Excellent posting, and I'm in full agreement with you. Glad you enjoyed the topic!James27 wrote:Thanks for this thread. TTGTY as always been one of my eternal favorite Elvis songs. In my opinion, the version from the 2nd "sit-down show" in 1968, ranks amongst his greatest performances ever. If I could use only 1 video track to show to an aula full of university students for example, of who Elvis was, what he was all about, it would be that song in that version, turned up LOUD. Everything that is great about Elvis is on display in that version. We're so lucky it was filmed.
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Absolutely, I think the Aloha show would also have benefitted from "Mystery Train/Tiger Man" (or just "Tiger Man"). It could be argued that a superb version of this (12-08-70 MS) was already seen in part in TTWII. But the same could be said for Suspicious Minds, and still it turned up in the Aloha shows... That's All Right would have been also possible for Aloha, but that would have excluded See See Rider, because of the similar arrangement given to both songs.
I always found it regrettable that Elvis didn't consider "Baby Let's Play House" for use in his 70s live shows. In the TTWII rehearsal footage we can hear a complaint or mild annoyance voiced by Elvis that could have discouraged him to drop this song ("House") and "Money Honey" (if I'm not mistaken) because these songs supposed to have "no ending". Meaning: no "Vegas endings" (big ta-daaaa! orchestral endings). But I can't see how that could not have been worked out by arranger Glen or Elvis himself, IF he really wanted to do either of them. After all, he finished almost all of his songs on stage with the big ending, appropriate or not.
So I tend to believe he really wasn't that interested in reprising either song on stage. Which was too bad.
Back to topic, glad that Elvis did put some fire into his only officially recorded (released while he was alive) live version 1969-1977 of TTGTY on the Memphis live album. It's an early highlight of that show and I think one of the highlights from his multitrack recorded live output post 1970.
I always found it regrettable that Elvis didn't consider "Baby Let's Play House" for use in his 70s live shows. In the TTWII rehearsal footage we can hear a complaint or mild annoyance voiced by Elvis that could have discouraged him to drop this song ("House") and "Money Honey" (if I'm not mistaken) because these songs supposed to have "no ending". Meaning: no "Vegas endings" (big ta-daaaa! orchestral endings). But I can't see how that could not have been worked out by arranger Glen or Elvis himself, IF he really wanted to do either of them. After all, he finished almost all of his songs on stage with the big ending, appropriate or not.
So I tend to believe he really wasn't that interested in reprising either song on stage. Which was too bad.
Back to topic, glad that Elvis did put some fire into his only officially recorded (released while he was alive) live version 1969-1977 of TTGTY on the Memphis live album. It's an early highlight of that show and I think one of the highlights from his multitrack recorded live output post 1970.
SteamrollerBlues wrote:It would have been a very worthy addition to the Aloha special I think. Hope you enjoyed the topic!DEH wrote:I have always been surprised that he didn't add this regularly to setlist until 1974. He did a good version in Vegas in August 1971 and then nothing until 1974.
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I don't get the assertion that Elvis played piano on the 1955 version. I've never heard it and I don't think it could be mixed out of the recording by Sam. He wasn't multi-tracking, was he? Can't take a piano off a mono track.
Kind of shocking a big fan wouldn't have heard this great track from his legendary first album until a couple months ago.
More info please.
Kind of shocking a big fan wouldn't have heard this great track from his legendary first album until a couple months ago.
More info please.
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I got most of the information of off wiki, so if any incorrect info about the piano, it's their fault haha. I'm just the messenger.stevelecher wrote:I don't get the assertion that Elvis played piano on the 1955 version. I've never heard it and I don't think it could be mixed out of the recording by Sam. He wasn't multi-tracking, was he? Can't take a piano off a mono track.
Kind of shocking a big fan wouldn't have heard this great track from his legendary first album until a couple months ago.
More info please.
And really, I was always hugely into Elvis when I was little, I've explained how I got into Elvis in a thread on here a few months back. I was way young, but I knew my way around a computer well enough to watch Elvis on the early days of Youtube. I read a lot about Elvis and learned a lot at a young age, and hell, I probably did know at some time that it was on his debut LP. But I went a few years without listening to Elvis at all, so it probably just slipped my mind. Either way, it felt like I was hearing it for the first time discovered (or rediscovered) the 1955 cut.
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A great song. He never topped the 1955 version....
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I always felt that during that rehearsal he just wanted to run through the songs, therefore the "no ending" comment.James27 wrote:
I always found it regrettable that Elvis didn't consider "Baby Let's Play House" for use in his 70s live shows. In the TTWII rehearsal footage we can hear a complaint or mild annoyance voiced by Elvis that could have discouraged him to drop this song ("House") and "Money Honey" (if I'm not mistaken) because these songs supposed to have "no ending". Meaning: no "Vegas endings" (big ta-daaaa! orchestral endings). But I can't see how that could not have been worked out by arranger Glen or Elvis himself, IF he really wanted to do either of them.
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Probably my favorite SUN recording by Elvis. "Tryin' To Get To You" is a true masterpiece. I dedicated a thread to this song as well about 4 months ago (though not as elaborate as you). drjohncarpenter posted some very insightful replies so you might want to check it out:
"I've Been Traveling Over Mountains"
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=89727&p=1416342&hilit=Tryin%27+to+get#p1416342
Thanks for the informative thread SteamrollerBlues.
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Thanks for the informative thread SteamrollerBlues.
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Thank you and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I never saw your topic before and you were right about Doc's replies, they're well worth reading.Vince_Everett wrote:Probably my favorite SUN recording by Elvis. "Tryin' To Get To You" is a true masterpiece. I dedicated a thread to this song as well about 4 months ago (though not as elaborate as you). drjohncarpenter posted some very insightful replies so you might want to check it out:
"I've Been Traveling Over Mountains"
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=89727&p=1416342&hilit=Tryin%27+to+get#p1416342
Thanks for the informative thread SteamrollerBlues.
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It's happened to me also, only having heard certain not unknown tracks only later in my "hobby" (or whatever I can call my unending passion for Elvis' music). In a way that's what keeps things interesting, for me. Discovery. Especially with regards to the movie soundtrack recordings: there were a lot more gems buried in there than I realized for a long time (years). Also, my appreciation of several Nashville tracks from the early 60s has gone up considerably these past 5 or 6 years. I don't know why that is, I think because of listening how Elvis developed these songs through the outtakes on the FTD Classic Albums. There are tracks, both movie songs and regular studio songs, that I find so infectuous, that I wish a new composite was made from all the outtakes plus the master, just to prolong the continuing fun. By the end of the sixties bands released very long tracks on albums, 10-15 minutes. In concert often longer. Sometimes there were great pieces. Sometimes I wondered what the point was... But I found them seldom to match the quality of Elvis' best tracks of the early 60s, which were all 2-3 minutes songs and could have been stretched a few minutes longer (because the compositions were great, and Elvis such an adventurous singer).
Sometimes I found earlier takes if not as perfect, more catchy and fun than the masters. That could be due to certain instruments more prominent in the mix, better soloing, or a more relaxed vocal by Elvis. Or an interesting instrumental and/or vocal experimentation in earlier takes that sometimes was abandoned by the time the band reached the master take. In most cases they choose the right master take, but sometimes real gold was left in the can until FTD leaked it to us. Those outtakes have only enhanced my devotion and respect towards Elvis' legacy (and that of his bandmates) and masters.
With Trying To Get To You, the first time I heard that song, it was the 6 pm sit-down version on a VHS video called "One Night With You". So that was the version that I took to heart. Later on I liked the 8 pm version even more. But they're close. Only years later, by the end of the 90s, did I hear the original Sun record. While I *really* like that original '55 version, I still prefer his '68 live takes because of their raunchy rock 'n' roll rawness and Elvis' more mature voice.
Sometimes I found earlier takes if not as perfect, more catchy and fun than the masters. That could be due to certain instruments more prominent in the mix, better soloing, or a more relaxed vocal by Elvis. Or an interesting instrumental and/or vocal experimentation in earlier takes that sometimes was abandoned by the time the band reached the master take. In most cases they choose the right master take, but sometimes real gold was left in the can until FTD leaked it to us. Those outtakes have only enhanced my devotion and respect towards Elvis' legacy (and that of his bandmates) and masters.
With Trying To Get To You, the first time I heard that song, it was the 6 pm sit-down version on a VHS video called "One Night With You". So that was the version that I took to heart. Later on I liked the 8 pm version even more. But they're close. Only years later, by the end of the 90s, did I hear the original Sun record. While I *really* like that original '55 version, I still prefer his '68 live takes because of their raunchy rock 'n' roll rawness and Elvis' more mature voice.
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Hi everybody
The song is great and the perfomances from Elvis are for the most part timeless.no matter the year.
A lot of people dont know that the version from 1956 inspired to Paul Mcartney ,with the help from George Harrison, to write In spite of all the danger, one of the first own compositions .recorded in a little studio in liverpool owned by a man called Phillips, on a acetate in 1958 when The Beatles were still The Quarrymen.The recording is available on the Anthology cd vol1 and the song structure and tempo is very similar.
Cheers
The song is great and the perfomances from Elvis are for the most part timeless.no matter the year.
A lot of people dont know that the version from 1956 inspired to Paul Mcartney ,with the help from George Harrison, to write In spite of all the danger, one of the first own compositions .recorded in a little studio in liverpool owned by a man called Phillips, on a acetate in 1958 when The Beatles were still The Quarrymen.The recording is available on the Anthology cd vol1 and the song structure and tempo is very similar.
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On an Elvis forum you're going to get a lot more people having full well known that story before, in comparsion to outside this forum. Same with a Beatles forum probably.
The master version that supposedly inspired The Fab Four was not from 1956 (RCA) but from 1955 (Sun Records).
Over at RCA they tried hard to recreate the unique Phillips sound, but failed. Nevertheless, they came up with something different that was in its own way unique sounding, both lyrical and sound-wise: Heartbreak Hotel. That was really the Big Bang. The step from 1955 to 1956 was a GIANT leap in every way for Elvis and his career plus presentation: his diction got more neutral, his look more stylized, his stage act was perfectionized now through hundreds of shows in '54 and '55. In 1956 because of his record successes, he was able to do a lot of TV (but not too much, no overexposure, smart from the colonel), then doing a movie with absolutely no dramatic experience yet a modestly good result, next to an even harder live schedule to keep (bigger venues, more shouting/bothering, controversy throughout the land as if he were the anti-christ ...) because of all the other factors in play all at once. And then - then our boy still found time to play around with dozens of girls and women.
The master version that supposedly inspired The Fab Four was not from 1956 (RCA) but from 1955 (Sun Records).
Over at RCA they tried hard to recreate the unique Phillips sound, but failed. Nevertheless, they came up with something different that was in its own way unique sounding, both lyrical and sound-wise: Heartbreak Hotel. That was really the Big Bang. The step from 1955 to 1956 was a GIANT leap in every way for Elvis and his career plus presentation: his diction got more neutral, his look more stylized, his stage act was perfectionized now through hundreds of shows in '54 and '55. In 1956 because of his record successes, he was able to do a lot of TV (but not too much, no overexposure, smart from the colonel), then doing a movie with absolutely no dramatic experience yet a modestly good result, next to an even harder live schedule to keep (bigger venues, more shouting/bothering, controversy throughout the land as if he were the anti-christ ...) because of all the other factors in play all at once. And then - then our boy still found time to play around with dozens of girls and women.
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Yes, it's a great story. Paul gave George half credit because his young friend played the solo. The complete recording remains unreleased, still in the McCartney archives.elopez wrote:Hi everybody
The song is great and the perfomances from Elvis are for the most part timeless.no matter the year.
A lot of people dont know that the version from 1956 inspired to Paul Mcartney ,with the help from George Harrison, to write In spite of all the danger, one of the first own compositions .recorded in a little studio in liverpool owned by a man called Phillips, on a acetate in 1958 when The Beatles were still The Quarrymen.The recording is available on the Anthology cd vol1 and the song structure and tempo is very similar.
Cheers
12 July 1958: Recording: In Spite Of All The Danger, That'll Be The Day | The Beatles Bible
http://www.beatlesbible.com/1958/07/12/recording-in-spite-of-all-the-danger-thatll-be-the-day/
"Tryin' to Get to You" was issued as a U.K. single A-side on the HMV label in October 1957, and that's most likely the first place the fifteen year-old McCartney heard it.
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Thanks for the correction doc,as always youre a great source of correct information.
The acetate on the side with In spite of all the danger is damaged beyond repair after the guitar solo,ruining a chorus and another verse,so never well be able to ear the complete recording.A pity.
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The acetate on the side with In spite of all the danger is damaged beyond repair after the guitar solo,ruining a chorus and another verse,so never well be able to ear the complete recording.A pity.
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Thank you!elopez wrote:Thanks for the correction doc,as always youre a great source of correct information.
The acetate on the side with In spite of all the danger is damaged beyond repair after the guitar solo,ruining a chorus and another verse,so never well be able to ear the complete recording.A pity.
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I don't believe that the disc is damaged as you claim. Paul McCartney had the audio restored and a few dozen exact copies made of the disc, which he gave to friends and colleagues. So the full performance should be complete.
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Yes paul made copies for his friends and the record was digitally restored in 1982 (paul purchased the acetate in october 1981).Geoff Emerick.the enginner in charge along George Martin in the preparation of the Anthology audio project said in a interview that the acetate was damaged when the remaster was made for Anthology.The digital copy from paul wasnt used.it was a new transfer.I got to find the interview ,i have it somewhere.
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That is correct. Even the title is a line from "Tryin' To Get To You" verse "in spite of all you put me through". In an interview with Lewishon, McCartney does say it was inspired by an Elvis song but he was a bit hesitant to tell Lewishon which song, but it's since been known which song it is.elopez wrote:Hi everybody
The song is great and the perfomances from Elvis are for the most part timeless.no matter the year.
A lot of people dont know that the version from 1956 inspired to Paul Mcartney ,with the help from George Harrison, to write In spite of all the danger, one of the first own compositions .recorded in a little studio in liverpool owned by a man called Phillips, on a acetate in 1958 when The Beatles were still The Quarrymen.The recording is available on the Anthology cd vol1 and the song structure and tempo is very similar.
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Is this a photo of a Ricky Nelson Flaming Star wannabe? Btw that is the absolute worst version of "Trying To Get To You" in the history of our planet.Lonely Summer wrote:As many here know, I am a major Ricky fan, but his version of this song can't come close to what Elvis does with the song. And this was one of the few 50's songs that Elvis never lost his passion for. He may be sick, tired, and in general poor health in '77, but he gives that song all he's got. I will never understand how the producers could have left it out of the EIC tv special.Stevenson wrote:Thanks, Steamroller, for this grat topic!
I love the song, especially the line:
"Or could keep me away from you" - pure gold!
I recently stumbled upon this version of Ricky Nelson, which is quite good (perhaps despite the fact he sounds so delicate, almost as anemic ), love the voices in the background singing: "Tryyyyyin'...." Hear for yourself:
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For years when I was a kid, the only way I was able to hear this song was on my mom's old, beat up "Elvis Presley" album, and it was unplayable from the guitar solo on. As soon as the solo kicked in, I'd hear a loud "CHHHHHHHFFFSSSSSSTTHHHH" as the needle would fall into a big crevice, followed by my mom shouting "I told you not to play that song or you'll ruin the record player!"
It was one of the first titles I sought out on CD.
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I honestly think that Elvis brings something new to the song at Sun, the 8pm June sit down and in March 74 during the Memphis concert. All these versions are astonishingly different in their presentation yet original and superb. Sun is my favourite if I had to choose.
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And Suspicious Minds is one of the worst performances from Aloha. It is doubtful Elvis could have pulled off Mystery Train/Tiger man in January 1973. Aside from Burning Love and Steamroller Blues, Elvis' best moments from Aloha are generally ballads and grandiose pieces.James27 wrote:Absolutely, I think the Aloha show would also have benefitted from "Mystery Train/Tiger Man" (or just "Tiger Man"). It could be argued that a superb version of this (12-08-70 MS) was already seen in part in TTWII. But the same could be said for Suspicious Minds, and still it turned up in the Aloha shows... That's All Right would have been also possible for Aloha, but that would have excluded See See Rider, because of the similar arrangement given to both songs.
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Indeed, the similarities of the songs are clear.drjohncarpenter wrote:Yes, it's a great story. Paul gave George half credit because his young friend played the solo. The complete recording remains unreleased, still in the McCartney archives.elopez wrote:Hi everybody
The song is great and the perfomances from Elvis are for the most part timeless.no matter the year.
A lot of people dont know that the version from 1956 inspired to Paul Mcartney ,with the help from George Harrison, to write In spite of all the danger, one of the first own compositions .recorded in a little studio in liverpool owned by a man called Phillips, on a acetate in 1958 when The Beatles were still The Quarrymen.The recording is available on the Anthology cd vol1 and the song structure and tempo is very similar.
Cheers
12 July 1958: Recording: In Spite Of All The Danger, That'll Be The Day | The Beatles Bible
http://www.beatlesbible.com/1958/07/12/recording-in-spite-of-all-the-danger-thatll-be-the-day/
"Tryin' to Get to You" was issued as a U.K. single A-side on the HMV label in October 1957, and that's most likely the first place the fifteen year-old McCartney heard it.
It was fun to hear Paul McCartney perform the song in his show in Helsinki in 2004.
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I love the song and I like Ricky very much too and I couldn`t agree more.......Some time back I found a live recording of the song by Ricky, but got quite disappointed ......it`s like he didn`t quite get the feeling of the song as Elvis did on so many occasions(recordings) Elvis always will be my no.1 singing Trying to get to you.....I think.Lonely Summer wrote:As many here know, I am a major Ricky fan, but his version of this song can't come close to what Elvis does with the song. And this was one of the few 50's songs that Elvis never lost his passion for. He may be sick, tired, and in general poor health in '77, but he gives that song all he's got. I will never understand how the producers could have left it out of the EIC tv special.Stevenson wrote:Thanks, Steamroller, for this grat topic!
I love the song, especially the line:
"Or could keep me away from you" - pure gold!
I recently stumbled upon this version of Ricky Nelson, which is quite good (perhaps despite the fact he sounds so delicate, almost as anemic ), love the voices in the background singing: "Tryyyyyin'...." Hear for yourself:
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promiseland wrote:Btw that is the absolute worst version of "Trying To Get To You" in the history of our planet.
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"Tryin' To Get To You" was released at the time by The Teen Kings - I know someone who acquired an original Je-Wel copy of the 45rpm single for £1, 000 about 5yrs ago, it's a mega rare item.drjohncarpenter wrote:This is incorrect. Elvis' Sun recording of "Tryin' to Get to You" (correct spelling) was issued by RCA in March 1956, on his debut LP. The album was a huge seller, and it is quite likely that Roy Orbison was inspired by the Presley track.SteamrollerBlues wrote:After McCoy and Singleton wrote Trying To Get To You in 1954, it was first recorded by The Eagles and released on Mercury Records. And all though Elvis recorded his version before The Teen Kings w/ Roy Orbinson, their version was released in April 1956, months before Presley’s August single release.
Elvis Presley (RCA LPM 1254, March 17, 1956)
Also, it is unclear whether the JE-WEL single by the Teen Kings, which had it on the B-side, was ever actually distributed to retail outlets before the group was invited to Sun for a session with Sam Phillips. The resulting single, Sun 242, released May 12, 1956, kept the A-side, "Ooby Dooby," but dropped "Tryin' to Get to You." The Orbison recording of this number at Sun would not surface until the Sun LP released years later, Roy Orbison At The Rock House (Sun SLP 1260, December 4, 1961).
Teen Kings "Trying To Get You" (JE-WEL 101, April 1956)
Note: title incorrect on label!
It's a wonderful song, no doubt, and certainly Presley's Sun recording does not stray far from the obscure Mercury recording by the Eagles, especially the lead vocalist. Looking at all the known performances of it by Elvis, it is without question that his otherworldly rendition from the 6-27-1968 8pm show in Burbank, may be the finest three minutes of his entire career. It is the essence of life, its joy, hope and dreams, all done by one man, one voice, and just one electric guitar. It is a tour de force. RCA issued it without fanfare, in January 1974's anthology, Elvis: A Legendary Performer, Volume 1.
Thanks for the topic!
Also, at the time Roy recorded "Ooby Dooby" for Je-Wel the demo was also passed over to Columbia Records and into the hands of obscure Rockabilly artist Sid King and the Five Strings who released it in 56 to no great shakes - another collectors item but not as rare as the Teen Kings version.
Oh, the Je-Wel single was recorded at Norman Petty's studio in Clovis, New Mexico.
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Re: "There were many miles between us.." -> Trying To Get To
Here's a 78rpm copy of Orbisons Je-Wel release.
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