Padre

[Rob]

"Padre" first stood out for me when RCA's Joan Deary included it in an album of religious numbers.






He Walks Beside Me (RCA AFL1 2772, February 14, 1978)

Subtitled "Favorite Songs of Faith and Inspiration," it was the first RCA LP since Elvis In Concert the previous October. I thought to myself, it can't get worse than this. I was mistaken.

Featuring "Where Did They Go, Lord" on that same religious album.

[Davelee]

I always know what i'm talking about, thanks.

I'm sure you think that.

it's like Gibberish to us...

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Yeah, you would say that, because you can't understand half of what's being said.

[Davelee]

That is correct, because what you're saying has no valid point, so therefore the reader would be confused. No surprise.

No surprise you are parroting as usual making it impossible for you to validate anything when you do not know what you're talking about.

I always know what i'm talking about, thanks.

I'm sure you think that.

I do think that, as do others.

[elvis-fan]

"Padre" first stood out for me when RCA's Joan Deary included it in an album of religious numbers.



He Walks Beside Me (RCA AFL1 2772, February 14, 1978)

Subtitled "Favorite Songs of Faith and Inspiration," it was the first RCA LP since Elvis In Concert the previous October. I thought to myself, it can't get worse than this. I was mistaken.

Featuring "Where Did They Go, Lord" on that same religious album.

I didn't mind this LP when it came out... it had the alternate take of If I Can Dream and the first pressing of the Vegas recording of The Impossible Dream
In fact, I think this was the first spiritual Elvis album I owned.

[drjohncarpenter]

"Padre" first stood out for me when RCA's Joan Deary included it in an album of religious numbers.






He Walks Beside Me (RCA AFL1 2772, February 14, 1978)

Subtitled "Favorite Songs of Faith and Inspiration," it was the first RCA LP since Elvis In Concert the previous October. I thought to myself, it can't get worse than this. I was mistaken.

Featuring "Where Did They Go, Lord" on that same religious album.

Yup. Sadly noted on page 4 -->
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93029&p=1491232#p1491232

[Juan Luis]

"Padre" first stood out for me when RCA's Joan Deary included it in an album of religious numbers.






He Walks Beside Me (RCA AFL1 2772, February 14, 1978)

Subtitled "Favorite Songs of Faith and Inspiration," it was the first RCA LP since Elvis In Concert the previous October. I thought to myself, it can't get worse than this. I was mistaken.

Featuring "Where Did They Go, Lord" on that same religious album.

Yup. Sadly noted on page 4 -->
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93029&p=1491232#p1491232

I'm sure it took the joy of having two unreleased cuts on the album.

[poormadpeter2]

He Walks Beside Me may well stretch the idea of what is and what is not "songs of faith, hope and inspiration" - and because it was pressed in 1978 and produced by Joan Deary, the usual suspects come along and knock it. That said, Where Did They Go Lord and Padre are, at least, partly relevant due to their questioning of faith. But it's funny how the same people forget that "And the Grass Won't Pay No Mind" was included on "Elvis Inspirational" produced by Ernst and Roger - and for no more of a reason than the fact "God" is mentioned once in the song. HWBM did, at least include 2 previously unreleased performances, a religious number not previously on a gospel/religious album, and a side that had only been on single before.

[drjohncarpenter]

He Walks Beside Me may well stretch the idea of what is and what is not "songs of faith, hope and inspiration" - and because it was pressed in 1978 and produced by Joan Deary, the usual suspects come along and knock it. That said, Where Did They Go Lord and Padre are, at least, partly relevant due to their questioning of faith.

You're reaching. It is a plain fact they should not have been on such an LP. The songs were slotted by the producer because she was not cognizant of the lyrical content. They made the cut because of their titles. Neither were "Favorite Songs of Faith and Inspiration," which as I already noted is clearly printed on the album cover.

Furthermore, neither are a "questioning of faith." That's another reach. The former laments a loss of faithfulness in a marriage, the latter is just someone crying into their coffee cup.

[Juan Luis]

He Walks Beside Me may well stretch the idea of what is and what is not "songs of faith, hope and inspiration" - and because it was pressed in 1978 and produced by Joan Deary, the usual suspects come along and knock it. That said, Where Did They Go Lord and Padre are, at least, partly relevant due to their questioning of faith. But it's funny how the same people forget that "And the Grass Won't Pay No Mind" was included on "Elvis Inspirational" produced by Ernst and Roger - and for no more of a reason than the fact "God" is mentioned once in the song. HWBM did, at least include 2 previously unreleased performances, a religious number not previously on a gospel/religious album, and a side that had only been on single before.

I surely do not fret or get sad about posthumous compilations. The unreleased bonus tracks of the caliber of "If I Can Dream" and "Impossible Dream" was worth (for me) the price of admission. This was a big deal in 1978. Two unreleased performances! I clearly remember taping those two songs and shelving the album away. A lot of us back in the vinyl days did not mind repetition. Cause those unplayed cuts that I had elsewhere had ticks and pops inherent with overplayed vinyl records. So it was great to have a "reserve" of unplayed songs available for our own future tape compilations! LOL...

[drjohncarpenter]

I surely do not fret or get sad about posthumous compilations. The unreleased bonus tracks of the caliber of "If I Can Dream" and "Impossible Dream" was worth (for me) the price of admission. This was a big deal in 1978. Two unreleased performances! I clearly remember taping those two songs and shelving the album away. A lot of us back in the vinyl days did not mind repetition. Cause those unplayed cuts that I had elsewhere had ticks and pops inherent with overplayed vinyl records. So it was great to have a "reserve" of unplayed songs available for our own future tape compilations! LOL...

No, it wasn't. Every deep fan already had the live February 1972 recording of "The Impossible Dream (The Quest)" from the import LP The Legend Lives On, along with THREE more unreleased performances taped then!

And that's not even mentioning the fact that another version from June 1972 was issued at that time by RCA on the live New York LP.

Big deal? Um, no.

[poormadpeter2]

He Walks Beside Me may well stretch the idea of what is and what is not "songs of faith, hope and inspiration" - and because it was pressed in 1978 and produced by Joan Deary, the usual suspects come along and knock it. That said, Where Did They Go Lord and Padre are, at least, partly relevant due to their questioning of faith.

You're reaching. It is a plain fact they should not have been on such an LP. The songs were slotted by the producer because she was not cognizant of the lyrical content. They made the cut because of their titles. Neither were "Favorite Songs of Faith and Inspiration," which as I already noted is clearly printed on the album cover.

Furthermore, neither are a "questioning of faith." That's another reach. The former laments a loss of faithfulness in a marriage, the latter is just someone crying into their coffee cup.

It's funny how you comment on one half of my post, but not the other half which shows exactly the same thing happening by a producer that YOU RESPECT. How much easier it is to just edit out that part of the post and ignore it, rather than commenting on just how And the Grass Will Pay No Mind and I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen are "inspirational" in any shape or form. Or do you get inspired by "soft wet kisses?" Don't answer that.

And that's not even mentioning the fact that another live version from June 1972 had been issued on Welcome To My World a year earlier, in 1977, and of course the first live version, also from June 1972, was issued at that time by RCA on the live New York LP.

I would love to know which edition of Welcome to my World that you have which includes The Impossible Dream. Must be worth a fortune. Or can it be you don't know the difference between I Can't Stop Loving You and The Impossible Dream?

[Eggrert]

"Padre" is an old-school pop ballad. It is neither a song of faith nor inspiration. The person in this song is lamenting the breakup of his or her marriage to the priest who presided over the union. That doesn't make it "religious." He or she could have been down at their local bar, crying his or her eyes out, singing "Barkeep, oh, barkeep, in my grief I turn to you."

But the thing is, the narrator ISN'T saying, "Barkeep, oh barkeep." He's specifically addressing a priest (the very priest who married him to his lost love). And though it might not be "religious" in the sense that, say, Peace In The Valley is, it certainly has a religious aspect to it. Addressing the priest adds a whole other dimension to the song that wouldn't be there if he were just crying into a beer down at the local saloon.

I mean, with a few lyrical substitutions, Help Me could be a purely secular song. But so what? It's not.

[Juan Luis]

I surely do not fret or get sad about posthumous compilations. The unreleased bonus tracks of the caliber of "If I Can Dream" and "Impossible Dream" was worth (for me) the price of admission. This was a big deal in 1978. Two unreleased performances! I clearly remember taping those two songs and shelving the album away. A lot of us back in the vinyl days did not mind repetition. Cause those unplayed cuts that I had elsewhere had ticks and pops inherent with overplayed vinyl records. So it was great to have a "reserve" of unplayed songs available for our own future tape compilations! LOL...

No, it wasn't. Every deep fan already had the live February 1972 recording of "The Impossible Dream (The Quest)" from the import LP The Legend Lives On, along with THREE more unreleased performances taped then!

In 1978 every deep fan? No. And it was in stereo with great sound? No. Bootlegs by every deep fan in 1978. No. "Impossible Dream" as posted above. No.

[fn2drive]

I surely do not fret or get sad about posthumous compilations. The unreleased bonus tracks of the caliber of "If I Can Dream" and "Impossible Dream" was worth (for me) the price of admission. This was a big deal in 1978. Two unreleased performances! I clearly remember taping those two songs and shelving the album away. A lot of us back in the vinyl days did not mind repetition. Cause those unplayed cuts that I had elsewhere had ticks and pops inherent with overplayed vinyl records. So it was great to have a "reserve" of unplayed songs available for our own future tape compilations! LOL...

No, it wasn't. Every deep fan already had the live February 1972 recording of "The Impossible Dream (The Quest)" from the import LP The Legend Lives On, along with THREE more unreleased performances taped then!

In 1978 every deep fan? No. And it was in stereo with great sound? No. Bootlegs by every deep fan in 1978. No. "Impossible Dream" as posted above. No.

It was simply another chance to pick the fans pocket. As the Colonel said to Vernon,nothings changed. Padre and Where did they go are loves lost songs pure and simple. Help me is hardly secular but had no place on a single.

[drjohncarpenter]

But it's funny how the same people forget that "And the Grass Won't Pay No Mind" was included on "Elvis Inspirational" produced by Ernst and Roger - and for no more of a reason than the fact "God" is mentioned once in the song. HWBM did, at least include 2 previously unreleased performances, a religious number not previously on a gospel/religious album, and a side that had only been on single before.

It's funny how you comment on one half of my post, but not the other half which shows exactly the same thing happening by a producer that YOU RESPECT. How much easier it is to just edit out that part of the post and ignore it, rather than commenting on just how And the Grass Will Pay No Mind and I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen are "inspirational" in any shape or form. Or do you get inspired by "soft wet kisses?" Don't answer that.

Many things wrong here, which is why I simply ignored it the first time around. I didn't want to embarrass you further. But, since you insist ...

The 2006 mainstream retail compilation Elvis Inspirational was not "produced by Ernst and Roger" ... who I apparently "RESPECT" ... nor was it ever intended to be explicitly religious in nature. One look at the press release at the time, along with a scan of the twenty selections makes this very clear. It was a "genre" retail title from BMG USA, and John Hudson is credited with the A&R. Ernst and Roger assisted on compiling and preparing the chosen tracks, that was their role.

You are very good at one thing, though: picking out an inconsequential sub-discussion point and creating a straw man argument.

[Juan Luis]

A big deal about some contents of an old compilation by Joan Deary. That is where the problem lies. Her. Not really about the inclusions of two songs.
The unreleased material within was something in 1978. I played and enjoyed it a lot especially hearing Elvis sing "come true" in a totally different way for the ending of "If I Can Dream". Excellent selection.

[Davelee]

He Walks Beside Me may well stretch the idea of what is and what is not "songs of faith, hope and inspiration" - and because it was pressed in 1978 and produced by Joan Deary, the usual suspects come along and knock it. That said, Where Did They Go Lord and Padre are, at least, partly relevant due to their questioning of faith.

You're reaching. It is a plain fact they should not have been on such an LP. The songs were slotted by the producer because she was not cognizant of the lyrical content. They made the cut because of their titles. Neither were "Favorite Songs of Faith and Inspiration," which as I already noted is clearly printed on the album cover.

Furthermore, neither are a "questioning of faith." That's another reach. The former laments a loss of faithfulness in a marriage, the latter is just someone crying into their coffee cup.

He's just trying to make out something that isn't there.

Indeed, neither song falls under the catagory "faith and inspiration". Break up of marriages and crying in your coffee cup is Hardly "inspirational" or "faithfulness" - It's the writer's personal experience of loss.

[Davelee]

A big deal about some contents of an old compilation by Joan Deary. That is where the problem lies. Her. Not really about the inclusions of two songs.
The unreleased material within was something in 1978. I played and enjoyed it a lot especially hearing Elvis sing "come true" in a totally different way for the ending of "If I Can Dream". Excellent selection.

If you liked the two songs on the album, that's fine, but, trying to argue, on something you know nothing about, with the facts of the historical record about why the two songs were selected, wrongly, on the album, does you no favours except to cause another arguement.

[Davelee]

"Padre" is an old-school pop ballad. It is neither a song of faith nor inspiration. The person in this song is lamenting the breakup of his or her marriage to the priest who presided over the union. That doesn't make it "religious." He or she could have been down at their local bar, crying his or her eyes out, singing "Barkeep, oh, barkeep, in my grief I turn to you."

But the thing is, the narrator ISN'T saying, "Barkeep, oh barkeep." He's specifically addressing a priest (the very priest who married him to his lost love). And though it might not be "religious" in the sense that, say, Peace In The Valley is, it certainly has a religious aspect to it. Addressing the priest adds a whole other dimension to the song that wouldn't be there if he were just crying into a beer down at the local saloon.

I mean, with a few lyrical substitutions, Help Me could be a purely secular song. But so what? It's not.

Not really. Hes basically reminising about the priest that married them that he thought would last forever, and using that day the priest married them as a "comfront zone" for his loss, the rest of the song tells us what they once had and how it used to be, which is obviously what he wished he still had and therefore grieving over it, so there's not really any religious aspect to it.

[r&b]

Where else has that alternate version of If I Can Dream appeared since? FTD I assume?

[poormadpeter2]

But it's funny how the same people forget that "And the Grass Won't Pay No Mind" was included on "Elvis Inspirational" produced by Ernst and Roger - and for no more of a reason than the fact "God" is mentioned once in the song. HWBM did, at least include 2 previously unreleased performances, a religious number not previously on a gospel/religious album, and a side that had only been on single before.

It's funny how you comment on one half of my post, but not the other half which shows exactly the same thing happening by a producer that YOU RESPECT. How much easier it is to just edit out that part of the post and ignore it, rather than commenting on just how And the Grass Will Pay No Mind and I'll Take You Home Again Kathleen are "inspirational" in any shape or form. Or do you get inspired by "soft wet kisses?" Don't answer that.

Many things wrong here, which is why I simply ignored it the first time around. I didn't want to embarrass you further. But, since you insist ...

The 2006 mainstream retail compilation Elvis Inspirational was not "produced by Ernst and Roger" ... who I apparently "RESPECT" ... nor was it ever intended to be explicitly religious in nature. One look at the press release at the time, along with a scan of the twenty selections makes this very clear. It was a "genre" retail title from BMG USA, and John Hudson is credited with the A&R. Ernst and Roger assisted on compiling and preparing the chosen tracks, that was their role.

You are very good at one thing, though: picking out an inconsequential sub-discussion point and creating a straw man argument.

So the credits are incorrect on the CD cover then and you find the two songs mentioned to be inspirational? Remember that songs of inspiration was part of the description of he walks beside me. Do you think Kathleen and Grass would have fitted there?

[goldbelt]

He Walks Beside Me may well stretch the idea of what is and what is not "songs of faith, hope and inspiration" - and because it was pressed in 1978 and produced by Joan Deary, the usual suspects come along and knock it. That said, Where Did They Go Lord and Padre are, at least, partly relevant due to their questioning of faith.

You're reaching. It is a plain fact they should not have been on such an LP. The songs were slotted by the producer because she was not cognizant of the lyrical content. They made the cut because of their titles. Neither were "Favorite Songs of Faith and Inspiration," which as I already noted is clearly printed on the album cover.

Furthermore, neither are a "questioning of faith." That's another reach. The former laments a loss of faithfulness in a marriage, the latter is just someone crying into their coffee cup.

Neither song is an obvious choice for selection, but to suggest that as producer she was not aware of the lyrical content seems an illogical suggestion to be asserting.

The tracks run for 2 and a half minutes each, so even had she not previously been familiar with the lyrics (which is speculation to begin with, isn't it), to suggest that she would not have (at the very least) taken a whole 5 minutes to give the tracks a listen before including them seems a bizarre notion.

And there is content within the lyrics that encompass the subject of faith - to the point the word faith is even included in the lyrics of Where Did They Go Lord.

One song addresses a loss of faith in marriage vows with a plea to the Padre that presided over those vows, the other addresses the loss of a previously held faith in love and promises made.

[goldbelt]

"Padre" is an old-school pop ballad. It is neither a song of faith nor inspiration. The person in this song is lamenting the breakup of his or her marriage to the priest who presided over the union. That doesn't make it "religious." He or she could have been down at their local bar, crying his or her eyes out, singing "Barkeep, oh, barkeep, in my grief I turn to you."

But the thing is, the narrator ISN'T saying, "Barkeep, oh barkeep." He's specifically addressing a priest (the very priest who married him to his lost love). And though it might not be "religious" in the sense that, say, Peace In The Valley is, it certainly has a religious aspect to it. Addressing the priest adds a whole other dimension to the song that wouldn't be there if he were just crying into a beer down at the local saloon.

I mean, with a few lyrical substitutions, Help Me could be a purely secular song. But so what? It's not.

Not really. Hes basically reminising about the priest that married them that he thought would last forever, and using that day the priest married them as a "comfront zone" for his loss, the rest of the song tells us what they once had and how it used to be, which is obviously what he wished he still had and therefore grieving over it, so there's not really any religious aspect to it.

As previously stated, the song addresses a loss of faith in marriage vows with a direct plea (within the lyrics) to the Padre that presided over those vows.

[Johnny2523]

I recently played the ''He Walks Beside Me'' Vinyl record, and i immensly enjoyed it.. Including ''Padre'' and ''Where Did They Go Lord'' (which is a favourite of mine)

[Johnny2523]

and getting back on the subject of ''Padre'' i really like the alternate mix of the master as found on the ''Fool'' FTD