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emjel wrote:
jetblack wrote:
emjel wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
emjel wrote:
Hard Rocker wrote:Not his greatest year Stateside (as we are gleefully reminded here on a daily basis) but right throughout his alleged time as a "washed-up train-wreck, blah blah blah", Presley continued having substantial chart success right across the planet, thus relegating the incessant negatron diatribe to its natural and rightful home in the trashcan of failed rhetoric.

And as long as we're talking charts, I'll add that Do The Clam was a number one smash for The King in Japan back in '65. Personally, I've always liked the song and it's no surprise that it became a chart-topper somewhere.

Important to note that when you're the world's biggest star, influence doesn't end at the borders of your own country... and a few dodgy movies doesn't wipe out a near decade of quality. People's memories aren't that short. In any case, the start of the Comeback was just around the corner in '66. But how many others would've cut off their arm for Presley's continuing worldwide successes in 64/65? Even when far from firing on all cylinders, he was still The King... then, as now.
Oh dear. Obviously swallowed a dictionary. I thought the comeback happened at the end of 68. Apart from the How Great Thou Art sessions in 66, what other elements of a comeback were there. Oh yes in 67, we had Old Macdonald, Long Legged Girl followed by other mind blowing songs, Clambake and Confidence to name a few. Yep the comeback was in full swing. Of course much of Elvis' chart success during this time was purely down to his fan base who would buy anything - it certainly cannot be attributed to strong song material.
Try to be fair. You conspicuously do not mention the Guitar Man ,Big Boss Man, Hi Heeled Sneakers, Just Call Me Lonesome, US Male which was the pre-comeback. Irony and sarcasm in red.
A few scattered songs that didn't really set the world on fire. Sure it was a slight change in direction and one for the better but then went back to You're Time Hasn't Come Yet Baby, He's Your Uncle etc.
It seems like you are mixing Elvis' studio work with his film soundtracks - they are too different entities.

This excellent CD should put things in perspective.

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Too Much Monkey Business
Guitar Man
Tomorrow Is a Long Time
U.S. Male
Big Boss Man
Love Letters
Indescribably Blue
Fools Fall in Love
Hi Heel Sneakers
Down in the Alley
Come What May (You Are Mine)
Mine
Just Call Me Lonesome
You Don't Know Me
Stay Away
Singing Tree
Goin' Home
I'll Remember You

Andy
Yes a good compilation album. Pity it was not release at the period we are talking about as the general public had no idea as all they were getting at that time apart from How Great Thou Art were soundtrack albums. In March '65 when Do The Clam was out (which is the title of this thread) there was no comeback around the corner. There were some gems(once again more so for Elvis fans than Joe Public) in the ensuing period but there was no proper comeback until the NBC TV show often called the Comeback Special. I do not have a problem with the soundtrack albums like many do - they were done to fit in with the script of each film, and there was no other artist who could handle many of these tracks in the way Elvis could, but they did not help Elvis at all as a serious recording artist and even Elvis himself was frustrated at the songs he was having to record.
Some would have us believe that Elvis was finished in the mid-60's - the facts as always prove different. Though some want to diminish these. 'Whether it is the 'Roustabout' LP hitting Number 1 in the USA in '64, 'Crying In The Chapel' (UK #1) and 'Do The Clam' (Malaysia #1) in '65. The Adult Contemporary chart where Elvis had number 1 singles with 'I'm Yours' (3 weeks), 'Crying In the Chapel' (7 weeks) and 'Such An Easy Question (2 weeks) all in 1965. And not forgetting a grammy award winning album with 'How Great Thou Art'.

Many lesser stars would have been thrilled by these achievements.

And as I have previously stated in 1965, 1966 & 1967 Elvis was still unbeatable in the yearly New Musical Express (NME) poll winning both:-

World Male Singer and World Music Personality - Proof indeed he wasn't forgotten or irrelevant.

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jetblack wrote:
emjel wrote:
jetblack wrote:
emjel wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
emjel wrote:
Hard Rocker wrote:Not his greatest year Stateside (as we are gleefully reminded here on a daily basis) but right throughout his alleged time as a "washed-up train-wreck, blah blah blah", Presley continued having substantial chart success right across the planet, thus relegating the incessant negatron diatribe to its natural and rightful home in the trashcan of failed rhetoric.

And as long as we're talking charts, I'll add that Do The Clam was a number one smash for The King in Japan back in '65. Personally, I've always liked the song and it's no surprise that it became a chart-topper somewhere.

Important to note that when you're the world's biggest star, influence doesn't end at the borders of your own country... and a few dodgy movies doesn't wipe out a near decade of quality. People's memories aren't that short. In any case, the start of the Comeback was just around the corner in '66. But how many others would've cut off their arm for Presley's continuing worldwide successes in 64/65? Even when far from firing on all cylinders, he was still The King... then, as now.
Oh dear. Obviously swallowed a dictionary. I thought the comeback happened at the end of 68. Apart from the How Great Thou Art sessions in 66, what other elements of a comeback were there. Oh yes in 67, we had Old Macdonald, Long Legged Girl followed by other mind blowing songs, Clambake and Confidence to name a few. Yep the comeback was in full swing. Of course much of Elvis' chart success during this time was purely down to his fan base who would buy anything - it certainly cannot be attributed to strong song material.
Try to be fair. You conspicuously do not mention the Guitar Man ,Big Boss Man, Hi Heeled Sneakers, Just Call Me Lonesome, US Male which was the pre-comeback. Irony and sarcasm in red.
A few scattered songs that didn't really set the world on fire. Sure it was a slight change in direction and one for the better but then went back to You're Time Hasn't Come Yet Baby, He's Your Uncle etc.
It seems like you are mixing Elvis' studio work with his film soundtracks - they are too different entities.

This excellent CD should put things in perspective.

Image


Too Much Monkey Business
Guitar Man
Tomorrow Is a Long Time
U.S. Male
Big Boss Man
Love Letters
Indescribably Blue
Fools Fall in Love
Hi Heel Sneakers
Down in the Alley
Come What May (You Are Mine)
Mine
Just Call Me Lonesome
You Don't Know Me
Stay Away
Singing Tree
Goin' Home
I'll Remember You

Andy
Yes a good compilation album. Pity it was not release at the period we are talking about as the general public had no idea as all they were getting at that time apart from How Great Thou Art were soundtrack albums. In March '65 when Do The Clam was out (which is the title of this thread) there was no comeback around the corner. There were some gems(once again more so for Elvis fans than Joe Public) in the ensuing period but there was no proper comeback until the NBC TV show often called the Comeback Special. I do not have a problem with the soundtrack albums like many do - they were done to fit in with the script of each film, and there was no other artist who could handle many of these tracks in the way Elvis could, but they did not help Elvis at all as a serious recording artist and even Elvis himself was frustrated at the songs he was having to record.
Some would have us believe that Elvis was finished in the mid-60's - the facts as always prove different. Though some want to diminish these. 'Whether it is the 'Roustabout' LP hitting Number 1 in the USA in '64, 'Crying In The Chapel' (UK #1) and 'Do The Clam' (Malaysia #1) in '65. The Adult Contemporary chart where Elvis had number 1 singles with 'I'm Yours' (3 weeks), 'Crying In the Chapel' (7 weeks) and 'Such An Easy Question (2 weeks) all in 1965. And not forgetting a grammy award winning album with 'How Great Thou Art'.

Many lesser stars would have been thrilled by these achievements.

And as I have previously stated in 1965, 1966 & 1967 Elvis was still unbeatable in the yearly New Musical Express (NME) poll winning both:-

World Male Singer and World Music Personality - Proof indeed he wasn't forgotten or irrelevant.

Andy
Purely because he had a big fan base on what had gone before. Whilst I was proud to be a fan in '65, I was somewhat mocked at school for being one, as he was effectively seen as a shadow of his former self and that is a polite version. Try putting Do The Clam up against The Stones "The Last Time" or The Beatles "Ticket To a Ride" or any other current musical trend to get an argument across.


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a mess of polk salad wrote:
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Keith Richards, Jr. wrote:The song is better in mono. I used to own the 7" single but lost it unfortunately. It's a nice Little ditty. "Do the claaaam, DO the clam, grab your barefoot baby by the ha-a-and!" Yes indeed. I hope and pray that Ernst will someday release a kind of follow-up to "Out In Hollywood" that features only mono versions of the best '60s soundtrack recordings. That would make for a killer album.
I was listening to my recently acquired mono pressing of Girl Happy only the other day, and comparing to the stereo mix. This is one case where mono trumps stereo conclusively, the production in mono is OK, with no such issues apparent.
I also think that was no "mistake". It might've been an aesthetic, artistic choice by the producers, or it might have been a mixing error, but no one gave damn to spot it or fix it prior to release.
Let's face it Elvis did not care enough about his music at this point or he would have never have recorded it. If the artist does not care why should anyone else in the production chain care either?
But do you like the song bud?


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I do like it, but I like it best in mono. It reminds me of my childhood, I had it on tape ("Elvis sings Leiber And Stoller" I think).
It is not rock and roll, but a piece of '60's film fluff, but i like it!




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The cognitive dissonance is strong yet again on this one.

No one disputes that The King was not on top form recording-wise in 64/65. That goes without saying. However, if some people choose to spectacularly miss the point time and time again despite the evidence being laid bare in front of them, then that is their problem. However, it does not change that reality that Elvis Presley was still a huge star right the entire way throughout the 60's, from beginning to end. This is totally irrefutable and only a fool would argue otherwise.



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This song is a piece of crap, that's all.



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Ain't ya glad that you found out? What the clam is all about - yeah,yeah,yeah


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Hard Rocker wrote:The cognitive dissonance is strong yet again on this one.

No one disputes that The King was not on top form recording-wise in 64/65. That goes without saying. However, if some people choose to spectacularly miss the point time and time again despite the evidence being laid bare in front of them, then that is their problem. However, it does not change that reality that Elvis Presley was still a huge star right the entire way throughout the 60's, from beginning to end. This is totally irrefutable and only a fool would argue otherwise.
I am just a forum member who would argue otherwise, fool or not, with you, Hard Rocker.



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emjel wrote:Purely because he had a big fan base on what had gone before. Whilst I was proud to be a fan in '65, I was somewhat mocked at school for being one, as he was effectively seen as a shadow of his former self and that is a polite version. Try putting Do The Clam up against The Stones "The Last Time" or The Beatles "Ticket To a Ride" or any other current musical trend to get an argument across.
Hit singles do not sell if people don't buy - this has nothing to do with what went before. You either like the song or you don't - musical tastes will always get mocked by some.

Even though Elvis is my favourite singer I have many musical tastes and don't compare between the artists I like. Trends come and go. There has been no artist I am aware of who has had a million selling album ('If I Can Dream') when they have been gone from us for nearly 40 years.

Elvis will always be in a class of his own.

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jetblack wrote:
emjel wrote:Purely because he had a big fan base on what had gone before. Whilst I was proud to be a fan in '65, I was somewhat mocked at school for being one, as he was effectively seen as a shadow of his former self and that is a polite version. Try putting Do The Clam up against The Stones "The Last Time" or The Beatles "Ticket To a Ride" or any other current musical trend to get an argument across.
Hit singles do not sell if people don't buy - this has nothing to do with what went before. You either like the song or you don't - musical tastes will always get mocked by some.

Even though Elvis is my favourite singer I have many musical tastes and don't compare between the artists I like. Trends come and go. There has been no artist I am aware of who has had a million selling album ('If I Can Dream') when they have been gone from us for nearly 40 years.

Elvis will always be in a class of his own.

Andy
"Hit singles do not sell if people don't buy". Don't you mean a single is NOT a hit if people do not buy it. It cannot be a hit single if people do not buy it.
And you really are missing the point. Elvis' record sales and popularity in polls during this period was really down to his strong fan base which is on the back of much of the earlier stuff that went before. If Joe Public had been buying the singles, many more would have been Top Ten entries. As it was and during this period, there were only a couple that got into the Top Ten in the UK and I believe the USA and one of these was recorded in 1960.
I am not talking about Elvis' total career but just this lull in 65-68. The thread title refers to Do The Clam in 65 and my comments are based on the mention of a so. Allen comeback just around the corner from 65. Not an album released in 2015


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emjel wrote:
jetblack wrote:
emjel wrote:Purely because he had a big fan base on what had gone before. Whilst I was proud to be a fan in '65, I was somewhat mocked at school for being one, as he was effectively seen as a shadow of his former self and that is a polite version. Try putting Do The Clam up against The Stones "The Last Time" or The Beatles "Ticket To a Ride" or any other current musical trend to get an argument across.
Hit singles do not sell if people don't buy - this has nothing to do with what went before. You either like the song or you don't - musical tastes will always get mocked by some.

Even though Elvis is my favourite singer I have many musical tastes and don't compare between the artists I like. Trends come and go. There has been no artist I am aware of who has had a million selling album ('If I Can Dream') when they have been gone from us for nearly 40 years.

Elvis will always be in a class of his own.

Andy
"Hit singles do not sell if people don't buy". Don't you mean a single is NOT a hit if people do not buy it. It cannot be a hit single if people do not buy it.
And you really are missing the point. Elvis' record sales and popularity in polls during this period was really down to his strong fan base which is on the back of much of the earlier stuff that went before. If Joe Public had been buying the singles, many more would have been Top Ten entries. As it was and during this period, there were only a couple that got into the Top Ten in the UK and I believe the USA and one of these was recorded in 1960.
I am not talking about Elvis' total career but just this lull in 65-68
From Wiki:-
A hit single is a recorded song or instrumental released as a single that has become very popular. Though it sometimes means any widely played or big-selling song, the term "hit" usually refers to a single that has appeared in an official music chart through repeated radio airplay or significant commercial sales.


Between March 1965 and July 1968 Elvis had eight hit singles in the UK all reaching the Top 20. Another 5 hit the Top 40. Out of those 13 singles three hit the top 10 with 'Chapel' reaching number 1.

This is all relevant and adds to an artists tally of weeks on chart. Why you narrowed your parameters down to just a Top 10 is anyone's guess.

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jurasic1968 wrote:This song is a piece of crap, that's all.
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jetblack wrote:
emjel wrote:
jetblack wrote:
emjel wrote:Purely because he had a big fan base on what had gone before. Whilst I was proud to be a fan in '65, I was somewhat mocked at school for being one, as he was effectively seen as a shadow of his former self and that is a polite version. Try putting Do The Clam up against The Stones "The Last Time" or The Beatles "Ticket To a Ride" or any other current musical trend to get an argument across.
Hit singles do not sell if people don't buy - this has nothing to do with what went before. You either like the song or you don't - musical tastes will always get mocked by some.

Even though Elvis is my favourite singer I have many musical tastes and don't compare between the artists I like. Trends come and go. There has been no artist I am aware of who has had a million selling album ('If I Can Dream') when they have been gone from us for nearly 40 years.

Elvis will always be in a class of his own.

Andy
"Hit singles do not sell if people don't buy". Don't you mean a single is NOT a hit if people do not buy it. It cannot be a hit single if people do not buy it.
And you really are missing the point. Elvis' record sales and popularity in polls during this period was really down to his strong fan base which is on the back of much of the earlier stuff that went before. If Joe Public had been buying the singles, many more would have been Top Ten entries. As it was and during this period, there were only a couple that got into the Top Ten in the UK and I believe the USA and one of these was recorded in 1960.
I am not talking about Elvis' total career but just this lull in 65-68
From Wiki:-
A hit single is a recorded song or instrumental released as a single that has become very popular. Though it sometimes means any widely played or big-selling song, the term "hit" usually refers to a single that has appeared in an official music chart through repeated radio airplay or significant commercial sales.


Between March 1965 and July 1968 Elvis had eight hit singles in the UK all reaching the Top 20. Another 5 hit the Top 40. Out of those 13 singles three hit the top 10 with 'Chapel' reaching number 1.

This is all relevant and adds to an artists tally of weeks on chart. Why you narrowed your parameters down to just a Top 10 is anyone's guess.

Andy
Yes but sales were primarily from his strong fan base - NOT from Joe Public. In the early 60s in fact since Elvis started charting in 56, just about every single released went top 3 or above because both fans and the public bought them, so by Elvis 'standards, not reaching the top 10 is poor and that is why I used the Top 10 as an indicator. Out of curiosity, who sells most records - someone who is at number 1 for one week or someone who is at number 1 for 10 weeks.


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skatterbrane wrote:I have no idea if it was a mistake or not, but it is even more irritating if they really did do it on purpose. It certainly sounds like a mistake. And if they did it on purpose, it was a mistake in judgement! They extended Blue River without using such a ineffective ploy to disguise the fact.

Maybe someone who owns the Japanese Complete Singles Collection and can read Japanese can translate the chart info on page 84. One column seems to be USA placement. The last two columns seem to be Japan's stats.
I totally agree it is more irritating if it is on purpose.

Here you can find the file where I only have rised the volume level of the almost silent part and Nothing else.

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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Hard Rocker wrote:And as long as we're talking charts, I'll add that Do The Clam was a number one smash for The King in Japan back in '65.
If true, it's a sad state of affairs to tout a hit foreign single as an accomplishment in a fallow year musically for a major American artist.

That said, I've never been able to find a credible source which states if the single made #1 in the Land of the Rising Sun. A "smash" indicates many weeks at the top. Can you share how you know this?




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Elvis Presley "Do The Clam" (RCA SS-1534, March 16, 1965)
Allegedly "a number one smash ... in Japan back in '65"
Hard Rocker wrote:Yes! Yes I can! And I'll do so just as soon as you substantiate your unworthy claim that that The Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show in 1964 is "generally accepted" as "Rock's big bang" ...
As I suspected, you were parroting something you read that cannot be substantiated by a credible source.

It should be noted yet again that your unceasing anger and rudeness make your presence unwelcome. You didn't even acknowledge my beautiful scan of the single I asked you about, or the fact that my interaction was civil. Why you are so filled with anger is a question none of us can answer, but one imagines you are insecure and lonely.



jetblack wrote:Here are the FACTS:-

From this 29 May 1965 UK issue of New Musical Express (NME).
Billboards 'Hits Of The World' on page 24 states that 'Do The Clam' is Number 1 in Malaysia and was Number 1 the week before.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KikEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA24

Thus proving that 'Do The Clam' was indeed a number 1 single.
The question I asked was much more specific, and had nothing to do with Malaysia:

"I've never been able to find a credible source which states if the single made #1 in the Land of the Rising Sun ... Can you share how you know this?"

We can see that this question remains unanswered, and that's a FACT. I suspect this is because the statement made by "hard rocker" is false, and we must conclude that the terrible single "Do The Clam" was not "a number one smash ... in Japan back in '65."

Also, your link does not send us to a page from the "29 May 1965 UK issue of New Musical Express (NME)." It's from Billboard, and that's a FACT, too.



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Billboard - May 25, 1965




Again, it's a sad state of affairs to tout a hit foreign single as an "accomplishment" for a major American artist. These are secondary markets. Taking such a view is just grasping at straws. It's been fifty years, let it go.
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drjohncarpenter wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Hard Rocker wrote:And as long as we're talking charts, I'll add that Do The Clam was a number one smash for The King in Japan back in '65.
If true, it's a sad state of affairs to tout a hit foreign single as an accomplishment in a fallow year musically for a major American artist.

That said, I've never been able to find a credible source which states if the single made #1 in the Land of the Rising Sun. A "smash" indicates many weeks at the top. Can you share how you know this?




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Elvis Presley "Do The Clam" (RCA SS-1534, March 16, 1965)
Allegedly "a number one smash ... in Japan back in '65"
Hard Rocker wrote:Yes! Yes I can! And I'll do so just as soon as you substantiate your unworthy claim that that The Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show in 1964 is "generally accepted" as "Rock's big bang" ...
As I suspected, you were parroting something you read that cannot be substantiated by a credible source.

It should be noted yet again that your unceasing anger and rudeness make your presence unwelcome. You didn't even acknowledge my beautiful scan of the single I asked you about, or the fact that my interaction was civil. Why you are so filled with anger is a question none of us can answer, but one imagines you are insecure and lonely.



jetblack wrote:Here are the FACTS:-

From this 29 May 1965 UK issue of New Musical Express (NME).
Billboards 'Hits Of The World' on page 24 states that 'Do The Clam' is Number 1 in Malaysia and was Number 1 the week before.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KikEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA24

Thus proving that 'Do The Clam' was indeed a number 1 single.
The question I asked was much more specific, and had nothing to do with Malaysia:

"I've never been able to find a credible source which states if the single made #1 in the Land of the Rising Sun ... Can you share how you know this?"

We can see that this question remains unanswered, and that's a FACT. I suspect this is because the statement made by "hard rocker" is false, and we must conclude that the terrible single "Do The Clam" was not "a number one smash ... in Japan back in '65."

Also, your link does not send us to a page from the "29 May 1965 UK issue of New Musical Express (NME)." It's from Billboard, and that's a FACT, too.



Billboard May 25 1965 p24.JPG
Billboard - May 25, 1965




Again, it's a sad state of affairs to tout a hit foreign single as an "accomplishment" for a major American artist. These are secondary markets. Taking such a view is just grasping at straws. It's been fifty years, let it go.
Totally agree. Threads seem to take real nosedive when said person gets involved and often end up in some kind of slanging match until the thread is pulled.


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emjel wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Hard Rocker wrote:Yes! Yes I can! And I'll do so just as soon as you substantiate your unworthy claim that that The Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show in 1964 is "generally accepted" as "Rock's big bang" ...
As I suspected, you were parroting something you read that cannot be substantiated by a credible source.

It should be noted yet again that your unceasing anger and rudeness make your presence unwelcome. You didn't even acknowledge my beautiful scan of the single I asked you about, or the fact that my interaction was civil. Why you are so filled with anger is a question none of us can answer, but one imagines you are insecure and lonely.



jetblack wrote:Here are the FACTS:-

From this 29 May 1965 UK issue of New Musical Express (NME).
Billboards 'Hits Of The World' on page 24 states that 'Do The Clam' is Number 1 in Malaysia and was Number 1 the week before.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KikEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA24

Thus proving that 'Do The Clam' was indeed a number 1 single.
The question I asked was much more specific, and had nothing to do with Malaysia:

"I've never been able to find a credible source which states if the single made #1 in the Land of the Rising Sun ... Can you share how you know this?"

We can see that this question remains unanswered, and that's a FACT. I suspect this is because the statement made by "hard rocker" is false, and we must conclude that the terrible single "Do The Clam" was not "a number one smash ... in Japan back in '65."

Also, your link does not send us to a page from the "29 May 1965 UK issue of New Musical Express (NME)." It's from Billboard, and that's a FACT, too.



Billboard May 25 1965 p24.JPG
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Again, it's a sad state of affairs to tout a hit foreign single as an "accomplishment" for a major American artist. These are secondary markets. Taking such a view is just grasping at straws. It's been fifty years, let it go.
Totally agree. Threads seem to take real nosedive when said person gets involved and often end up in some kind of slanging match until the thread is pulled.
Thanks. I don't know what's his deal, but the angry postings, again and again, are really unpleasant.


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Maybe he had nothing to contribute on this topic and he wanted just to troll it, that's all.




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drjohncarpenter wrote:
emjel wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Hard Rocker wrote:Yes! Yes I can! And I'll do so just as soon as you substantiate your unworthy claim that that The Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show in 1964 is "generally accepted" as "Rock's big bang" ...
As I suspected, you were parroting something you read that cannot be substantiated by a credible source.

It should be noted yet again that your unceasing anger and rudeness make your presence unwelcome. You didn't even acknowledge my beautiful scan of the single I asked you about, or the fact that my interaction was civil. Why you are so filled with anger is a question none of us can answer, but one imagines you are insecure and lonely.



jetblack wrote:Here are the FACTS:-

From this 29 May 1965 UK issue of New Musical Express (NME).
Billboards 'Hits Of The World' on page 24 states that 'Do The Clam' is Number 1 in Malaysia and was Number 1 the week before.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KikEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA24

Thus proving that 'Do The Clam' was indeed a number 1 single.
The question I asked was much more specific, and had nothing to do with Malaysia:

"I've never been able to find a credible source which states if the single made #1 in the Land of the Rising Sun ... Can you share how you know this?"

We can see that this question remains unanswered, and that's a FACT. I suspect this is because the statement made by "hard rocker" is false, and we must conclude that the terrible single "Do The Clam" was not "a number one smash ... in Japan back in '65."

Also, your link does not send us to a page from the "29 May 1965 UK issue of New Musical Express (NME)." It's from Billboard, and that's a FACT, too.



Billboard May 25 1965 p24.JPG
Billboard - May 25, 1965




Again, it's a sad state of affairs to tout a hit foreign single as an "accomplishment" for a major American artist. These are secondary markets. Taking such a view is just grasping at straws. It's been fifty years, let it go.
Totally agree. Threads seem to take real nosedive when said person gets involved and often end up in some kind of slanging match until the thread is pulled.
Thanks. I don't know what's his deal, but the angry postings, again and again, are really unpleasant.
Dont worry Doc, next up Do the Vega. Perhaps civility will return when we discuss that undisputed masterpiece.


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Elvis was still regarded as "The King" during this period and every period after that... He was recording mediocre soundtrack material, he knew it and so did everybody else. As I pointed out earlier my ex brother in-law still loves this song.

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Dan_T wrote:Elvis was still regarded as "The King" during this period and every period after that... He was recording mediocre soundtrack material, he knew it and so did everybody else. As I pointed out earlier my ex brother in-law still loves this song.

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Not quite sure what this means.

If you're saying people heard the new single "Do The Clam" in March 1965 and went "Yeah, THE KING!" I doubt that.


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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Dan_T wrote:Elvis was still regarded as "The King" during this period and every period after that... He was recording mediocre soundtrack material, he knew it and so did everybody else. As I pointed out earlier my ex brother in-law still loves this song.

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Not quite sure what this means.

If you're saying people heard the new single "Do The Clam" in March 1965 and went "Yeah, THE KING!" I doubt that.
I doubt it too.


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Maybe the worst single Elvis released until that day.




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Like all threads of ditties that the thought police dislikes. It gets derailed from the start on page one or two. In this case on page one with a hypocritical and dramatic "Oh, the pain", followed by an insulting only a "fanboy"... The "pain" indeed of posting anything that doesn't meet the "approval" of the few and their yes-men. Nevertheless, this will not stop anyone from posting what they desire and like. They will be able to count on me and others that respect and find joy in all aspects of Elvis' vast catalog of music.




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Juan Luis wrote:Like all threads of ditties that the thought police dislikes. It gets derailed from the start on page one or two. In this case on page one with a hypocritical and dramatic "Oh, the pain", followed by an insulting only a "fanboy"... The "pain" indeed of posting anything that doesn't meet the "approval" of the few and their yes-men. Nevertheless, this will not stop anyone from posting what they desire and like. They will be able to count on me and others that respect and find joy in all aspects of Elvis' vast catalog of music.
We understand Elvis sang it so you love it. A rose by any other name is still a rose. The same applies to garbage. Calling it something else doesn't change what it is. But it still is OK for you to like it. Defending it at length though only serves to undermine the other insightful comments you make from time to time.


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Juan Luis wrote:Like all threads of ditties that the thought police dislikes. It gets derailed from the start on page one or two. In this case on page one with a hypocritical and dramatic "Oh, the pain", followed by an insulting only a "fanboy"... The "pain" indeed of posting anything that doesn't meet the "approval" of the few and their yes-men. Nevertheless, this will not stop anyone from posting what they desire and like. They will be able to count on me and others that respect and find joy in all aspects of Elvis' vast catalog of music.
A number one in Japan (a HUGE record market), Malaysia, and Singapore... Plus a top ten hit in other territories. "Clam" was clearly, obviously, evidently and definitely a global smash. More importantly, The King was far from the mid-60's washed-up has-been that he is regularly been portrayed as on this site on an almost daily basis as he continued to Rock the charts right throughout the planet. He remained a huge international star continuously throughout the decade. You know it, I know, and they know it. They just can't bring themselves to admit it. You can lead a horse...