Padre

[Davelee]

Agreed. It's possible Elvis thought he nailed it though. Like he said about the '68 TV-show: you can't win them all.

That statement wasn't made about the 1968 TV Special, nor was the actual comment serious.

Always thought that. Never too old to learn . What show did he do mean?

He made the comment very specifically introducing the song "Memories," a recent RCA single and featured in the December 1968 TV Special. It was a self-depreciating joke, and very typical of Elvis' usual stage banter, from as far back as 1956. Why he knocked it may be due to Sam Phillips' criticism after seeing the opening night that it ruined the pacing of the performance.

Here are two examples released by RCA/FTD:

8-21-1969 MS - "I'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV show, which wasn't very good but ..."
8-26-1969 DS - "A song that I just did on my recent TV show, which wasn't too good, but, you know, you can't win 'em all, man ..."

The "not very good" remark qualifies the 68 special and not the song Memories. MH was correct.

Wrong!! Let's look at what Elvis said: "i'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV Show, which wasn't Very good. How can you interpret this him talking about the TV Show when clearly he's talking about the song

[MikeFromHolland]

I'm very glad his tastes went much further than that of the average music lover.

It seems Elvis became a "Very average music listener" himself recording such songs like Padre.

I just knew YOU would jump in the defensive mode when reading this. I was right, you did .

Now tell us if the "you can't win them all" remark was about the whole 68 special, or only about Memories, and I might win another bet .


Shall we all get back on topic now? No one said Padre was in their top 10. When comparing Elvis' version with the other versions of the song posted, where would you put it?

Other derailment tactics won't be appreciated. Just make another topic about that subject, please. Thank you all.

[Davelee]

Agreed. It's possible Elvis thought he nailed it though. Like he said about the '68 TV-show: you can't win them all.

That statement wasn't made about the 1968 TV Special, nor was the actual comment serious.

Always thought that. Never too old to learn . What show did he do mean?

He made the comment very specifically introducing the song "Memories," a recent RCA single and featured in the December 1968 TV Special. It was a self-depreciating joke, and very typical of Elvis' usual stage banter, from as far back as 1956. Why he knocked it may be due to Sam Phillips' criticism after seeing the opening night that it ruined the pacing of the performance.

Here are two examples released by RCA/FTD:

8-21-1969 MS - "I'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV show, which wasn't very good but ..."
8-26-1969 DS - "A song that I just did on my recent TV show, which wasn't too good, but, you know, you can't win 'em all, man ..."

The "not very good" remark qualifies the 68 special and not the song Memories. MH was correct.

Indeed. Elvis may still have been joking about it not being very good (although we should remember reviews at the time were mixed) - but he's definitely talking about the show.

I find it amazing for someone who has written 4 books has difficulty in understanding words, phrasing and sentences.

[MikeFromHolland]

Our replies crossed. I won my bet, thank you

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[Davelee]

He made the comment very specifically introducing the song "Memories," a recent RCA single and featured in the December 1968 TV Special. It was a self-depreciating joke, and very typical of Elvis' usual stage banter, from as far back as 1956. Why he knocked it may be due to Sam Phillips' criticism after seeing the opening night that it ruined the pacing of the performance.

Here are two examples released by RCA/FTD:

8-21-1969 MS - "I'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV show, which wasn't very good but ..."
8-26-1969 DS - "A song that I just did on my recent TV show, which wasn't too good, but, you know, you can't win 'em all, man ..."

The "not very good" remark qualifies the 68 special and not the song Memories. MH was correct.

That's your interpretation of the statement, and we already know you have trouble parsing sentences. Since you choose to be declarative I'll do the same: you're wrong.

The NBC-TV program was a huge ratings success and propelled Elvis into 1969 on very strong footing. There would be no reason to put down his transcendent network appearance. Furthermore, it had just been re-run and garnered more attention. It seems far more plausible he felt uncomfortable doing "Memories" after his early mentor shot it down, and so the "jokes" began. If he felt like denigrating the event he could have made the comment before any number of songs that were screened on NBC the previous winter which were also in the set. But he did not.

The tongue-in-cheek intro is only known before "Memories." It is a reactive, subtle act by the singer. Feel free to do some of your own research on this and share with us what you discover. In the meantime, I'll remain rooted in the facts, and common sense reasoning, that I have now shared on two consecutive replies.

The only one having interpretation problems is yourself. Quite clearly, Elvis is joking about the show and not the song. The sentence structure also makes this clear. If he was talking about the song not being good, then the comment about show and song would have been juxtaposed:

"I recently did a TV show, and in it was a song which wasn't very good, but you can't win 'em all." There, he would have been talking about the song not being good, but that is not what is implied when he switches the song and TV show around in the sentence, not once, not twice, but three times - he says the same thing is said on the Collector's Gold version: "A song from my recent TV show, which was pretty bad, but you can't win 'em all."

Perhaps this inability to understand simple grammatical structures is why you feel so many people have problems understanding your posts. Would you like lessons, dear?

This is the most ridiculous thing i've read - the misinterpretation is puzzling. Why have you switched about a sentence Elvis did not say? I've already commented on this so I'll do it again, here's what Elvis actually said: "i'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV show, which wasn't very good". Now, he is clearly talking about the song from his recent TV show and not discrediting his TV show. Anyone can see that.

[MikeFromHolland]

This is the most ridiculous thing i've read - the misinterpretation is puzzling. Why have you switched about a sentence Elvis did not say? I've already commented on this so I'll do it again, here's what Elvis actually said: "i'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV show, which wasn't very good". Now, he is clearly talking about the song from his recent TV show and not discrediting his TV show. Anyone can see that.

To all: can you reply about the 68 Special remark from now on in this thread, please?

Elvis' remark about the 68 Special or about Memories?
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93045#p1489064

I created a poll in it so you can vote: TV-Special or Memories.

Thank you.



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[Davelee]

This is the most ridiculous thing i've read - the misinterpretation is puzzling. Why have you switched about a sentence Elvis did not say? I've already commented on this so I'll do it again, here's what Elvis actually said: "i'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV show, which wasn't very good". Now, he is clearly talking about the song from his recent TV show and not discrediting his TV show. Anyone can see that.

To all: can you reply about the 68 Special remark from now on in this thread, please?

Elvis' remark about the 68 Special or about Memories?
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93045#p1489064

I created a poll in it so you can vote: TV-Special or Memories.


Thank you.



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Mike, be careful what you write in future. If you hadn't of mentioned the comment about the 68 show in the first place then this would not have happened.

[MikeFromHolland]

Mike, be careful what you write in future. If you hadn't of mentioned the comment about the 68 show in the first place then this would not have happened.

You're right . But no problem. I enjoy the discussion and all opinions, just want to prevent this thread to be taken down.

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[xmascarrol]

Not the greatest song sang by Elvis but certainly not the worse, I actually have always liked this and i actually forgot bout the song once i got in to the concert years so when i came acroos it again a few years ago i started to enjoy the short song. I really not keen on DJ ETHAN mixes normally but i think this remix makes the song more enjoyable.

[Steve Morse]

Agreed. It's possible Elvis thought he nailed it though. Like he said about the '68 TV-show: you can't win them all.

That statement wasn't made about the 1968 TV Special, nor was the actual comment serious.

Always thought that. Never too old to learn . What show did he do mean?

He made the comment very specifically introducing the song "Memories," a recent RCA single and featured in the December 1968 TV Special. It was a self-depreciating joke, and very typical of Elvis' usual stage banter, from as far back as 1956. Why he knocked it may be due to Sam Phillips' criticism after seeing the opening night that it ruined the pacing of the performance.

Here are two examples released by RCA/FTD:

8-21-1969 MS - "I'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV show, which wasn't very good but ..."
8-26-1969 DS - "A song that I just did on my recent TV show, which wasn't too good, but, you know, you can't win 'em all, man ..."

The "not very good" remark qualifies the 68 special and not the song Memories. MH was correct.

That is very clearly heard and understood. Self-deprecating but still about the show not the song. Some have no excuse for misinterpreting plain English.

Self-deprecating, yes. Self-depreciating, no ! Even so-called teachers repeat their mistakes, it seems.

Elvis was clearly talking about the show. I've always heard it this way and it's plain. Why would he sing a song - which he in no way was 'obliged' to sing - if it was 'not very good' ?

[r&b]

I'm very glad his tastes went much further than that of the average music lover.

It seems Elvis became a "Very average music listener" himself recording such songs like Padre.

I think Elvis needed to return to Beale St in the 70's to revisit his musical roots.

[r&b]

Not the greatest song sang by Elvis but certainly not the worse, I actually have always liked this and i actually forgot bout the song once i got in to the concert years so when i came acroos it again a few years ago i started to enjoy the short song. I really not keen on DJ ETHAN mixes normally but i think this remix makes the song more enjoyable.

That is always up for debate. 10 different people will choose 10 different songs as their least favorite. This one is close to being mine. In fact, I think Id rather hear Dominic than this. It least it has a blusey harmonica and Elvis in fine vocal form as silly as it is. Dominic is over the top in silliness and Padre over the top in dramatic bombast singing. I'll choose the former.

[Juan Luis]

A burning desire since the 1950's.

Need more gum?

[ICanHelp]

Agreed. It's possible Elvis thought he nailed it though. Like he said about the '68 TV-show: you can't win them all.

That statement wasn't made about the 1968 TV Special, nor was the actual comment serious.

Always thought that. Never too old to learn . What show did he do mean?

He made the comment very specifically introducing the song "Memories," a recent RCA single and featured in the December 1968 TV Special. It was a self-depreciating joke, and very typical of Elvis' usual stage banter, from as far back as 1956. Why he knocked it may be due to Sam Phillips' criticism after seeing the opening night that it ruined the pacing of the performance.

Here are two examples released by RCA/FTD:

8-21-1969 MS - "I'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV show, which wasn't very good but ..."
8-26-1969 DS - "A song that I just did on my recent TV show, which wasn't too good, but, you know, you can't win 'em all, man ..."

The "not very good" remark qualifies the 68 special and not the song Memories. MH was correct.

Wrong!! Let's look at what Elvis said: "i'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV Show, which wasn't Very good. How can you interpret this him talking about the TV Show when clearly he's talking about the song

That is a very compelling argument! But, what if we underline the phrase "my recent TV show"? What if, more importantly, DJC admitted his mistake? I bet that would change your view.

[goldbelt]

A burning desire since the 1950's.

Need more gum?

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[ICanHelp]

He made the comment very specifically introducing the song "Memories," a recent RCA single and featured in the December 1968 TV Special. It was a self-depreciating joke, and very typical of Elvis' usual stage banter, from as far back as 1956. Why he knocked it may be due to Sam Phillips' criticism after seeing the opening night that it ruined the pacing of the performance.

Here are two examples released by RCA/FTD:

8-21-1969 MS - "I'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV show, which wasn't very good but ..."
8-26-1969 DS - "A song that I just did on my recent TV show, which wasn't too good, but, you know, you can't win 'em all, man ..."

The "not very good" remark qualifies the 68 special and not the song Memories. MH was correct.

That's your interpretation of the statement, and we already know you have trouble parsing sentences. Since you choose to be declarative I'll do the same: you're wrong.

The NBC-TV program was a huge ratings success and propelled Elvis into 1969 on very strong footing. There would be no reason to put down his transcendent network appearance. Furthermore, it had just been re-run and garnered more attention. It seems far more plausible he felt uncomfortable doing "Memories" after his early mentor shot it down, and so the "jokes" began. If he felt like denigrating the event he could have made the comment before any number of songs that were screened on NBC the previous winter which were also in the set. But he did not.

The tongue-in-cheek intro is only known before "Memories." It is a reactive, subtle act by the singer. Feel free to do some of your own research on this and share with us what you discover. In the meantime, I'll remain rooted in the facts, and common sense reasoning, that I have now shared on two consecutive replies.

Thanks for the compliment. Anyone with ears and a modicum of common sense knows you are wrong. Why would Elvis "put down" the Special? Because he was joking. The same way he joked about his guitar playing, Hound Dog and just about everything else. You could spare yourself much humiliation by just admitting now and then that you are wrong rather than manufacturing increasingly silly "evidence" to support your tenuous conclusions.

[goldbelt]

"if I were a good actor ............. of course I'm not a good singer, but" Hy Gardner Calling 1956

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[Davelee]

Agreed. It's possible Elvis thought he nailed it though. Like he said about the '68 TV-show: you can't win them all.

That statement wasn't made about the 1968 TV Special, nor was the actual comment serious.

Always thought that. Never too old to learn . What show did he do mean?

He made the comment very specifically introducing the song "Memories," a recent RCA single and featured in the December 1968 TV Special. It was a self-depreciating joke, and very typical of Elvis' usual stage banter, from as far back as 1956. Why he knocked it may be due to Sam Phillips' criticism after seeing the opening night that it ruined the pacing of the performance.

Here are two examples released by RCA/FTD:

8-21-1969 MS - "I'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV show, which wasn't very good but ..."
8-26-1969 DS - "A song that I just did on my recent TV show, which wasn't too good, but, you know, you can't win 'em all, man ..."

The "not very good" remark qualifies the 68 special and not the song Memories. MH was correct.

Wrong!! Let's look at what Elvis said: "i'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV Show, which wasn't Very good. How can you interpret this him talking about the TV Show when clearly he's talking about the song

That is a very compelling argument! But, what if we underline the phrase "my recent TV show"? What if, more importantly, DJC admitted his mistake? I bet that would change your view.

No it wouldn't change my mind because it is the song Elvis is clearly referring to and I will stick to that, no matter what.

[poormadpeter2]

This is the most ridiculous thing i've read - the misinterpretation is puzzling. Why have you switched about a sentence Elvis did not say? I've already commented on this so I'll do it again, here's what Elvis actually said: "i'd like to do a song I just did from my recent TV show, which wasn't very good". Now, he is clearly talking about the song from his recent TV show and not discrediting his TV show. Anyone can see that.

To all: can you reply about the 68 Special remark from now on in this thread, please?

Elvis' remark about the 68 Special or about Memories?
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93045#p1489064

I created a poll in it so you can vote: TV-Special or Memories.


Thank you.



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Mike, be careful what you write in future. If you hadn't OF mentioned the comment about the 68 show in the first place then this would not have happened.

You are trying to tell us what Elvis was saying and yet do not even know the difference between the word HAVE and OF!

[elvis-fan]

Not the greatest song sang by Elvis but certainly not the worse, I actually have always liked this and i actually forgot bout the song once i got in to the concert years so when i came acroos it again a few years ago i started to enjoy the short song. I really not keen on DJ ETHAN mixes normally but i think this remix makes the song more enjoyable.

That is always up for debate. 10 different people will choose 10 different songs as their least favorite. This one is close to being mine. In fact, I think Id rather hear Dominic than this. It least it has a blusey harmonica and Elvis in fine vocal form as silly as it is. Dominic is over the top in silliness and Padre over the top in dramatic bombast singing. I'll choose the former.

The drama aside, it was Elvis just not singing well at all... IMO one of his worse recordings... should have never been released.

[Davelee]

Not the greatest song sang by Elvis but certainly not the worse, I actually have always liked this and i actually forgot bout the song once i got in to the concert years so when i came acroos it again a few years ago i started to enjoy the short song. I really not keen on DJ ETHAN mixes normally but i think this remix makes the song more enjoyable.

That is always up for debate. 10 different people will choose 10 different songs as their least favorite. This one is close to being mine. In fact, I think Id rather hear Dominic than this. It least it has a blusey harmonica and Elvis in fine vocal form as silly as it is. Dominic is over the top in silliness and Padre over the top in dramatic bombast singing. I'll choose the former.

The drama aside, it was Elvis just not singing well at all... IMO one of his worse recordings... should have never been released.

Try and tell certain members of this forum that.

[elvis-fan]

Not the greatest song sang by Elvis but certainly not the worse, I actually have always liked this and i actually forgot bout the song once i got in to the concert years so when i came acroos it again a few years ago i started to enjoy the short song. I really not keen on DJ ETHAN mixes normally but i think this remix makes the song more enjoyable.

That is always up for debate. 10 different people will choose 10 different songs as their least favorite. This one is close to being mine. In fact, I think Id rather hear Dominic than this. It least it has a blusey harmonica and Elvis in fine vocal form as silly as it is. Dominic is over the top in silliness and Padre over the top in dramatic bombast singing. I'll choose the former.

The drama aside, it was Elvis just not singing well at all... IMO one of his worse recordings... should have never been released.

Try and tell certain members of this forum that.

As a member who's been around this forum for more than 15 years, I've learned to try and not TELL anyone, anything... at times I get off that mark and fly off the handle... but for the most part I just try to state my own opinions... I still don't think I know enough about Elvis to state very much as fact.

[drjohncarpenter]

The only one having interpretation problems is yourself. Quite clearly, Elvis is joking about the show and not the song. The sentence structure also makes this clear. If he was talking about the song not being good, then the comment about show and song would have been juxtaposed:

"I recently did a TV show, and in it was a song which wasn't very good, but you can't win 'em all."

Elvis did not take elocution lessons prior to his stage return in the summer of 1969. He never spoke in such fashion on stage. The concert tapes provide ample proof of this. Perhaps you need to devote some time to listening to the man and his music, instead of constantly putting people down on an Elvis forum. That might be a wise move.

Self deprecating humor now equals elocution lessons. Only in the land where Padre would be Top 10 or at the Mad Hatter's Tea Party.

Yup. It seems this land is being traversed with gusto.

[Revelator]

Someone earlier grouped "Padre" with "Rags to Riches"--though his purpose was to damn both, I think "Padre" is an unsuccessful version of what Elvis achieved with "Rags to Riches." The latter song conveys more emotion in more muscular way, whereas "Padre"'s vocals have a note of hesitancy that makes even the grand finale feel slightly removed, as if there was a mental block that prevented Elvis from leaping to the song's jugular, the way he did in "Rags." The master feels like an outtake.

[Stvimpe]

Can't speak for others, but my padre still kicks ***. My madre, too. So, I'm really counting my blessings.