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goldbelt wrote:
emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:
emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:Not very keen on this track, Juan ............ do like some others on the album though.
emjel wrote:You might get fed up with people complaining about a certain song, but likewise, those who do recognise a song as being sub standard or poor, get fed up with continually reading how great a song is, when clearly it is not.
A certain song!?

It's the complaining about practically EVERY song that wasn't critically acclaimed or recorded when Elvis was at or near the top of his game.

The same complaints, by the same few people, topic after topic.


Again and again the 'celebrating mediocrity' or 'rose coloured glasses' nonsense is rolled out - to dismiss the simple fact that some people find elements to enjoy in performances that others don't.

And again, the erroneous point of "reading how great a song is" is made.

News just in - people who like Elvis' music attempting to discuss Elvis music they like on an Elvis discussion forum.

One has to wonder, what exactly they are striving to achieve with the same incessant, repetitious complaints on so many topics.
No different to those that continue to elevate sub standard tracks to the position of "great song" or "global smash hit". One has to wonder why they need to continually try to boost the merits of a song that are simply not there. You are entitled to like any song you choose but that does not automatically make it a classic. If you like Long Legged Girl, good for you but it isn't A Big Hunk Of Love as an example.
Oh and News Just In. If Elvis has ten Number 1 hits in a row and then suddenly only starts just getting into the Top 20 or Top 30 for the next few years, it doesn't take a genius to realise or accept that something is not as good as it was. Simples really.
Much of what you mention there is usually either offered in order to correct inaccuracies, or not even claimed in the first place.

Here's the difference.

It's fresh perspectives and sharing of information on different songs V's the same old points being repeated over and over, no matter what the song is.


Some display a seemingly incessant need to grade and label every performance, together with a disapproval of those that don't.

You can assume most of the contributors to these topics are aware of Elvis' career highs and lows - there's no need to spell it out over and over again.

Most appreciate the subjectivity in music and are interested in discussing elements in performances they enjoy that go beyond Long Legged Girl isn't A Big Hunk O' Love.
We are just going around in circles here. You can drill right down into the recordings of, as an example, Do The Clam or Long Legged Girl or Queenie Waheenie if you wish and discuss what you like about them until the cows come home. No problem. Others will say they do not like those songs for whatever reason. Even Elvis thought they were rubbish, but he had to do them for the movies. But there are some on here that will have you believe that they are Classics or Global Smash hits etc simply because they cannot accept that there were low points in Elvis' recording career or stage shows.
Unfortunately, you don't seem to be taking the points on board, at all.
And you don't seem to being making any valid ones. It strikes me that all you want to do is post a comment that you like a song and then either want everyone to agree with you or say absolutely nothing about it.


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Re: "A World Of Our Own"

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emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:
emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:
emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:Not very keen on this track, Juan ............ do like some others on the album though.
emjel wrote:You might get fed up with people complaining about a certain song, but likewise, those who do recognise a song as being sub standard or poor, get fed up with continually reading how great a song is, when clearly it is not.
A certain song!?

It's the complaining about practically EVERY song that wasn't critically acclaimed or recorded when Elvis was at or near the top of his game.

The same complaints, by the same few people, topic after topic.


Again and again the 'celebrating mediocrity' or 'rose coloured glasses' nonsense is rolled out - to dismiss the simple fact that some people find elements to enjoy in performances that others don't.

And again, the erroneous point of "reading how great a song is" is made.

News just in - people who like Elvis' music attempting to discuss Elvis music they like on an Elvis discussion forum.

One has to wonder, what exactly they are striving to achieve with the same incessant, repetitious complaints on so many topics.
No different to those that continue to elevate sub standard tracks to the position of "great song" or "global smash hit". One has to wonder why they need to continually try to boost the merits of a song that are simply not there. You are entitled to like any song you choose but that does not automatically make it a classic. If you like Long Legged Girl, good for you but it isn't A Big Hunk Of Love as an example.
Oh and News Just In. If Elvis has ten Number 1 hits in a row and then suddenly only starts just getting into the Top 20 or Top 30 for the next few years, it doesn't take a genius to realise or accept that something is not as good as it was. Simples really.
Much of what you mention there is usually either offered in order to correct inaccuracies, or not even claimed in the first place.

Here's the difference.

It's fresh perspectives and sharing of information on different songs V's the same old points being repeated over and over, no matter what the song is.


Some display a seemingly incessant need to grade and label every performance, together with a disapproval of those that don't.

You can assume most of the contributors to these topics are aware of Elvis' career highs and lows - there's no need to spell it out over and over again.

Most appreciate the subjectivity in music and are interested in discussing elements in performances they enjoy that go beyond Long Legged Girl isn't A Big Hunk O' Love.
We are just going around in circles here. You can drill right down into the recordings of, as an example, Do The Clam or Long Legged Girl or Queenie Waheenie if you wish and discuss what you like about them until the cows come home. No problem. Others will say they do not like those songs for whatever reason. Even Elvis thought they were rubbish, but he had to do them for the movies. But there are some on here that will have you believe that they are Classics or Global Smash hits etc simply because they cannot accept that there were low points in Elvis' recording career or stage shows.
Unfortunately, you don't seem to be taking the points on board, at all.
And you don't seem to being making any valid ones. It strikes me that all you want to do is post a comment that you like a song and then either want everyone to agree with you or say absolutely nothing about it.
I am not the only one to have made these, or similar points and observations. It seems you continue to miss them, or misinterpret them, as that is not what I was saying at all.

We can agree at least, that we are going round in circles ;)



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Re: "A World Of Our Own"

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Hi there!! :D :D :D.

It´s a nice little song that belongs to a nice soundtrack album too, although I rank Girls! Girls! Girls over this!.

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Elvis-It Happened At The World´s Fair lp. RCA Victor LPM-2697.

That said, I still prefer the songs: They Remind Me Too Much Of You or I´m Falling In Love Tonight over "A World Of Our Own". The sound quality on this lp may not be the best but Elvis smooth, velvet voice is a plus :smt020.

..

The Mono movie version sounds very nice with Elvis voice even more prominent with The Mello Men a little bit buried in the back, than compared to the Stereo counterpart 8). Bye for now :smt006.
mrbthebarber wrote:To me it's an OK song, it ain't rock n roll but it's one of the better movie ballads. A few of you have probably seen this topic I started on the mono vinyl of this song but some might not have -

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=92577&hilit=a+world+of+our+own+mono
P.S: mrbthebarber, Keith Flynn´s website looks like has been updated with the adding note that the lp Mono version has a laugh at the end :wink:.

Source: http://www.keithflynn.com/recording-sessions/620922.html#04


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Mike Windgren wrote:Hi there!! :D :D :D.

It´s a nice little song that belongs to a nice soundtrack album too, although I rank Girls! Girls! Girls over this!.

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Elvis-It Happened At The World´s Fair lp. RCA Victor LPM-2697.

That said, I still prefer the songs: They Remind Me Too Much Of You or I´m Falling In Love Tonight over "A World Of Our Own". The sound quality on this lp may not be the best but Elvis smooth, velvet voice is a plus :smt020.

..

The Mono movie version sounds very nice with Elvis voice even more prominent with The Mello Men a little bit buried in the back, than compared to the Stereo counterpart 8). Bye for now :smt006.
mrbthebarber wrote:To me it's an OK song, it ain't rock n roll but it's one of the better movie ballads. A few of you have probably seen this topic I started on the mono vinyl of this song but some might not have -

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=92577&hilit=a+world+of+our+own+mono
P.S: mrbthebarber, Keith Flynn´s website looks like has been updated with the adding note that the lp Mono version has a laugh at the end :wink:.

Source: http://www.keithflynn.com/recording-sessions/620922.html#04
Thanks Mike!




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Re: "A World Of Our Own"

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emjel wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
emjel wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
r&b wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Right.
Elvis deserved a lot better but didnt do much about it other than complain to Priscilla and some MM members, who I am sure agreed with him.
Whether Elvis "deserved a lot better" or not. We can enjoy these very nice ditties while our minds rest from the "approved" songs that many of us have played to no end. I do. And I'm sure I am not alone. I hope someday you'll join us. And the Elvis world will be as one! :)
I do not think you will ever get all fans to like all of the songs that he recorded. Personally I like the majority with many a lot more than others. Even the poorer songs I will still listen to as an album plays through, but there is one song that springs to mind that I do tend to hit the Next button and that is Hey Jude. It is not that the actual song is poor but Elvis' version where he clearly struggles and forgets the lyrics too by repeating the same verses.
The important thing is being able to know the difference between a song that you might like and the fact that it is a poor song especially by Elvis' standards. Simply elevating poor songs to the status of "great" or "classic" is where conflicts arise.

Show where this has been done. That's a valid argument if it existed. However, going to all the trouble of telling us how bad bla bla bla is very telling. Once or twice is not enough to argue against enjoying lesser non-classic songs? Right there!
I'm generalising on those points. You know as well as I do that there is a certain member on this forum that will elevate any poor recordings by Elvis to the status I have mentioned. And he has a little band of followers. As I said, you can like a song but that does not mean that it is a brilliant/great/classic song or recording.

You might get fed up with people complaining about a certain song, but likewise, those who do recognise a song as being sub standard or poor, get fed up with continually reading how great a song is, when clearly it is not.

On another current thread, someone has posted a stream of album cover shots to show how many albums Way Down was on. How desperate do people need to be to try and prove some kind of point. You need to understand that every time someone repeatedly says that a poor song is "great" you will get someone else or a realist argue that it is not. This is the difference in being a realist and someone who views Elvis' career in a somewhat obsessive way or via the proverbial "rise coloured glasses". I'm pleased you like a lot of the soundtrack songs - I do too, but I recognise that they are not as good or as strong as the songs that Elvis did between '56-'62 and '69-'70.
Excellent post!!!

Beautifully said and very accurate.




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Re: "A World Of Our Own"

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goldbelt wrote:
emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:
emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:Not very keen on this track, Juan ............ do like some others on the album though.
emjel wrote:You might get fed up with people complaining about a certain song, but likewise, those who do recognise a song as being sub standard or poor, get fed up with continually reading how great a song is, when clearly it is not.
A certain song!?

It's the complaining about practically EVERY song that wasn't critically acclaimed or recorded when Elvis was at or near the top of his game.

The same complaints, by the same few people, topic after topic.


Again and again the 'celebrating mediocrity' or 'rose coloured glasses' nonsense is rolled out - to dismiss the simple fact that some people find elements to enjoy in performances that others don't.

And again, the erroneous point of "reading how great a song is" is made.

News just in - people who like Elvis' music attempting to discuss Elvis music they like on an Elvis discussion forum.

One has to wonder, what exactly they are striving to achieve with the same incessant, repetitious complaints on so many topics.
No different to those that continue to elevate sub standard tracks to the position of "great song" or "global smash hit". One has to wonder why they need to continually try to boost the merits of a song that are simply not there. You are entitled to like any song you choose but that does not automatically make it a classic. If you like Long Legged Girl, good for you but it isn't A Big Hunk Of Love as an example.
Oh and News Just In. If Elvis has ten Number 1 hits in a row and then suddenly only starts just getting into the Top 20 or Top 30 for the next few years, it doesn't take a genius to realise or accept that something is not as good as it was. Simples really.
Much of what you mention there is usually either offered in order to correct inaccuracies, or not even claimed in the first place.

Here's the difference.

It's fresh perspectives and sharing of information on different songs V's the same old points being repeated over and over, no matter what the song is.


Some display a seemingly incessant need to grade and label every performance, together with a disapproval of those that don't.

You can assume most of the contributors to these topics are aware of Elvis' career highs and lows - there's no need to spell it out over and over again.

Most appreciate the subjectivity in music and are interested in discussing elements in performances they enjoy that go beyond Long Legged Girl isn't A Big Hunk O' Love.
We are just going around in circles here. You can drill right down into the recordings of, as an example, Do The Clam or Long Legged Girl or Queenie Waheenie if you wish and discuss what you like about them until the cows come home. No problem. Others will say they do not like those songs for whatever reason. Even Elvis thought they were rubbish, but he had to do them for the movies. But there are some on here that will have you believe that they are Classics or Global Smash hits etc simply because they cannot accept that there were low points in Elvis' recording career or stage shows.
Unfortunately, you don't seem to be taking the points on board, at all.
And you are most certainly not. Everything emjel as said is spot-on, you, plus others simply do not understand, this conversation on this topic proves that.



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Re: "A World Of Our Own"

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Juan Luis wrote:
Mike Windgren wrote:Hi there!! :D :D :D.

It´s a nice little song that belongs to a nice soundtrack album too, although I rank Girls! Girls! Girls over this!.

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Elvis-It Happened At The World´s Fair lp. RCA Victor LPM-2697.

That said, I still prefer the songs: They Remind Me Too Much Of You or I´m Falling In Love Tonight over "A World Of Our Own". The sound quality on this lp may not be the best but Elvis smooth, velvet voice is a plus :smt020.

..

The Mono movie version sounds very nice with Elvis voice even more prominent with The Mello Men a little bit buried in the back, than compared to the Stereo counterpart 8). Bye for now :smt006.
mrbthebarber wrote:To me it's an OK song, it ain't rock n roll but it's one of the better movie ballads. A few of you have probably seen this topic I started on the mono vinyl of this song but some might not have -

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=92577&hilit=a+world+of+our+own+mono
P.S: mrbthebarber, Keith Flynn´s website looks like has been updated with the adding note that the lp Mono version has a laugh at the end :wink:.

Source: http://www.keithflynn.com/recording-sessions/620922.html#04
Thanks Mike!
So that's what the album sleeve looks like.


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goldbelt wrote:
emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:
emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:
emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:Not very keen on this track, Juan ............ do like some others on the album though.
emjel wrote:You might get fed up with people complaining about a certain song, but likewise, those who do recognise a song as being sub standard or poor, get fed up with continually reading how great a song is, when clearly it is not.
A certain song!?

It's the complaining about practically EVERY song that wasn't critically acclaimed or recorded when Elvis was at or near the top of his game.

The same complaints, by the same few people, topic after topic.


Again and again the 'celebrating mediocrity' or 'rose coloured glasses' nonsense is rolled out - to dismiss the simple fact that some people find elements to enjoy in performances that others don't.

And again, the erroneous point of "reading how great a song is" is made.

News just in - people who like Elvis' music attempting to discuss Elvis music they like on an Elvis discussion forum.

One has to wonder, what exactly they are striving to achieve with the same incessant, repetitious complaints on so many topics.
No different to those that continue to elevate sub standard tracks to the position of "great song" or "global smash hit". One has to wonder why they need to continually try to boost the merits of a song that are simply not there. You are entitled to like any song you choose but that does not automatically make it a classic. If you like Long Legged Girl, good for you but it isn't A Big Hunk Of Love as an example.
Oh and News Just In. If Elvis has ten Number 1 hits in a row and then suddenly only starts just getting into the Top 20 or Top 30 for the next few years, it doesn't take a genius to realise or accept that something is not as good as it was. Simples really.
Much of what you mention there is usually either offered in order to correct inaccuracies, or not even claimed in the first place.

Here's the difference.

It's fresh perspectives and sharing of information on different songs V's the same old points being repeated over and over, no matter what the song is.


Some display a seemingly incessant need to grade and label every performance, together with a disapproval of those that don't.

You can assume most of the contributors to these topics are aware of Elvis' career highs and lows - there's no need to spell it out over and over again.

Most appreciate the subjectivity in music and are interested in discussing elements in performances they enjoy that go beyond Long Legged Girl isn't A Big Hunk O' Love.
We are just going around in circles here. You can drill right down into the recordings of, as an example, Do The Clam or Long Legged Girl or Queenie Waheenie if you wish and discuss what you like about them until the cows come home. No problem. Others will say they do not like those songs for whatever reason. Even Elvis thought they were rubbish, but he had to do them for the movies. But there are some on here that will have you believe that they are Classics or Global Smash hits etc simply because they cannot accept that there were low points in Elvis' recording career or stage shows.
Unfortunately, you don't seem to be taking the points on board, at all.
And you don't seem to being making any valid ones. It strikes me that all you want to do is post a comment that you like a song and then either want everyone to agree with you or say absolutely nothing about it.
I am not the only one to have made these, or similar points and observations. It seems you continue to miss them, or misinterpret them, as that is not what I was saying at all.

We can agree at least, that we are going round in circles ;)
Okay I'll try and make it real easy for you. What exactly do you want to do when you add a thread or add to a thread about a song? Please give an example of say any mid 60s song or single taken from a soundtrack album that you want to talk about. Hopefully we can then be clear where you are coming from.


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emjel wrote: I know it was you Mike and I was genuinely surprised that you went through all of that to try and disprove something that The Doc said.
I didn't try to disprove anything. Regardless of who said what I didn't know myself on which albums Way Down was on, so I googled, was surprised with what I found myself and shared the outcome under the heading "nice to know". We're here on this board to exchange insights aren't we? You guys turn coming up with facts or factual observations into a bad thing. Is that really what you want? If so, call it "trolling" next time again and you're done with just one word. It will save you time.


emjel wrote:You know as well as I do that this song was a big seller due to what happened on 16.08.77. And because of that, it's going to get included on some hit compilations along with Hound Dog and Its Now or Never etc. But if it wasn't for that tragic event back then, it's doubtful it would have been the hit it was and get included in favour of something else.
Might be true, might be not, but that doesn't change the facts does it?

Quote from wikipedia:
"Way Down" was reissued in April 2005 and reached No. 2 on the UK Singles Chart.

That's quite remarkable to say the least. And again: a fact.

I really don't care if Way Down was a hit yes/no and why it was or wasn't, who likes it, or dislikes it or what my family or friends think about the song. I'm a grownup man, I developed my own taste through the years and don't have to justify my taste to anybody. I like what I like and if someone has a different taste, good for them. But I do care about the facts. I appreciate when being corrected on facts. But people who do that seem to become a endangered species on this board. They rather ignore them than to stand corrected. They rather win an argument than an insight.


Talking about facts and factual observations: I noticed that you haven't posted on the topics like "Baby Let's Play House" with Bill Black 1963!, Walk A Mile In My Shoes or Money Honey. But you do post on subjects you obviously don't seem to like. No accusation of anything. But again: that's quite remarkable.

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MikeFromHolland wrote:
emjel wrote: I know it was you Mike and I was genuinely surprised that you went through all of that to try and disprove something that The Doc said.
I didn't try to disprove anything. Regardless of who said what I didn't know myself on which albums Way Down was on, so I googled, was surprised with what I found myself and shared the outcome under the heading "nice to know". We're here on this board to exchange insights aren't we? You guys turn coming up with facts or factual observations into a bad thing. Is that really what you want? If so, call it "trolling" next time again and you're done with just one word. It will save you time.
emjel wrote:You know as well as I do that this song was a big seller due to what happened on 16.08.77. And because of that, it's going to get included on some hit compilations along with Hound Dog and Its Now or Never etc. But if it wasn't for that tragic event back then, it's doubtful it would have been the hit it was and get included in favour of something else.
Might be true, might be not, but that doesn't change the facts does it?

Quote from wikipedia:
"Way Down" was reissued in April 2005 and reached No. 2 on the UK Singles Chart.

That's quite remarkable to say the least. And again: a fact.

Talking about facts and factual observations: I noticed that you haven't posted on the topics like "Baby Let's Play House" with Bill Black 1963!, Walk A Mile In My Shoes or Money Honey. But you do post on subjects you obviously don't seem to like. No accusation of anything. But again: that's quite remarkable.

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I haven't noticed any recent threads on those songs you mention. I just post on anything that might catch my eye. Maybe you can post the links as I am now curious.

Regarding the photos, okay you did it for other reasons, but it seemed somewhat co-incidental that further up the page, HR was going on about how Way Down was the usual recognised classic song adored by millions up millions and must be, because it is on so many compilation albums. The Doc came back and said he could only find one or two and that may be true for the US Market. Your post, regardless of whether it was intentional or not in relation to the above, simply added unnecessary fuel to HRs usual hyperbole surrounding elements of Elvis' career that are not so good.

Regarding the 2005 re-issue. Yes it's a fact. But we also know that it got there because of all the die hards queuing up outside their local HMV shop on a Monday morning to buy it and keep the box set collection going. I was one of them. So a bit like when it was first released, it was other circumstances that helped to get it up the charts and not the merit of the song.

Regarding us guys as you put it, I am sure I speak for others that you put into this pigeon hole, we recognise facts because it would be stupid not to. If a record hits #5 in the charts, we are not going to say it did not. Similarly if a song only reaches #25, we are not going to say it didn't chart at all. The point we are making, and you know this as well as I do, that Elvis records that did not do well in the charts is because they are not so good, especially those issued in the mid 60s and discussed on this forum, but there are others that insist that these records are still classics or global smash hits or whatever words they wish to use to elevate the merits of the song to unbelievable heights.

There are lots of Elvis songs that I like and I know that others would regard them as rubbish or crap. It's subjective. But I also recognise that many of these songs did not do Elvis any favours with the Record Buying Public nor those who reviewed them within the music press. I didn't like reading that the latest Elvis album was very poor for whatever reason, even though deep down, I knew that the comments were true. That is the point I am trying to make.


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emjel wrote: I haven't noticed any recent threads on those songs you mention. I just post on anything that might catch my eye. Maybe you can post the links as I am now curious.
C'mon, you can't be serious.

emjel wrote: Regarding the photos, okay you did it for other reasons, but it seemed somewhat co-incidental that further up the page, HR was going on about how Way Down was the usual recognised classic song adored by millions up millions and must be, because it is on so many compilation albums. The Doc came back and said he could only find one or two and that may be true for the US Market. Your post, regardless of whether it was intentional or not in relation to the above, simply added unnecessary fuel to HRs usual hyperbole surrounding elements of Elvis' career that are not so good.
Besides directly insulting a fellow FECC member, you're underlying message seems to be: "don't place facts in certain threads. People might read it, and use those facts in their arguments. And that is a wrong thing to do. The person who comes up with the facts is responsible for that". We call that censorship in the country I come from. A direct threat to the freedom of speech.

emjel wrote: Regarding the 2005 re-issue. Yes it's a fact.
Thank you.

emjel wrote: There are lots of Elvis songs that I like and I know that others would regard them as rubbish or crap. It's subjective.
And that's a fact as well. Regardless of what the "Record Buying Public" or "the music press" might say. 'Cause that's subjective too.


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emjel wrote: If you like Long Legged Girl, good for you but it isn't A Big Hunk Of Love as an example.
Why ?

If someone pefers Long Legged Girl,..then A Big Hunk Of Love isnt a Long Legged Girl. Its all a matter of taste. Same goes for live concerts. Its no rocket science.

What makes me sad is the fact that some here want to tell us what is good and was is bad. Dont you think we are old enough to decide for ourselves ?


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Ciscoking wrote:
emjel wrote: If you like Long Legged Girl, good for you but it isn't A Big Hunk Of Love as an example.
Why ?

If someone pefers Long Legged Girl,..then A Big Hunk Of Love isnt a Long Legged Girl. Its all a matter of taste. Same goes for live concerts. Its no rocket science.

What makes me sad is the fact that some here want to tell us what is good and was is bad. Dont you think we are old enough to decide for ourselves ?
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I used to feel a big hunk o' love for a long legged girl. Actually, I still do. She is my wife now :wink:

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Re: "A World Of Our Own"

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MikeFromHolland wrote:
emjel wrote: I haven't noticed any recent threads on those songs you mention. I just post on anything that might catch my eye. Maybe you can post the links as I am now curious.
C'mon, you can't be serious.

emjel wrote: Regarding the photos, okay you did it for other reasons, but it seemed somewhat co-incidental that further up the page, HR was going on about how Way Down was the usual recognised classic song adored by millions up millions and must be, because it is on so many compilation albums. The Doc came back and said he could only find one or two and that may be true for the US Market. Your post, regardless of whether it was intentional or not in relation to the above, simply added unnecessary fuel to HRs usual hyperbole surrounding elements of Elvis' career that are not so good.
Besides directly insulting a fellow FECC member, you're underlying message seems to be: "don't place facts in certain threads. People might read it, and use those facts in their arguments. And that is a wrong thing to do. The person who comes up with the facts is responsible for that". We call that censorship in the country I come from. A direct threat to the freedom of speech.

emjel wrote: Regarding the 2005 re-issue. Yes it's a fact.
Thank you.

emjel wrote: There are lots of Elvis songs that I like and I know that others would regard them as rubbish or crap. It's subjective.
And that's a fact as well. Regardless of what the "Record Buying Public" or "the music press" might say. 'Cause that's subjective too.


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I can't be serious in asking you to post the links or what? Not sure what you mean there.

The fact that you effectively implied I was a troll because of my postings seems similar to your thoughts on me directly insulting an FECC member. I might agree if I attacked him directly on his thread by calling him something but because I do not agree with his hyperbole claims etc does not mean I have insulted him. I have not called him any names etc and never would.

And it's a fact that several of Elvis' songs did not do well on the charts due to the poor nature of the songs resulting in poor sales. The difference is that I and others recognise these facts and do not try to distort them by claiming that they are global smash hits and adored by millions upon millions. And the subjective thoughts, as you put it, of the Record Buying Public and reviewers did not help thus causing low sales too. And that's another fact.

It does seem strange that whilst you keep going on about facts, that you cannot seemingly admit to the fact that the 2005 re-issue of Way Down only got to #2 because of the die-hards and not through the merits of the song.

As I keep trying to say, there is nothing wrong with using facts, but what is wrong is when a person will still not admit that certain facts, as in Elvis' case regarding poorer chart placings, that the songs released are not as good as other periods of his career. And the fact that Elvis thought many of his soundtrack songs were poor, whilst being somewhat subjective, surely means that we cannot all be wrong in our thoughts. Elvis thought they were poor, some fans thought they were poor, the general record buying public thought they were poor, the reviewers thought they were poor. Subjective maybe, but the chart positions and sales would indicate there is an element of fact here.

Anyhow, I'm off to find these other threads you have mentioned. Please forgive me if I do not find them immedaitely but I have other things to do but I think I'll sign off from this thread now as I feel I have exhausted my comments. Later I'm going to play the next 3 albums from the 60 CD box set that I am working through which includes It Hapoened At The Worlds Fair.


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emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:
emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:
emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:
emjel wrote:
goldbelt wrote:Not very keen on this track, Juan ............ do like some others on the album though.
emjel wrote:You might get fed up with people complaining about a certain song, but likewise, those who do recognise a song as being sub standard or poor, get fed up with continually reading how great a song is, when clearly it is not.
A certain song!?

It's the complaining about practically EVERY song that wasn't critically acclaimed or recorded when Elvis was at or near the top of his game.

The same complaints, by the same few people, topic after topic.


Again and again the 'celebrating mediocrity' or 'rose coloured glasses' nonsense is rolled out - to dismiss the simple fact that some people find elements to enjoy in performances that others don't.

And again, the erroneous point of "reading how great a song is" is made.

News just in - people who like Elvis' music attempting to discuss Elvis music they like on an Elvis discussion forum.

One has to wonder, what exactly they are striving to achieve with the same incessant, repetitious complaints on so many topics.
No different to those that continue to elevate sub standard tracks to the position of "great song" or "global smash hit". One has to wonder why they need to continually try to boost the merits of a song that are simply not there. You are entitled to like any song you choose but that does not automatically make it a classic. If you like Long Legged Girl, good for you but it isn't A Big Hunk Of Love as an example.
Oh and News Just In. If Elvis has ten Number 1 hits in a row and then suddenly only starts just getting into the Top 20 or Top 30 for the next few years, it doesn't take a genius to realise or accept that something is not as good as it was. Simples really.
Much of what you mention there is usually either offered in order to correct inaccuracies, or not even claimed in the first place.

Here's the difference.

It's fresh perspectives and sharing of information on different songs V's the same old points being repeated over and over, no matter what the song is.


Some display a seemingly incessant need to grade and label every performance, together with a disapproval of those that don't.

You can assume most of the contributors to these topics are aware of Elvis' career highs and lows - there's no need to spell it out over and over again.

Most appreciate the subjectivity in music and are interested in discussing elements in performances they enjoy that go beyond Long Legged Girl isn't A Big Hunk O' Love.
We are just going around in circles here. You can drill right down into the recordings of, as an example, Do The Clam or Long Legged Girl or Queenie Waheenie if you wish and discuss what you like about them until the cows come home. No problem. Others will say they do not like those songs for whatever reason. Even Elvis thought they were rubbish, but he had to do them for the movies. But there are some on here that will have you believe that they are Classics or Global Smash hits etc simply because they cannot accept that there were low points in Elvis' recording career or stage shows.
Unfortunately, you don't seem to be taking the points on board, at all.
And you don't seem to being making any valid ones. It strikes me that all you want to do is post a comment that you like a song and then either want everyone to agree with you or say absolutely nothing about it.
I am not the only one to have made these, or similar points and observations. It seems you continue to miss them, or misinterpret them, as that is not what I was saying at all.

We can agree at least, that we are going round in circles ;)
Okay I'll try and make it real easy for you. What exactly do you want to do when you add a thread or add to a thread about a song? Please give an example of say any mid 60s song or single taken from a soundtrack album that you want to talk about. Hopefully we can then be clear where you are coming from.
Oh dear. Could the condescension in your reply be any more misplaced - there is absolutely no ambiguity in what I have been saying in my replies.



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Hi there!! :D :D :D.
Juan Luis wrote:
Mike Windgren wrote:
It´s a nice little song that belongs to a nice soundtrack album too, although I rank Girls! Girls! Girls over this!.

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Elvis-It Happened At The World´s Fair lp. RCA Victor LPM-2697.

That said, I still prefer the songs: They Remind Me Too Much Of You or I´m Falling In Love Tonight over "A World Of Our Own". The sound quality on this lp may not be the best but Elvis smooth, velvet voice is a plus :smt020.

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The Mono movie version sounds very nice with Elvis voice even more prominent with The Mello Men a little bit buried in the back, than compared to the Stereo counterpart 8). Bye for now :smt006.
mrbthebarber wrote:To me it's an OK song, it ain't rock n roll but it's one of the better movie ballads. A few of you have probably seen this topic I started on the mono vinyl of this song but some might not have -

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=92577&hilit=a+world+of+our+own+mono
P.S: mrbthebarber, Keith Flynn´s website looks like has been updated with the adding note that the lp Mono version has a laugh at the end :wink:.

Source: http://www.keithflynn.com/recording-sessions/620922.html#04
Thanks Mike!
You´re welcome Juan! ::rocks. Bye for now :smt006.


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