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For more info on Paradise Hawaiian Style talent, see my thread "Elvis and Silent Films!"

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93755




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Juan Luis wrote:
matilda wrote:Sorry.but no.surely on songs like stand by me his voice is delicate but not more the silkness of the early 60s.
The lighthearted way and effortlessnes bouncing from the high notes to the deep notes on a masterful piece like I believe in the man in the sky he would not have been able to deliver in 1966.
What he lacks in silkiness from the early 60's he compensates with feeling by 1966. Still great vocals.
1.that was not my point. It was a statement, that 1966 can't be compared to 1961
2.i disagree, just because his voice sounded different in 1966 or 1968 doesn't automatically mean that he later on had more feeling, sorry felton.
Just take can't help falling in love or anything that's part of you. There is not automatically more feeling in 1966.
As much as nice your statements sounds. It doesn't make it more right.




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matilda wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
matilda wrote:Sorry.but no.surely on songs like stand by me his voice is delicate but not more the silkness of the early 60s.
The lighthearted way and effortlessnes bouncing from the high notes to the deep notes on a masterful piece like I believe in the man in the sky he would not have been able to deliver in 1966.
What he lacks in silkiness from the early 60's he compensates with feeling by 1966. Still great vocals.
1.that was not my point. It was a statement, that 1966 can't be compared to 1961
2.i disagree, just because his voice sounded different in 1966 or 1968 doesn't automatically mean that he later on had more feeling, sorry felton.
Just take can't help falling in love or anything that's part of you. There is not automatically more feeling in 1966.
As much as nice your statements sounds. It doesn't make it more right.
Neither does yours. Doesn't have to do with Felton. He matured more by 1966, and songs that I stated go with the voice perfectly. There is no (wish he had done it with a 1960 voice) on many 1966-69 recordings, including "Stand By Me". A tiny bit less sugar and more edge helped, in my opinion.
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You didn't read my post . He didn't had more "feeling"in 1966. Just a different voice.period.
Ps.: and no.my statement makes more sense than yours.
But i forgot.in 1966 there was felton jarvis....and he surely tickled more feeling out of elvis under his great direction.
Juan, with all due respect. Its getting old.




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matilda wrote:You didn't read my post . He didn't had more "feeling"in 1966. Just a different voice.period.
For me he had more "feeling" coming with much more reading, and maturity. An example in 1968 CHFIL and LMT is performed live with much more feeling than the original "perfect" records. My take. And I wasn't even thinking of Felton. Going straight to Elvis only.
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Laughable. If you really think that those live versions with that garish orchestra in 1968 sounds better than the truly superior and perfect masters of lmt or can't help falling in love from 1961....i can't help you or take you serious anymore,
Ps.:you contradict yourself. If something is perfect in 1961....it can't be bettered in 1968.




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matilda wrote:Laughable. If you realy think that those live versions with that garish orchestra in 1968 sounds better than the truly superior and perfect masters of lmt or can't help falling in love from 1961....i can't help you or take you serious anymore,
Did I mention orchestra? I just mentioned the vocals. He had much more feeling there. A record is a record. This is just a performance that is live but showed his maturity and whatever silkiness lacking...making up with feeling. Every year is important. And perfect with this " " means supposedly perfect.




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He did fine work in 1966, like Stand By Me. No doubt. Still, his voice is smaller and less flexible here than in 1960/62. That voice can't be beat. Feeling? He always had feeling, from How's The World Treating You to It's Easy For You.

I will never understand anyone thinking the 1968 version of Can't Help Falling In Love, in that very low key, is better than the stunning, perfect, 1961 studio version. I've read it numerous times on these pages and I'll never get it. A quick, two verse, live version in the middle of a medley is better than one of the greatest love ballads ever recorded. I don't think so.




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A studio version will almost always better any live version. But man did he have trouble getting those studio takes "perfect". Live versions were only done twice in 1968. Superb! Better? Of course not, its not the record. Feeling? Seemed to me, yes. But I won't get all worked up over it if everyone disagrees with me. No big deal.




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Thanks Juan. Yes, in 1961 Elvis was still very committed to doing virtually perfect records.




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Juan Luis wrote:
matilda wrote:Laughable. If you realy think that those live versions with that garish orchestra in 1968 sounds better than the truly superior and perfect masters of lmt or can't help falling in love from 1961....i can't help you or take you serious anymore,
Did I mention orchestra? I just mentioned the vocals. He had much more feeling there. A record is a record. This is just a performance that is live but showed his maturity and whatever silkiness lacking...making up with feeling. Every year is important. And perfect with this " " means supposedly perfect.
The orchestra just adds to it. The vocals on the 1968 holds no water to the original masters.
And if you said the originals were perfect than how can any other version better.
Anyhow, the 61 master is a triumph in every way. He never topped that one.



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fn2drive wrote:What is even sadder is that he surely knew they would be laughing at him. Tragic.
Why in the world would anyone laugh at "Queenie Wahine's Papaya" and the likes? It would have been a great concert song a few years later. Can you imagine how many scarves he could have tossed in the time it took to perform it?

A missed opportunity for Elvis and Charlie, if you ask me.


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