. It was released on March 10, 1959. It peaked at #1 in the UK and reached #2 in the US:
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Live in March 1961:
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TTWII Rehearsal 1970:
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Other versions

Recorded on January 29, 1959 and released in March. The same month as Elvis' version:
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A German version from 1959:
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Bill Trader himself also recorded the song in 1962. It was released that year on his album Bill Trader Sings His Songs.
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Bob Dylan released his version on November 16, 1973 .


Petula Clark recorded her version in French: Prends Mon Coeur, released on 1960 SP Vogue 45 PV 15077:
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A Portugese version by Ed Wilson (VOU PARTIR) was released in June 1966:
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I love it! And agree it is the better side.



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Additional information + other recordings:

20-11-52 - Tommy Edwards (MGM 11395);
30-12-52 - Jo Stafford (Columbia 39930);
00-00-52 - The Bell Sisters (RCA 20-5122);
13-01-53 - Dottie Dillard & Jack Shook with Grady Martin & The Slew Foot Five (Decca 28588);
21-01-53 - The Robins (RCA 20-5175);
10-07-57 - Bobby Helms (LP).

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I like :D

The very talented Miss Doris Day also recorded this in 1963 along with 'Can't Help Falling In Love'. They can both be found on her 'Love Him' album.

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I could listen to Jo Stafford all day, one of the great (REALLY great) vocalists of the 40s to 60s who constantly seems to fall under the radar.

As for Elvis's version, it's one of his very best recordings, and even gives us a small hint of the vocal sound he would utilise in the early 1960s - notice he scrapes into that sweeter higher register on the opening line on the words "I'm sentimental." Quite why it didn't make his 70s set list is a bit of a mystery, given the rehearsal footage we have that shows a ready-to-go arrangement and an Elvis that sings the song fine (despite some larking around) and that knows the words.



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colonel snow wrote:Additional information + other recordings:

20-11-52 - Tommy Edwards (MGM 11395);
30-12-52 - Jo Stafford (Columbia 39930);
00-00-52 - The Bell Sisters (RCA 20-5122);
13-01-53 - Dottie Dillard & Jack Shook with Grady Martin & The Slew Foot Five (Decca 28588);
21-01-53 - The Robins (RCA 20-5175);
10-07-57 - Bobby Helms (LP).

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Thanks!

A few more versions not mentioned yet - recorded in the 50's and 60's - sorted by release date:

Eddy Arnold October 1956
Sonny James September 1957
Johnny Worth May 1959
Jim Reeves July 1959
Carl Dobkins, Jr. 1959
Slim Whitman 1959
Prends mon cœur by Maria Candido 1959
Hank MacDonald and The Roving Brakemen 1960
Bill Trader 1962
Frank Ifield with The Orchestra of Norrie Paramor November 1963
George Maharis 1963
Boots Randolph 1965
Sven Hedlund 1967

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poormadpeter2 wrote:I could listen to Jo Stafford all day, one of the great (REALLY great) vocalists of the 40s to 60s who constantly seems to fall under the radar.

As for Elvis's version, it's one of his very best recordings, and even gives us a small hint of the vocal sound he would utilise in the early 1960s - notice he scrapes into that sweeter higher register on the opening line on the words "I'm sentimental." Quite why it didn't make his 70s set list is a bit of a mystery, given the rehearsal footage we have that shows a ready-to-go arrangement and an Elvis that sings the song fine (despite some larking around) and that knows the words.
Of all the 50's tunes that didn't make the 69-77 live show this is the one I pine for to this day. The original recording is a terrific record, that for some odd reason doesn't seem to get the kudos that the stuff from 56-57 gets.




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MikeFromHolland wrote:
colonel snow wrote:Additional information + other recordings:

20-11-52 - Tommy Edwards (MGM 11395);
30-12-52 - Jo Stafford (Columbia 39930);
00-00-52 - The Bell Sisters (RCA 20-5122);
13-01-53 - Dottie Dillard & Jack Shook with Grady Martin & The Slew Foot Five (Decca 28588);
21-01-53 - The Robins (RCA 20-5175);
10-07-57 - Bobby Helms (LP).

colonel snow
Thanks!

A few more versions not mentioned yet - recorded in the 50's and 60's - sorted by release date:

Eddy Arnold October 1956
Sonny James September 1957
Johnny Worth May 1959
Jim Reeves July 1959
Carl Dobkins, Jr. 1959
Slim Whitman 1959
Prends mon cœur by Maria Candido 1959
Hank MacDonald and The Roving Brakemen 1960
Bill Trader 1962
Frank Ifield with The Orchestra of Norrie Paramor November 1963
George Maharis 1963
Boots Randolph 1965
Sven Hedlund 1967

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In the UK, Gerry Brereton recorded a nice version in 1953 with Frank Chacklesfield and his orchestra. Sadly I only have in on 78rpm and don't have a way to digitise it for youtube.




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Pete Dube wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:I could listen to Jo Stafford all day, one of the great (REALLY great) vocalists of the 40s to 60s who constantly seems to fall under the radar.

As for Elvis's version, it's one of his very best recordings, and even gives us a small hint of the vocal sound he would utilise in the early 1960s - notice he scrapes into that sweeter higher register on the opening line on the words "I'm sentimental." Quite why it didn't make his 70s set list is a bit of a mystery, given the rehearsal footage we have that shows a ready-to-go arrangement and an Elvis that sings the song fine (despite some larking around) and that knows the words.
Of all the 50's tunes that didn't make the 69-77 live show this is the one I pine for to this day. The original recording is a terrific record, that for some odd reason doesn't seem to get the kudos that the stuff from 56-57 gets.
Maybe he thought this also and thats why it didnt make the concert list, but I agree it should have. Makes a lot more sense that the songs he covered in concert which I will not get into! (Imagine this in Aloha with a few others for the worldwide stage!)



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It was, and still is one of my fav singles. A double sided hit, hard to choose a fav between the two. I simply loved both sides of this. Another true classic. Other double sided singles I used to love: Hound Dog/Don't Be Cruel. Jailhouse Rock/Treat Me Nice. One Night/I Got Stung. From the 60's: His Latest Flame/Little Sister....the memories... :smt020


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One of my all time favorite vocalists did a fab jazzy version of this song.
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It's just an outstanding Elvis Presley recording.

The interesting thingabout this track is the sound of it, damn, that guitar tone is so damn kool, not to mention DJ nabbing away that shuffle ...

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minkahed wrote:It's just an outstanding Elvis Presley recording.

The interesting thingabout this track is the sound of it, damn, that guitar tone is so damn kool, not to mention DJ nabbing away that shuffle ...

The 50's ...
Was it Don Juan on drums or Buddy Harmon?



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I've never heard about Corky Carpenter but he recorded the song around 1958.

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colonel snow wrote:I've never heard about Corky Carpenter but he recorded the song around 1958.

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Isn't he a prominent member on this forum? :wink:

Thanks again! Here he is. The 78rpm version:

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He also recorded this one, it was the flip-side of A Fool Such As I.
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The single You're Cheatin' Heart (A side)/A Fool Such As I (B side) by Corky Carpenter and The Rhythm Rangers was released in 1953 already: http://www.45cat.com/artist/corky-carpenter

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Classic Elvis. Both side are superb although I prefer Fool just a tad more. There would not be that kind of top quality record until His Latest Flame / Little sister, that is, three years later.



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I think this version shouldn't be missed on this thread -- check out the bass voice.

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Really like his vocal here. Restrained and beautiful phrasing until the end when he slightly and coolly lets it rip.



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George Smith wrote:I think this version shouldn't be missed on this thread -- check out the bass voice.

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This is a lovely performance, released 2-07-1953 on RCA Victor 5175 about a year before the Robins moved over to the Spark label to work with Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoller.

That's Bobby Nunn on the bass voice. Any chance the 18 year-old Elvis heard this recording? All signs point to "Yes."

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poormadpeter2 wrote:Quite why it didn't make his 70s set list is a bit of a mystery, given the rehearsal footage we have that shows a ready-to-go arrangement and an Elvis that sings the song fine (despite some larking around) and that knows the words.
Indeed. To be honest, I confess that I actually prefer the rough TTWII SE rehearsal to the original master, though I wouldn't want to be without either of them!




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Eggrert wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:Quite why it didn't make his 70s set list is a bit of a mystery, given the rehearsal footage we have that shows a ready-to-go arrangement and an Elvis that sings the song fine (despite some larking around) and that knows the words.
Indeed. To be honest, I confess that I actually prefer the rough TTWII SE rehearsal to the original master, though I wouldn't want to be without either of them!
I get you! Elvis went to the country version in 1970 obviously forgetting how he spruced it up! It wasn't always the best thing to do. So even if it is a rehearsal, he sounds at least as sincere as the record that came out in 1959. I think even more.



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Nice post!
My favorite '58 track of Elvis'... always loved this song from the first time I heard it on Legendary Performer Volume 1.
Great to hear Ray talk about when they recorded it and how Elvis asked him to sing an octave lower...




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poormadpeter2 wrote:I could listen to Jo Stafford all day, one of the great (REALLY great) vocalists of the 40s to 60s who constantly seems to fall under the radar.

As for Elvis's version, it's one of his very best recordings, and even gives us a small hint of the vocal sound he would utilise in the early 1960s - notice he scrapes into that sweeter higher register on the opening line on the words "I'm sentimental." Quite why it didn't make his 70s set list is a bit of a mystery, given the rehearsal footage we have that shows a ready-to-go arrangement and an Elvis that sings the song fine (despite some larking around) and that knows the words.
I agree. More broadly when you listen to the rehersal footage and releases from TTWII, you can still hear that 50s and 60s voice which is amazing- breezy, light and anle to move up and down. This was last time i hear that quality which is what makes these performances so special.


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1961... Elvis is singing "A Fool Such As I" live a maximum of three times, counting the two Memphis shows, and he is already messing with the lyrics "you taught me how to MILK a cow" ... should we be so hard on him during the 1970's when he sang some songs hundreds of times and messed with them lyrics?! Heartburn Motel indeed!



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Juan Luis wrote:1961... Elvis is singing "A Fool Such As I" live a maximum of three times, counting the two Memphis shows, and he is already messing with the lyrics "you taught me how to MILK a cow" ... should we be so hard on him during the 1970's when he sang some songs hundreds of times and messed with them lyrics?! Heartburn Motel indeed!
Yes, we should. Your suggestion is an example of false equivalence. Elvis sometimes changed lyrics for fun as early as March 1955, given the tape we have from Houston. But the difference between how he addressed his songs in 1955, or in 1956, or 1957 or 1961, is miles apart from they way he trashed some of his classics in the later 1970s. In the earlier part of his career, the music was still sacrosanct. One listen proves it.


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