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Re: Paradise Hawaiian Style Sessions - Full Of Talents!

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I don’t find the material of good quality (quite the opposite), but considering the talent of the musicians, if they had worked on the material with creativity, reinventing the sound, the feel - like Elvis did early on in his career - who knows? After all even Hound dog has silly lyrics and simplistic melody - what makes it great is the arrangement, that guitar, Elvis approach to it etc. If you heard the 50s songs the first time as Elvis sang them live in the seventies, you probably would have classified many of them as «silly» songs. Of course if they had - john Lennon’s «Imagine» to work on instead of «Queenie Wahine's Papaya » it would have been easier to get valuable results and engage musicians. Just an opinion ...




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Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think both album and film are stinkers
Is it a fact that the album and the film are stinkers or is it just an opinion?
Which part of the words I THINK do you not understand?




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MikeFromHolland wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:Elvis' at his worst, was much, much, better... in my opinion! :lol:

Don't get me wrong, I think both album and film are stinkers, but the thread wasn't created to discuss the worth of the album but the talent that was wasted on it. And a point of that was made not once, but twice, in the opening post.
And yet the same old people then come along and turn it into a bashing session about the record instead of a discussion about the musicians. What I don't understand is that, if they hate the discussions about "category 3 and 4 material" so much, why don't they create their own bloody threads?!
Exactly!

Think it went over their haeds again. Just like the definitions given. One should seriously wonder why they are on this board anyway. Even our one and only once so highly regarded drjohncarpenter is contributing only to this thread by thanking someone who makes a rediculous remark about fact = opinion. Ignoring the definitions about both. That's what scholarship turned in to. This place became a madhouse filled with ignorant trolls.

Let's get back on topic. Do you think those musicians were at the same boat as Elvis? Experiencing a (relatively) lower point in their carreers?

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I think I know why they were on this board at first. Now they are clearly bored without... :) As for the question. In my opinion, it was a just another gig for the musicians. Good honest work. That's all.
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Davelee wrote: So therefore calling my contributions crap and not valid
Can you please show me where I call your contributions crap and not valid, please?

You don't understand the word "think" pmp2 writes about, you don't understand my question, you don't understand the definitions of fact, opinion, valid. Is there something you DO understand?

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Fabbe wrote:I don’t find the material of good quality (quite the opposite), but considering the talent of the musicians, if they had worked on the material with creativity, reinventing the sound, the feel - like Elvis did early on in his career - who knows? After all even Hound dog has silly lyrics and simplistic melody - what makes it great is the arrangement, that guitar, Elvis approach to it etc. If you heard the 50s songs the first time as Elvis sang them live in the seventies, you probably would have classified many of them as «silly» songs. Of course if they had - john Lennon’s «Imagine» to work on instead of «Queenie Wahine's Papaya » it would have been easier to get valuable results and engage musicians. Just an opinion ...
Quite possible. I'm sure Elvis and the band at the time had thought of ways to spice these songs up but with the such poor quality of the songs written there probanly wasn't much they could do with them.




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MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote: So therefore calling my contributions crap and not valid
Can you please show me where I call your contributions crap and not valid, please?

You don't understand the word "think" pmp2 writes about, you don't understand my question, you don't understand the definitions of fact, opinion, valid. Is there something you DO understand?

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Err....your quote to me on page 2 "your contributions on this forum are crap".



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Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote: So therefore calling my contributions crap and not valid
Can you please show me where I call your contributions crap and not valid, please?

You don't understand the word "think" pmp2 writes about, you don't understand my question, you don't understand the definitions of fact, opinion, valid. Is there something you DO understand?

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Err....your quote to me on page 2 "your contributions on this forum are crap".
And my question was: fact or opinion? Still waiting for an answer....

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MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think both album and film are stinkers
Is it a fact that the album and the film are stinkers or is it just an opinion?
Opinion. Now let's get back on topic, please. you might start with reading the OP. Thank you.

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Its a fact that the album and film is crap!
I agree with your assessment, still it's an opinion.

Now, is this an opinion or a fact: your contributions to this forum are crap.

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This mirrors my thought exactly...thank you, Mike !


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poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think both album and film are stinkers
Is it a fact that the album and the film are stinkers or is it just an opinion?
Which part of the words I THINK do you not understand?
Lol. :facep: Which part of your words do you not understand? Your quote: "don't get me wrong, i think both the album and film are stinkers" - so, you think that both the album and film are stinkers, right? So, there must be a reason why you think they are stinkers.My question to you was, why do you think they are stinkers?




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MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote: So therefore calling my contributions crap and not valid
Can you please show me where I call your contributions crap and not valid, please?

You don't understand the word "think" pmp2 writes about, you don't understand my question, you don't understand the definitions of fact, opinion, valid. Is there something you DO understand?

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Err....your quote to me on page 2 "your contributions on this forum are crap".
And my question was: fact or opinion? Still waiting for an answer....

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So, you think my contributions to this forum are crap - so judging by your words is this your opinion or do you think that its a fact that my contributions are crap? Its either ome of the two.

Look forward to your reply!



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Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote: So therefore calling my contributions crap and not valid
Can you please show me where I call your contributions crap and not valid, please?

You don't understand the word "think" pmp2 writes about, you don't understand my question, you don't understand the definitions of fact, opinion, valid. Is there something you DO understand?

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Err....your quote to me on page 2 "your contributions on this forum are crap".
And my question was: fact or opinion? Still waiting for an answer....

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So, you think my contributions to this forum are crap - so judging by your words is this your opinion or do you think that its a fact that my contributions are crap? Its either ome of the two.

Look forward to your reply!

That's still no answer.
Please, try answering this simple question again:

Opinion or a fact: your contributions to this forum are crap.

It's the last time, than it's back on topic again for me. Some here are getting tired.
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it's a fact that there are many Elvis fans who share the opinion that some of the songs recorded at this session are not very good or whatever adjective you wish to use. I believe it is a fact that the sales of this album were low because many people had the opinion that the album was poor and did not want to spend their money on it. Based on interviews we read about, it is a fact that Elvis was frustrated at having to record many of these songs which in his opinion were rubbish. Mmmm. So all these opinions put together results in the fact that this album was not a big seller.
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emjel wrote:it's a fact that there are many Elvis fans who share the opinion that some of the songs recorded at this session are not very good or whatever adjective you wish to use. I believe it is a fact that the sales of this album were low because many people had the opinion that the album was poor and did not want to spend their money on it. Based on interviews we read about, it is a fact that Elvis was frustrated at having to record many of these songs which in his opinion were rubbish. Mmmm. So all these opinions put together results in the fact that this album was not a big seller.
I think I need a drink.

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"Many Elvis fans", what do you consider "many", how did you measure that?
"Sales of this album were low", what do you consider "low"?
You "believe" that it's a fact sales of this album were low because "many" people had the opinion...? How many people did you ask?
What do you consider "not a big seller"? 10? 100? 1000? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000?
What interviews did "we" read? And who are "we"?

Just joking :wink:

Its a fact that I want a drink right now :D

Cheers!!!

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MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote: So therefore calling my contributions crap and not valid
Can you please show me where I call your contributions crap and not valid, please?

You don't understand the word "think" pmp2 writes about, you don't understand my question, you don't understand the definitions of fact, opinion, valid. Is there something you DO understand?

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Err....your quote to me on page 2 "your contributions on this forum are crap".
And my question was: fact or opinion? Still waiting for an answer....

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So, you think my contributions to this forum are crap - so judging by your words is this your opinion or do you think that its a fact that my contributions are crap? Its either ome of the two.

Look forward to your reply!

That's still no answer.
Please, try answering this simple question again:

Opinion or a fact: your contributions to this forum are crap.

It's the last time, than it's back on topic again for me. Some here are getting tired.
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I don't know what your expecting me to answer, and i don't think i need to answer.

But i'm still waiting for you to answer the question that my contributions are crap. So for the last time, is it your opinion or do you think its a fact that my contributions are crap? You said it so its you who needs to answer, but i'm not hoping.




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Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote: So therefore calling my contributions crap and not valid
Can you please show me where I call your contributions crap and not valid, please?

You don't understand the word "think" pmp2 writes about, you don't understand my question, you don't understand the definitions of fact, opinion, valid. Is there something you DO understand?

.
Err....your quote to me on page 2 "your contributions on this forum are crap".
And my question was: fact or opinion? Still waiting for an answer....

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So, you think my contributions to this forum are crap - so judging by your words is this your opinion or do you think that its a fact that my contributions are crap? Its either ome of the two.

Look forward to your reply!

That's still no answer.
Please, try answering this simple question again:

Opinion or a fact: your contributions to this forum are crap.

It's the last time, than it's back on topic again for me. Some here are getting tired.
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I don't know what your expecting me to answer, and i don't think i need to answer.

But i'm still waiting for you to answer the question that my contributions are crap. So for the last time, is it your opinion or do you think its a fact that my contributions are crap? You said it so its you who needs to answer, but i'm not hoping.
I fail to fathom how you are so incapable of processing a simple question. You were provided with a statement, and you were asked to tell us whether the statement was fact or opinion. The idea was to ascertain whether you knew the difference between the two. It was a hypothetical comment. Forget the answer, you have now proven you didn't even understand the question.

So, let me help you and put it in simpler terms.

If someone on this forum says that your posts are crap, is it:

(a) an opinion
(b) a fact

That's the question. No-one is saying your posts ARE crap (who would even suggest such a thing?) but whether you know whether the statement is an opinion or a fact. You need only reply with the letter "A" or "B".




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poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote:
MikeFromHolland wrote:
Davelee wrote: So therefore calling my contributions crap and not valid
Can you please show me where I call your contributions crap and not valid, please?

You don't understand the word "think" pmp2 writes about, you don't understand my question, you don't understand the definitions of fact, opinion, valid. Is there something you DO understand?

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Err....your quote to me on page 2 "your contributions on this forum are crap".
And my question was: fact or opinion? Still waiting for an answer....

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So, you think my contributions to this forum are crap - so judging by your words is this your opinion or do you think that its a fact that my contributions are crap? Its either ome of the two.

Look forward to your reply!

That's still no answer.
Please, try answering this simple question again:

Opinion or a fact: your contributions to this forum are crap.

It's the last time, than it's back on topic again for me. Some here are getting tired.
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I don't know what your expecting me to answer, and i don't think i need to answer.

But i'm still waiting for you to answer the question that my contributions are crap. So for the last time, is it your opinion or do you think its a fact that my contributions are crap? You said it so its you who needs to answer, but i'm not hoping.
I fail to fathom how you are so incapable of processing a simple question. You were provided with a statement, and you were asked to tell us whether the statement was fact or opinion. The idea was to ascertain whether you knew the difference between the two. It was a hypothetical comment. Forget the answer, you have now proven you didn't even understand the question.

So, let me help you and put it in simpler terms.

If someone on this forum says that your posts are crap, is it:

(a) an opinion
(b) a fact

That's the question. No-one is saying your posts ARE crap (who would even suggest such a thing?) but whether you know whether the statement is an opinion or a fact. You need only reply with the letter "A" or "B".
I fail to fathom to understand for a guy thats written 4 books can not understand English properly and gets things all twisted and wrong.

Btw, you haven't answered my question from my response to your reply above this one. Or is it you have deliberately avoided it because you can't answer it and realised how silly you've been acting?




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Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think both album and film are stinkers
Is it a fact that the album and the film are stinkers or is it just an opinion?
Which part of the words I THINK do you not understand?
Lol. :facep: Which part of your words do you not understand? Your quote: "don't get me wrong, i think both the album and film are stinkers" - so, you think that both the album and film are stinkers, right? So, there must be a reason why you think they are stinkers.My question to you was, why do you think they are stinkers?
If you're really interested, the script has a second-hand feeling to it, trying to emulate the success of Blue Hawaii, GGG, and the like, but fails because the pacing of the film is slower and characters seem to be lacking any...well...character. Elvis himself appears to be bored and barely going through the motions, the cinematography doesn't hold a candle to that used in, say, Blue Hawaii or the other travelogues since then, and the direction is tired and by-the-book. Even the final "Drums of the Islands" sequence lacks any real excitement - for me, at least. Likewise, the soundtrack suffers from similar issues, with the songs being simply imitations of those used in Blue Hawaii - and, whereas that film sometimes used Hawaiian standards, this one attempts to create carbon copies that are lacking harmonically, melodically and lyrically. What's more, Elvis isn't in particularly good voice, with a mild hoarseness in his tone and an added vibrato that, more often that not, is linked to sessions where we know Elvis was bored and only in the studio because he needed to get a job done.

But all of that is OPINION - as I made clear from the very beginning.
opinion
noun
a thought or belief about something or someone
fact
noun
something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists
But the quality of the film was not, and IS not, what this thread is about or ever intended to be about, so quite why you invaded it and sent it down that path for no apparent reason is something I fail to understand.

Now, apparently I have things twisted and wrong and I don't understand English. Perhaps you could explain. And that's five books, not four. Thanks.




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poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think both album and film are stinkers
Is it a fact that the album and the film are stinkers or is it just an opinion?
Which part of the words I THINK do you not understand?
Lol. :facep: Which part of your words do you not understand? Your quote: "don't get me wrong, i think both the album and film are stinkers" - so, you think that both the album and film are stinkers, right? So, there must be a reason why you think they are stinkers.My question to you was, why do you think they are stinkers?
If you're really interested, the script has a second-hand feeling to it, trying to emulate the success of Blue Hawaii, GGG, and the like, but fails because the pacing of the film is slower and characters seem to be lacking any...well...character. Elvis himself appears to be bored and barely going through the motions, the cinematography doesn't hold a candle to that used in, say, Blue Hawaii or the other travelogues since then, and the direction is tired and by-the-book. Even the final "Drums of the Islands" sequence lacks any real excitement - for me, at least. Likewise, the soundtrack suffers from similar issues, with the songs being simply imitations of those used in Blue Hawaii - and, whereas that film sometimes used Hawaiian standards, this one attempts to create carbon copies that are lacking harmonically, melodically and lyrically. What's more, Elvis isn't in particularly good voice, with a mild hoarseness in his tone and an added vibrato that, more often that not, is linked to sessions where we know Elvis was bored and only in the studio because he needed to get a job done.

But all of that is OPINION - hence why I made it very clear in my comment that I THOUGHT the film was a "stinker".

But the quality of the film was not, and IS not, what this thread is about or ever intended to be about, so quite why you invaded it and sent it down that path for no apparent reason is something I fail to understand.
So, basically your opinion is the film and soundtrack is rubbish, or in your words "a stinker" which is basically another word for rubbish, and put those two words together and you get "crap". So really it is a fact the film is "rubbish", "stinker" or "crap" due to poor script, poor acting, poor songs etc and all this is fact. Amen.




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Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think both album and film are stinkers
Is it a fact that the album and the film are stinkers or is it just an opinion?
Which part of the words I THINK do you not understand?
Lol. :facep: Which part of your words do you not understand? Your quote: "don't get me wrong, i think both the album and film are stinkers" - so, you think that both the album and film are stinkers, right? So, there must be a reason why you think they are stinkers.My question to you was, why do you think they are stinkers?
If you're really interested, the script has a second-hand feeling to it, trying to emulate the success of Blue Hawaii, GGG, and the like, but fails because the pacing of the film is slower and characters seem to be lacking any...well...character. Elvis himself appears to be bored and barely going through the motions, the cinematography doesn't hold a candle to that used in, say, Blue Hawaii or the other travelogues since then, and the direction is tired and by-the-book. Even the final "Drums of the Islands" sequence lacks any real excitement - for me, at least. Likewise, the soundtrack suffers from similar issues, with the songs being simply imitations of those used in Blue Hawaii - and, whereas that film sometimes used Hawaiian standards, this one attempts to create carbon copies that are lacking harmonically, melodically and lyrically. What's more, Elvis isn't in particularly good voice, with a mild hoarseness in his tone and an added vibrato that, more often that not, is linked to sessions where we know Elvis was bored and only in the studio because he needed to get a job done.

But all of that is OPINION - hence why I made it very clear in my comment that I THOUGHT the film was a "stinker".

But the quality of the film was not, and IS not, what this thread is about or ever intended to be about, so quite why you invaded it and sent it down that path for no apparent reason is something I fail to understand.
So, basically your opinion is the film and soundtrack is rubbish, or in your words "a stinker" which is basically another word for rubbish, and put those two words together and you get "crap". So really it is a fact the film is "rubbish", "stinker" or "crap" due to poor script, poor acting, poor songs etc and all this is fact. Amen.
No, it's an opinion.

Opinion does not equal fact.

It doesn't matter how many people agree with that opinion, it doesn't make it a fact. Acting, singing, directing, script quality is all subjective - it can't be measured into definitive categories of good or bad - unless of course you can find an agreed upon way of measuring them, which you won't be able to.

I fail to believe that a man of your age and apparent intelligence (that's an opinion, not a fact) does not and will not understand the difference. I don't make the accusation very often, and in fact I don't think I ever have before on this board, but you are just a troll, here to cause rancour and wind people up, and the best course of action is that nobody reply to your posts.



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poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think both album and film are stinkers
Is it a fact that the album and the film are stinkers or is it just an opinion?
Which part of the words I THINK do you not understand?
Lol. :facep: Which part of your words do you not understand? Your quote: "don't get me wrong, i think both the album and film are stinkers" - so, you think that both the album and film are stinkers, right? So, there must be a reason why you think they are stinkers.My question to you was, why do you think they are stinkers?
If you're really interested, the script has a second-hand feeling to it, trying to emulate the success of Blue Hawaii, GGG, and the like, but fails because the pacing of the film is slower and characters seem to be lacking any...well...character. Elvis himself appears to be bored and barely going through the motions, the cinematography doesn't hold a candle to that used in, say, Blue Hawaii or the other travelogues since then, and the direction is tired and by-the-book. Even the final "Drums of the Islands" sequence lacks any real excitement - for me, at least. Likewise, the soundtrack suffers from similar issues, with the songs being simply imitations of those used in Blue Hawaii - and, whereas that film sometimes used Hawaiian standards, this one attempts to create carbon copies that are lacking harmonically, melodically and lyrically. What's more, Elvis isn't in particularly good voice, with a mild hoarseness in his tone and an added vibrato that, more often that not, is linked to sessions where we know Elvis was bored and only in the studio because he needed to get a job done.

But all of that is OPINION - hence why I made it very clear in my comment that I THOUGHT the film was a "stinker".

But the quality of the film was not, and IS not, what this thread is about or ever intended to be about, so quite why you invaded it and sent it down that path for no apparent reason is something I fail to understand.
So, basically your opinion is the film and soundtrack is rubbish, or in your words "a stinker" which is basically another word for rubbish, and put those two words together and you get "crap". So really it is a fact the film is "rubbish", "stinker" or "crap" due to poor script, poor acting, poor songs etc and all this is fact. Amen.
No, it's an opinion.

Opinion does not equal fact.

It doesn't matter how many people agree with that opinion, it doesn't make it a fact. Acting, singing, directing, script quality is all subjective - it can't be measured into definitive categories of good or bad - unless of course you can find an agreed upon way of measuring them, which you won't be able to.

I fail to believe that a man of your age and apparent intelligence (that's an opinion, not a fact) does not and will not understand the difference. I don't make the accusation very often, and in fact I don't think I ever have before on this board, but you are just a troll, here to cause rancour and wind people up, and the best course of action is that nobody reply to your posts.
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Re: Paradise Hawaiian Style Sessions - Full Of Talents!

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MikeFromHolland wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think both album and film are stinkers
Is it a fact that the album and the film are stinkers or is it just an opinion?
Which part of the words I THINK do you not understand?
Lol. :facep: Which part of your words do you not understand? Your quote: "don't get me wrong, i think both the album and film are stinkers" - so, you think that both the album and film are stinkers, right? So, there must be a reason why you think they are stinkers.My question to you was, why do you think they are stinkers?
If you're really interested, the script has a second-hand feeling to it, trying to emulate the success of Blue Hawaii, GGG, and the like, but fails because the pacing of the film is slower and characters seem to be lacking any...well...character. Elvis himself appears to be bored and barely going through the motions, the cinematography doesn't hold a candle to that used in, say, Blue Hawaii or the other travelogues since then, and the direction is tired and by-the-book. Even the final "Drums of the Islands" sequence lacks any real excitement - for me, at least. Likewise, the soundtrack suffers from similar issues, with the songs being simply imitations of those used in Blue Hawaii - and, whereas that film sometimes used Hawaiian standards, this one attempts to create carbon copies that are lacking harmonically, melodically and lyrically. What's more, Elvis isn't in particularly good voice, with a mild hoarseness in his tone and an added vibrato that, more often that not, is linked to sessions where we know Elvis was bored and only in the studio because he needed to get a job done.

But all of that is OPINION - hence why I made it very clear in my comment that I THOUGHT the film was a "stinker".

But the quality of the film was not, and IS not, what this thread is about or ever intended to be about, so quite why you invaded it and sent it down that path for no apparent reason is something I fail to understand.
So, basically your opinion is the film and soundtrack is rubbish, or in your words "a stinker" which is basically another word for rubbish, and put those two words together and you get "crap". So really it is a fact the film is "rubbish", "stinker" or "crap" due to poor script, poor acting, poor songs etc and all this is fact. Amen.
No, it's an opinion.

Opinion does not equal fact.

It doesn't matter how many people agree with that opinion, it doesn't make it a fact. Acting, singing, directing, script quality is all subjective - it can't be measured into definitive categories of good or bad - unless of course you can find an agreed upon way of measuring them, which you won't be able to.

I fail to believe that a man of your age and apparent intelligence (that's an opinion, not a fact) does not and will not understand the difference. I don't make the accusation very often, and in fact I don't think I ever have before on this board, but you are just a troll, here to cause rancour and wind people up, and the best course of action is that nobody reply to your posts.
Amen.

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Exactly....a troll.


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Re: Paradise Hawaiian Style Sessions - Full Of Talents!

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poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Davelee wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I think both album and film are stinkers
Is it a fact that the album and the film are stinkers or is it just an opinion?
Which part of the words I THINK do you not understand?
Lol. :facep: Which part of your words do you not understand? Your quote: "don't get me wrong, i think both the album and film are stinkers" - so, you think that both the album and film are stinkers, right? So, there must be a reason why you think they are stinkers.My question to you was, why do you think they are stinkers?
If you're really interested, the script has a second-hand feeling to it, trying to emulate the success of Blue Hawaii, GGG, and the like, but fails because the pacing of the film is slower and characters seem to be lacking any...well...character. Elvis himself appears to be bored and barely going through the motions, the cinematography doesn't hold a candle to that used in, say, Blue Hawaii or the other travelogues since then, and the direction is tired and by-the-book. Even the final "Drums of the Islands" sequence lacks any real excitement - for me, at least. Likewise, the soundtrack suffers from similar issues, with the songs being simply imitations of those used in Blue Hawaii - and, whereas that film sometimes used Hawaiian standards, this one attempts to create carbon copies that are lacking harmonically, melodically and lyrically. What's more, Elvis isn't in particularly good voice, with a mild hoarseness in his tone and an added vibrato that, more often that not, is linked to sessions where we know Elvis was bored and only in the studio because he needed to get a job done.

But all of that is OPINION - hence why I made it very clear in my comment that I THOUGHT the film was a "stinker".

But the quality of the film was not, and IS not, what this thread is about or ever intended to be about, so quite why you invaded it and sent it down that path for no apparent reason is something I fail to understand.
So, basically your opinion is the film and soundtrack is rubbish, or in your words "a stinker" which is basically another word for rubbish, and put those two words together and you get "crap". So really it is a fact the film is "rubbish", "stinker" or "crap" due to poor script, poor acting, poor songs etc and all this is fact. Amen.
No, it's an opinion.

Opinion does not equal fact.

It doesn't matter how many people agree with that opinion, it doesn't make it a fact. Acting, singing, directing, script quality is all subjective - it can't be measured into definitive categories of good or bad - unless of course you can find an agreed upon way of measuring them, which you won't be able to.

I fail to believe that a man of your age and apparent intelligence (that's an opinion, not a fact) does not and will not understand the difference. I don't make the accusation very often, and in fact I don't think I ever have before on this board, but you are just a troll, here to cause rancour and wind people up, and the best course of action is that nobody reply to your posts.
It is a fact the film is crap! Poor sales, Poor acting, Poor Songs, Poor script (not much of a script to speak of) no decent casting, poor performances all round, contribute the fact that the film is crap. Amen.

Btw, how would you know my age? Yes, i have intelligence that is a fact not an opinion, in fact everybody has intelligence no matter how high or low, we all have it and thats a fact not an opinion.




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Davelee wrote:[
It is a fact the film is crap! Poor sales, Poor acting, Poor Songs, Poor script (not much of a script to speak of) no decent casting, poor performances all round, contribute the fact that the film is crap. Amen.

Btw, how would you know my age? Yes, i have intelligence that is a fact not an opinion, in fact everybody has intelligence no matter how high or low, we all have it and thats a fact not an opinion.
Blah blah blah.

Carry on, all you want.

Nobody is going to reply to you.



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Re: Paradise Hawaiian Style Sessions - Full Of Talents!

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King creole was filmed in Black & White - Fact
I think King Creole is a good film - Opinion
Paradise Hawaiian Style was filmed in Colour - Fact
I think Paradise Hawaiian Style is a somewhat poor film - Opinion or
I think Paradise Hawaiian Style is a great film - Opinion.

There is a consensus of opinion amongst fans that Paradise Hawaiian Style is a poor film. Lots of opinions which maybe pushes people into thinking that it is a fact, but it is a lot of people all agreeing about something and having the same opinions, but not a fact.

Does that work? My head hurts again.


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emjel wrote:King creole was filmed in Black & White - Fact
I think King Creole is a good film - Opinion
Paradise Hawaiian Style was filmed in Colour - Fact
I think Paradise Hawaiian Style is a somewhat poor film - Opinion or
I think Paradise Hawaiian Style is a great film - Opinion.

There is a consensus of opinion amongst fans that Paradise Hawaiian Style is a poor film. Lots of opinions which maybe pushes people into thinking that it is a fact, but it is a lot of people all agreeing about something and having the same opinions, but not a fact.

Does that work? My head hurts again.
Sounds fine with me :D

Only parts that can be questioned is "there is a consensus": always be aware of a false sense of consensus because of possible group or peer pressure which may lead to self censorship, like "they will laugh at me when I admit I like this film. To avoid this I will say I don't like it either". Or: "I'm not cool if I say I like it".
And: "lots of opinions" >> how many? how was this measured? Aren't you biased? Etc.


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