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Scarre wrote:I'm not pointing fingers...but why haven't John or fn2drive commented regarding my question...
Because it's an awkward question. But don't worry The Brady Bunch videos will be posted again soon!




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poormadpeter2 wrote:
Scarre wrote:I'm not pointing fingers...but why haven't John or fn2drive commented regarding my question...
Because it's an awkward question. But don't worry The Brady Bunch videos will be posted again soon!

I asked fn2drive to show a little respect...and stop the name-calling. John didn't notice any name-calling. I asked, since he didn't see any name-calling, if it was ok to call him a hack, just as fn2drive has done so many times before...
Just like magic...the posts where gone...



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fn2drive wrote:
Fabbe wrote:
fn2drive wrote:
Fabbe wrote:
fn2drive wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
goldbelt wrote:O Come, All Ye Faithful has a heritage that spans centuries, and a great deal more prestige than novelty stuff such as Jingle Bell Rock that some would rather he had recorded.

It's absolutely correct for a singer of Elvis stature to have recorded a song like O Come, All Ye Faithful, no matter how many artists or TV show casts had recorded it before him. Especially when his version was so well crafted.

Other than 'the doc', it's unlikely anyone found the need to compare it to his new favourite Brady Bunch album, then or now.
I am still trying to work out what is apparently so wrong with O Come All Ye Faithful as material, but not Silent Night or O Little Town of Bethlehem - both recorded just as often. But it was the 50s, so a free pass.
... What is wrong is praising a very mediocre performance...
it's not wrong because they think the performance is good :-) and that is fine. Good or bad depends on the listener.


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It is wrong to praise and elevate mediocre works imo because in doing so you denigrate great works ie everybody today gets labeled a superstar, a super model etc when they are barely celebrities for more than 15 minutes. Liking it is fine and subjective. In the track that is the title of this thread, we have the additional insight of the record buying public who ignored it when released as a single.It did not resonate with the record buying public demonstrating the true value of this mediocre track overdubbed to monstrous proportions. F stands for Felton and Failure.
its not wrong because to them it is good :-) of course they -- like you and me -- praise what consider good. How can that be wrong?


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I believe most people are capable of being objective. That is separating their personal taste from their critical assessment except when you are merely a fanboi. I love The Love Machine. It is a pitiful record but i enjoy it-but it is pitiful and i have no problem saying it. If someone where to ask how could i listen to that garbage, i would say i have no idea why i like it but i do. Not embarrassed by it and certainly would never try to convince anyone to do more than hear it once knowing full well it would be a rare soul that would listen twice. Possessing intellectual honesty is a most important attribute of adult. Fanboi-ism is best left to 12 and 13 yr old girls and boys.
And you have that in your possession?




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Thank you, John...but the links come up empty.




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Scarre wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Scarre wrote:I'm not pointing fingers...but why haven't John or fn2drive commented regarding my question...
Because it's an awkward question. But don't worry The Brady Bunch videos will be posted again soon!

I asked fn2drive to show a little respect...and stop the name-calling. John didn't notice any name-calling. I asked, since he didn't see any name-calling, if it was ok to call him a hack, just as fn2drive has done so many times before...
Just like magic...the posts where gone...
Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?


Hack n. 1. a person, esp. a professional, who surrenders individual independence, integrity, belief, etc., in return for money or other reward


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Re: The Majestic "O Come, All Ye Faithful"

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fn2drive wrote:
Scarre wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Scarre wrote:I'm not pointing fingers...but why haven't John or fn2drive commented regarding my question...
Because it's an awkward question. But don't worry The Brady Bunch videos will be posted again soon!

I asked fn2drive to show a little respect...and stop the name-calling. John didn't notice any name-calling. I asked, since he didn't see any name-calling, if it was ok to call him a hack, just as fn2drive has done so many times before...
Just like magic...the posts where gone...
Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?
No.




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fn2drive wrote:
Scarre wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Scarre wrote:I'm not pointing fingers...but why haven't John or fn2drive commented regarding my question...
Because it's an awkward question. But don't worry The Brady Bunch videos will be posted again soon!

I asked fn2drive to show a little respect...and stop the name-calling. John didn't notice any name-calling. I asked, since he didn't see any name-calling, if it was ok to call him a hack, just as fn2drive has done so many times before...
Just like magic...the posts where gone...
Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?

Hack isn't name-calling? "a particular set of behavior" that goes for "liar" too, and even though it is proved that some are, you can not call one that. Same goes for hack. If I was to call members that, I would very quickly be banned...




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Re: The Majestic "O Come, All Ye Faithful"

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Scarre wrote:
fn2drive wrote:
Scarre wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
Scarre wrote:I'm not pointing fingers...but why haven't John or fn2drive commented regarding my question...
Because it's an awkward question. But don't worry The Brady Bunch videos will be posted again soon!

I asked fn2drive to show a little respect...and stop the name-calling. John didn't notice any name-calling. I asked, since he didn't see any name-calling, if it was ok to call him a hack, just as fn2drive has done so many times before...
Just like magic...the posts where gone...
Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?
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Hack isn't name-calling? "a particular set of behavior" that goes for "liar" too, and even though it is proved that some are, you can not call one that. Same goes for hack. If I was to call members that, I would very quickly be banned...
Exactly. Although it is pretty clear to be that someone obsessed with drugs and the hack thing has to have some personal problems with that. Anyhow, that shows incredible disrespect. And I know very well that disrespecting Felton Jarvis is done with the sole aim at irking and baiting me.



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Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.




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jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Stop it! And speak for yourself. Us= three of you. BTW.. who wrote that? Me? No...




"Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?"




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jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Jarvis was not brought up in this thread by Juan, nor in most other threads of late. If you want to blame people, blame Davelee, Doc, Midnightx, fn2drive etc. They are the ones bringing him up in each thread. The same is true on this thread, and on the Little Egypt thread. On this occasion, when the thread was revived, it was fn2drive who couldn't resist.

https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=90964&p=1543962&hilit=jarvis#p1543962

So, enough with the new game of someone else stirring the pot and providing the bait and Juan getting the blame for it.




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poormadpeter2 wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Jarvis was not brought up in this thread by Juan, nor in most other threads of late. If you want to blame people, blame Davelee, Doc, Midnightx, fn2drive etc. They are the ones bringing him up in each thread. The same is true on this thread, and on the Little Egypt thread. On this occasion, when the thread was revived, it was fn2drive who couldn't resist.

https://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=90964&p=1543962&hilit=jarvis#p1543962

So, enough with the new game of someone else stirring the pot and providing the bait and Juan getting the blame for it.
Thank you.




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Juan Luis wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Stop it! And speak for yourself. Us= three of you. BTW.. who wrote that? Me? No...




"Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?"
A couple of things. My interest is in ensuring that Felton is treated properly by history-that is that his failures are documented and fanbois do not taint truth. Elvis' greatest works were produced by Sam Phillips, Steve Sholes, Steve Binder and Chips Moman. Admittedly, Jarvis was there in 1967 when Elvis tried to break out of his funk. But by becoming employed by Elvis, he became a cheerleader, lost all objectivity and sought to hold on to his paycheck-that is a hack. Perhaps had he remained in RCA's employ, he would have been able to be more objective but that actually seems unlikely. He has no record of producing a lasting string of hit records and the only reason he is spoken of is because of his association with Elvis. I hope you understand that i have no interest in you on a personal level-but every time you seek to elevate a mediocre performance overdubbed to monstrous proportions by a failed Nashville record label session producer, it cant go unchallenged. Doing so denigrates the genius of Elvis and the producers who inspired his greatness. You shouldnt feel so self important-my interest is in elevating Elvis' actual legacy-nothng to do with you or your misplaced affection of Felton Jarvis' 'producing' skills.

Life is filled with choices. Some people fight for what they believe; others settle for a steady paycheck and losing a little bit of their soul each time they gulp hard and do what they know is wrong. Sadly Felton Jarvis falls into the second camp and we are all poorer as a result.

The track that inspired this thread is another in a long line mediocrity you seek to elevate. Is it listenable, yes. Is it majestic-face it-that was beyond Felton Jarvis' capabilities. And so i ask again, how did this track chart?


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Re: The Majestic "O Come, All Ye Faithful"

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fn2drive wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Stop it! And speak for yourself. Us= three of you. BTW.. who wrote that? Me? No...




"Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?"
A couple of things. My interest is in ensuring that Felton is treated properly by history-that is that his failures are documented and fanbois do not taint truth. Elvis' greatest works were produced by Sam Phillips, Steve Sholes, Steve Binder and Chips Moman. Admittedly, Jarvis was there in 1967 when Elvis tried to break out of his funk. But by becoming employed by Elvis, he became a cheerleader, lost all objectivity and sought to hold on to his paycheck-that is a hack. Perhaps had he remained in RCA's employ, he would have been able to be more objective but that actually seems unlikely. He has no record of producing a lasting string of hit records and the only reason he is spoken of is because of his association with Elvis. I hope you understand that i have no interest in you on a personal level-but every time you seek to elevate a mediocre performance overdubbed to monstrous proportions by a failed Nashville record label session producer, it cant go unchallenged. Doing so denigrates the genius of Elvis and the producers who inspired his greatness. You shouldnt feel so self important-my interest is in elevating Elvis' actual legacy-nothng to do with you or your misplaced affection of Felton Jarvis' 'producing' skills.

Life is filled with choices. Some people fight for what they believe; others settle for a steady paycheck and losing a little bit of their soul each time they gulp hard and do what they know is wrong. Sadly Felton Jarvis falls into the second camp and we are all poorer as a result.

The track that inspired this thread is another in a long line mediocrity you seek to elevate. Is it listenable, yes. Is it majestic-face it-that was beyond Felton Jarvis' capabilities. And so i ask again, how did this track chart?
Not true. Georgia Music hall of fame for his good work with other artists as well. A few Grammy's and million sellers without Elvis as well. He is not known in history as a failed producer. Only in your mind and the one you cheerlead. Funny that, not even Felton cheerleaded Elvis as you (and couple of others) do to the one. :lol:




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jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Do your homework and read what PMP2 wrote...Keep up or keep quiet, thank you.



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fn2drive wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Stop it! And speak for yourself. Us= three of you. BTW.. who wrote that? Me? No...




"Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?"
A couple of things. My interest is in ensuring that Felton is treated properly by history-that is that his failures are documented and fanbois do not taint truth.
They are not tainting the truth -- simply because history needs interpretation. Only measurable facts or events can be classified as true or not -- any conclusion you, me or anybody makes out of facts are evaluation, opinions, believes etc. The truth is only for Greg Nolan: "Greg Nolan is here with the truth.;-)




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fn2drive wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Stop it! And speak for yourself. Us= three of you. BTW.. who wrote that? Me? No...




"Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?"
A couple of things. My interest is in ensuring that Felton is treated properly by history-that is that his failures are documented and fanbois do not taint truth. Elvis' greatest works were produced by Sam Phillips, Steve Sholes, Steve Binder and Chips Moman. Admittedly, Jarvis was there in 1967 when Elvis tried to break out of his funk. But by becoming employed by Elvis, he became a cheerleader, lost all objectivity and sought to hold on to his paycheck-that is a hack. Perhaps had he remained in RCA's employ, he would have been able to be more objective but that actually seems unlikely. He has no record of producing a lasting string of hit records and the only reason he is spoken of is because of his association with Elvis. I hope you understand that i have no interest in you on a personal level-but every time you seek to elevate a mediocre performance overdubbed to monstrous proportions by a failed Nashville record label session producer, it cant go unchallenged. Doing so denigrates the genius of Elvis and the producers who inspired his greatness. You shouldnt feel so self important-my interest is in elevating Elvis' actual legacy-nothng to do with you or your misplaced affection of Felton Jarvis' 'producing' skills.

Life is filled with choices. Some people fight for what they believe; others settle for a steady paycheck and losing a little bit of their soul each time they gulp hard and do what they know is wrong. Sadly Felton Jarvis falls into the second camp and we are all poorer as a result.

The track that inspired this thread is another in a long line mediocrity you seek to elevate. Is it listenable, yes. Is it majestic-face it-that was beyond Felton Jarvis' capabilities. And so i ask again, how did this track chart?
Oh boy...where to start...

Felton treated properly by history? Why not start with yourself. Just about every post you make here, is to put Felton down.
You talk about fanbois, and how you like to keep history right. Problem is, you never give credit where credit is due.


He has, as those of us who can recognize the facts, " a lasting string of hit records"...well, it ended in 1977...but even that last year, hits where made and released.

I don't think FJ was a great producer, his place wasn't that easy, but he did his best. I believe it was Peter Guralnick who, in one of his books, wrote how hard Felton worked, with all that inferior material, to get the Moody Blue album together.

Elvis loved Jarvis
Elvis wanted Jarvis
Elvis hired Jarvis

Life is filled with choices, you say. Why not then say that the glass is half full instead of half empty?

ps. his overdubs where almost always good ds.




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Re: The Majestic "O Come, All Ye Faithful"

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fn2drive wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Stop it! And speak for yourself. Us= three of you. BTW.. who wrote that? Me? No...




"Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?"
A couple of things. My interest is in ensuring that Felton is treated properly by history-that is that his failures are documented and fanbois do not taint truth. Elvis' greatest works were produced by Sam Phillips, Steve Sholes, Steve Binder and Chips Moman. Admittedly, Jarvis was there in 1967 when Elvis tried to break out of his funk. But by becoming employed by Elvis, he became a cheerleader, lost all objectivity and sought to hold on to his paycheck-that is a hack. Perhaps had he remained in RCA's employ, he would have been able to be more objective but that actually seems unlikely. He has no record of producing a lasting string of hit records and the only reason he is spoken of is because of his association with Elvis. I hope you understand that i have no interest in you on a personal level-but every time you seek to elevate a mediocre performance overdubbed to monstrous proportions by a failed Nashville record label session producer, it cant go unchallenged. Doing so denigrates the genius of Elvis and the producers who inspired his greatness. You shouldnt feel so self important-my interest is in elevating Elvis' actual legacy-nothng to do with you or your misplaced affection of Felton Jarvis' 'producing' skills.

Life is filled with choices. Some people fight for what they believe; others settle for a steady paycheck and losing a little bit of their soul each time they gulp hard and do what they know is wrong. Sadly Felton Jarvis falls into the second camp and we are all poorer as a result.

The track that inspired this thread is another in a long line mediocrity you seek to elevate. Is it listenable, yes. Is it majestic-face it-that was beyond Felton Jarvis' capabilities. And so i ask again, how did this track chart?
Oh dear. 2016 has been unpredictable, to be sure, but now we have fn2drive - he of the Padre jokes and pledging obsession - trying to persuade us that he is here for noble reasons, making sure that it is properly recorded and the truth is not tainted.

Bloody hell! Never laughed so much in my life!

Your posts throughout 2016 show that you have no interest in adult debate or discussion; that you rarely, if ever, bring new information to the table; that you take delight in repeating infantile jokes over and over; that you have an unhealthy obsession with pledges; and that your main interest here is to stir, take the p*ss, derail as many topics as you can, and cause as much mayhem as possible.

So, please, don't come here making out you are in search of "the truth." If you have any interest in that, start by looking back at your 829 posts over the last twelve months - no less than 61 of which refer to "pledges," 98 of which refer to "Padre," and 147 of which refer to Felton Jarvis. Those numbers reflect that if anyone has an obsession on here, it's you.

I will close by thanking you for the laugh your post has created. I guess we all need one after what 2016 has thrown at us, so at last a post from you that has been worthwhile.




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poormadpeter2 wrote:
fn2drive wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Stop it! And speak for yourself. Us= three of you. BTW.. who wrote that? Me? No...




"Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?"
A couple of things. My interest is in ensuring that Felton is treated properly by history-that is that his failures are documented and fanbois do not taint truth. Elvis' greatest works were produced by Sam Phillips, Steve Sholes, Steve Binder and Chips Moman. Admittedly, Jarvis was there in 1967 when Elvis tried to break out of his funk. But by becoming employed by Elvis, he became a cheerleader, lost all objectivity and sought to hold on to his paycheck-that is a hack. Perhaps had he remained in RCA's employ, he would have been able to be more objective but that actually seems unlikely. He has no record of producing a lasting string of hit records and the only reason he is spoken of is because of his association with Elvis. I hope you understand that i have no interest in you on a personal level-but every time you seek to elevate a mediocre performance overdubbed to monstrous proportions by a failed Nashville record label session producer, it cant go unchallenged. Doing so denigrates the genius of Elvis and the producers who inspired his greatness. You shouldnt feel so self important-my interest is in elevating Elvis' actual legacy-nothng to do with you or your misplaced affection of Felton Jarvis' 'producing' skills.

Life is filled with choices. Some people fight for what they believe; others settle for a steady paycheck and losing a little bit of their soul each time they gulp hard and do what they know is wrong. Sadly Felton Jarvis falls into the second camp and we are all poorer as a result.

The track that inspired this thread is another in a long line mediocrity you seek to elevate. Is it listenable, yes. Is it majestic-face it-that was beyond Felton Jarvis' capabilities. And so i ask again, how did this track chart?
Oh dear. 2016 has been unpredictable, to be sure, but now we have fn2drive - he of the Padre jokes and pledging obsession - trying to persuade us that he is here for noble reasons, making sure that it is properly recorded and the truth is not tainted.

Bloody hell! Never laughed so much in my life!

Your posts throughout 2016 show that you have no interest in adult debate or discussion; that you rarely, if ever, bring new information to the table; that you take delight in repeating infantile jokes over and over; that you have an unhealthy obsession with pledges; and that your main interest here is to stir, take the p*ss, derail as many topics as you can, and cause as much mayhem as possible.

So, please, don't come here making out you are in search of "the truth." If you have any interest in that, start by looking back at your 829 posts over the last twelve months - no less than 61 of which refer to "pledges," 98 of which refer to "Padre," and 147 of which refer to Felton Jarvis. Those numbers reflect that if anyone has an obsession on here, it's you.

I will close by thanking you for the laugh your post has created. I guess we all need one after what 2016 has thrown at us, so at last a post from you that has been worthwhile.
98 Padre posts? ...147 Felton posts?...Wow. You do see where all this is going?




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Re: The Majestic "O Come, All Ye Faithful"

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Scarre wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
fn2drive wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Stop it! And speak for yourself. Us= three of you. BTW.. who wrote that? Me? No...




"Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?"
A couple of things. My interest is in ensuring that Felton is treated properly by history-that is that his failures are documented and fanbois do not taint truth. Elvis' greatest works were produced by Sam Phillips, Steve Sholes, Steve Binder and Chips Moman. Admittedly, Jarvis was there in 1967 when Elvis tried to break out of his funk. But by becoming employed by Elvis, he became a cheerleader, lost all objectivity and sought to hold on to his paycheck-that is a hack. Perhaps had he remained in RCA's employ, he would have been able to be more objective but that actually seems unlikely. He has no record of producing a lasting string of hit records and the only reason he is spoken of is because of his association with Elvis. I hope you understand that i have no interest in you on a personal level-but every time you seek to elevate a mediocre performance overdubbed to monstrous proportions by a failed Nashville record label session producer, it cant go unchallenged. Doing so denigrates the genius of Elvis and the producers who inspired his greatness. You shouldnt feel so self important-my interest is in elevating Elvis' actual legacy-nothng to do with you or your misplaced affection of Felton Jarvis' 'producing' skills.

Life is filled with choices. Some people fight for what they believe; others settle for a steady paycheck and losing a little bit of their soul each time they gulp hard and do what they know is wrong. Sadly Felton Jarvis falls into the second camp and we are all poorer as a result.

The track that inspired this thread is another in a long line mediocrity you seek to elevate. Is it listenable, yes. Is it majestic-face it-that was beyond Felton Jarvis' capabilities. And so i ask again, how did this track chart?
Oh dear. 2016 has been unpredictable, to be sure, but now we have fn2drive - he of the Padre jokes and pledging obsession - trying to persuade us that he is here for noble reasons, making sure that it is properly recorded and the truth is not tainted.

Bloody hell! Never laughed so much in my life!

Your posts throughout 2016 show that you have no interest in adult debate or discussion; that you rarely, if ever, bring new information to the table; that you take delight in repeating infantile jokes over and over; that you have an unhealthy obsession with pledges; and that your main interest here is to stir, take the p*ss, derail as many topics as you can, and cause as much mayhem as possible.

So, please, don't come here making out you are in search of "the truth." If you have any interest in that, start by looking back at your 829 posts over the last twelve months - no less than 61 of which refer to "pledges," 98 of which refer to "Padre," and 147 of which refer to Felton Jarvis. Those numbers reflect that if anyone has an obsession on here, it's you.

I will close by thanking you for the laugh your post has created. I guess we all need one after what 2016 has thrown at us, so at last a post from you that has been worthwhile.
98 Padre posts? ...147 Felton posts?...Wow. You do see where all this is going?
A thread that won't be intentionally derailed in 2017?!




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Re: The Majestic "O Come, All Ye Faithful"

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Scarre wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
fn2drive wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Stop it! And speak for yourself. Us= three of you. BTW.. who wrote that? Me? No...




"Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?"
A couple of things. My interest is in ensuring that Felton is treated properly by history-that is that his failures are documented and fanbois do not taint truth. Elvis' greatest works were produced by Sam Phillips, Steve Sholes, Steve Binder and Chips Moman. Admittedly, Jarvis was there in 1967 when Elvis tried to break out of his funk. But by becoming employed by Elvis, he became a cheerleader, lost all objectivity and sought to hold on to his paycheck-that is a hack. Perhaps had he remained in RCA's employ, he would have been able to be more objective but that actually seems unlikely. He has no record of producing a lasting string of hit records and the only reason he is spoken of is because of his association with Elvis. I hope you understand that i have no interest in you on a personal level-but every time you seek to elevate a mediocre performance overdubbed to monstrous proportions by a failed Nashville record label session producer, it cant go unchallenged. Doing so denigrates the genius of Elvis and the producers who inspired his greatness. You shouldnt feel so self important-my interest is in elevating Elvis' actual legacy-nothng to do with you or your misplaced affection of Felton Jarvis' 'producing' skills.

Life is filled with choices. Some people fight for what they believe; others settle for a steady paycheck and losing a little bit of their soul each time they gulp hard and do what they know is wrong. Sadly Felton Jarvis falls into the second camp and we are all poorer as a result.

The track that inspired this thread is another in a long line mediocrity you seek to elevate. Is it listenable, yes. Is it majestic-face it-that was beyond Felton Jarvis' capabilities. And so i ask again, how did this track chart?
Oh dear. 2016 has been unpredictable, to be sure, but now we have fn2drive - he of the Padre jokes and pledging obsession - trying to persuade us that he is here for noble reasons, making sure that it is properly recorded and the truth is not tainted.

Bloody hell! Never laughed so much in my life!

Your posts throughout 2016 show that you have no interest in adult debate or discussion; that you rarely, if ever, bring new information to the table; that you take delight in repeating infantile jokes over and over; that you have an unhealthy obsession with pledges; and that your main interest here is to stir, take the p*ss, derail as many topics as you can, and cause as much mayhem as possible.

So, please, don't come here making out you are in search of "the truth." If you have any interest in that, start by looking back at your 829 posts over the last twelve months - no less than 61 of which refer to "pledges," 98 of which refer to "Padre," and 147 of which refer to Felton Jarvis. Those numbers reflect that if anyone has an obsession on here, it's you.

I will close by thanking you for the laugh your post has created. I guess we all need one after what 2016 has thrown at us, so at last a post from you that has been worthwhile.
98 Padre posts? ...147 Felton posts?...Wow. You do see where all this is going?

Thats the approximate number of times substandard tracks were praised as the second coming. Hopefully the new year will bring praise to genuine masterpieces.


Hack n. 1. a person, esp. a professional, who surrenders individual independence, integrity, belief, etc., in return for money or other reward


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Re: The Majestic "O Come, All Ye Faithful"

Post by poormadpeter2 »

fn2drive wrote:
Scarre wrote:
poormadpeter2 wrote:
fn2drive wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Again you mention Felton Jarvis. Do a special section of this forum dedicated to him and leave us alone.
Stop it! And speak for yourself. Us= three of you. BTW.. who wrote that? Me? No...




"Hack is not name calling. It is a word which describes a particular set of behaviors. Felton Jarvis was a hack. In 1970 he went to work for Elvis full time and surrendered all objectivity for a paycheck. All one need do is listen to the studio chatter to know with certainty the general contempt Elvis had for him (best example is WLSGO studio chatter).Please see the below definition. I say it not to be mean spirited but because it explains the ever decreasing quality post 1970. It perfectly fits the circumstance. Much like Elvis' ' friends' werent friends but sycophants. His manager was likely a sociopath. Did Elvis really stand a chance surrounded by gypsies, tramps and thieves?"
A couple of things. My interest is in ensuring that Felton is treated properly by history-that is that his failures are documented and fanbois do not taint truth. Elvis' greatest works were produced by Sam Phillips, Steve Sholes, Steve Binder and Chips Moman. Admittedly, Jarvis was there in 1967 when Elvis tried to break out of his funk. But by becoming employed by Elvis, he became a cheerleader, lost all objectivity and sought to hold on to his paycheck-that is a hack. Perhaps had he remained in RCA's employ, he would have been able to be more objective but that actually seems unlikely. He has no record of producing a lasting string of hit records and the only reason he is spoken of is because of his association with Elvis. I hope you understand that i have no interest in you on a personal level-but every time you seek to elevate a mediocre performance overdubbed to monstrous proportions by a failed Nashville record label session producer, it cant go unchallenged. Doing so denigrates the genius of Elvis and the producers who inspired his greatness. You shouldnt feel so self important-my interest is in elevating Elvis' actual legacy-nothng to do with you or your misplaced affection of Felton Jarvis' 'producing' skills.

Life is filled with choices. Some people fight for what they believe; others settle for a steady paycheck and losing a little bit of their soul each time they gulp hard and do what they know is wrong. Sadly Felton Jarvis falls into the second camp and we are all poorer as a result.

The track that inspired this thread is another in a long line mediocrity you seek to elevate. Is it listenable, yes. Is it majestic-face it-that was beyond Felton Jarvis' capabilities. And so i ask again, how did this track chart?
Oh dear. 2016 has been unpredictable, to be sure, but now we have fn2drive - he of the Padre jokes and pledging obsession - trying to persuade us that he is here for noble reasons, making sure that it is properly recorded and the truth is not tainted.

Bloody hell! Never laughed so much in my life!

Your posts throughout 2016 show that you have no interest in adult debate or discussion; that you rarely, if ever, bring new information to the table; that you take delight in repeating infantile jokes over and over; that you have an unhealthy obsession with pledges; and that your main interest here is to stir, take the p*ss, derail as many topics as you can, and cause as much mayhem as possible.

So, please, don't come here making out you are in search of "the truth." If you have any interest in that, start by looking back at your 829 posts over the last twelve months - no less than 61 of which refer to "pledges," 98 of which refer to "Padre," and 147 of which refer to Felton Jarvis. Those numbers reflect that if anyone has an obsession on here, it's you.

I will close by thanking you for the laugh your post has created. I guess we all need one after what 2016 has thrown at us, so at last a post from you that has been worthwhile.
98 Padre posts? ...147 Felton posts?...Wow. You do see where all this is going?

Thats the approximate number of times substandard tracks were praised as the second coming. Hopefully the new year will bring praise to genuine masterpieces.
What it shows quite clearly is that, contrary to the accusations you make of people following you and the Doc around, it's you who is following other people around.



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Re: The Majestic "O Come, All Ye Faithful"

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poormadpeter2 wrote:What it shows quite clearly is that, contrary to the accusations you make of people following you and the Doc around, it's you who is following other people around.
You sure devote a lot of time on this forum to arguing, rather than contributing.

Always have, I suppose always will. Sad.


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