drjohncarpenter wrote:Although you attempt to draw a connection to Jarvis at American Sound in 1969 because of his work on the original single by Hartford
No attempt. A connection there period. Felton Jarvis produced original "Gentle On My Mind". Felton Jarvis Co-produced the same song with Elvis in 1969.
As Darth Vader once said, "the delusion is strong with him."
Quoting from the dark aren't you? Well, you know darkness is absence of light. So get a light bulb that works. And then come back.
Unfortunately anyone who believes that Felton Jarvis had anything to do with the American magic is trapped in a black hole. But we can always take Padre or 3 Corn Patches out for a spin to shine a bright light on Felton's producing skills. Thanks Felton.
There you go getting out of 1969 where this threads at. You should read "A Life In Music". I would never have had any opinions without reading the book. And then go and see the paperwork for yourself on Keith's site. Easy, really. Just not what your stubborn (and others) made up mind want to grasp. For then, you would have to do the very scary and impossible thing. Admit being wrong for once! "Luke...I am your father"!
drjohncarpenter wrote:Although you attempt to draw a connection to Jarvis at American Sound in 1969 because of his work on the original single by Hartford
No attempt. A connection there period. Felton Jarvis produced original "Gentle On My Mind". Felton Jarvis Co-produced the same song with Elvis in 1969.
As Darth Vader once said, "the delusion is strong with him."
Quoting from the dark aren't you? Well, you know darkness is absence of light. So get a light bulb that works. And then come back.
Unfortunately anyone who believes that Felton Jarvis had anything to do with the American magic is trapped in a black hole. But we can always take Padre or 3 Corn Patches out for a spin to shine a bright light on Felton's producing skills. Thanks Felton.
There you go getting out of 1969 where this threads at. You should read "A Life In Music". I would never have had any opinions without reading the book. And then go and see the paperwork for yourself on Keith's site. Easy, really. Just not what your stubborn (and others) made up mind want to grasp. For then, you would have to do the very scary and impossible thing. Admit being wrong for once! "Luke...I am your father"!
Here we go again. No Chips Moman...no From Elvis In Memphis and associated singles. No Felton Jarvis...there is still a completed From Elvis In Memphis album and associated singles because the American Sound recordings exist because of Chips Moman. Without Chips Moman, an inferior batch of recordings would have likely taken place in Nashville with Jarvis at the helm. No Suspicious Minds, no In The Ghetto, no Kentucky Rain, no Don't Cry Daddy, no Long Black Limousine, no Only The Strong Survive. Had Jarvis overseen a session in Nashville in early 1969, there would have been mixed results like his 1967 sessions, likely incomplete and incapable of filling a full album of mainstream commercial material. Elvis never would have had an acclaimed, artistically complete and relevant mainstream album and chart-topping singles. On the flip-side, had Jarvis been barred from the American Sound sessions, Elvis still would have completed From Elvis In Memphis and made a dynamic impact on the singles charts due to his collaboration with Chips Moman. You can desperately continue to try to promote Jarvis' minimal involvement as something it wasn't, but the historical record will defeat your sad rhetoric every time.
You are clearly minimizing the value of Felton's hamburger and coffee runs and those powerful overdubs and fade in and out that made American a gas. No Felton, no coffee; no Felton, no cheeseburgers; no Felton, no fade in,fade out. Well 2 out of 3 ain't bad. Elvis knew exactly what he was doing making a break from Nashville mediocrity and the results speak for themselves. But maybe, just maybe, it was the Nashville seasonings on the burgers and not Moman and the musicians that created the inspiration. If we are fair minded we should allow for that possibility of course.
Hack n. 1. a person, esp. a professional, who surrenders individual independence, integrity, belief, etc., in return for money or other reward
fn2drive wrote:Yada, yada, yada...Or maybe it's simply the only time Jarvis had real impact on the American sessions is when he nearly destroys them in his reimaging in 1981. Now there's a real genius at work. Thanks Felton.
On the contrary, neither of the two American Sound tracks [both of which astutely used alternate vocals] that were selected for the 1981 Guitar Man remake album have anything to be remotely embarrassed about.
Time to stop flogging that dead horse.
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fn2drive wrote:Or maybe it's simply the only time Jarvis had real impact on the American sessions is when he nearly destroys them in his reimaging in 1981. Now there's a real genius at work. Thanks Felton.
On the contrary, neither of the two American Sound tracks [both of which astutely used alternate vocals] that were selected for the 1981 Guitar Man remake album have anything to be remotely embarrassed about.
Time to stop flogging that dead horse.
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They are vomitous. But if you like Jarvis' Nashville work then I understand. Mediocre and uninspired to me. Like colorizing classic black and white films-the act of commercial hacks.
Hack n. 1. a person, esp. a professional, who surrenders individual independence, integrity, belief, etc., in return for money or other reward
fn2drive wrote:Yada, yada, yada...Or maybe it's simply the only time Jarvis had real impact on the American sessions is when he nearly destroys them in his reimaging in 1981. Now there's a real genius at work. Thanks Felton.
On the contrary, neither of the two American Sound tracks [both of which astutely used alternate vocals] that were selected for the 1981 Guitar Man remake album have anything to be remotely embarrassed about.
This constant onslaught of trying to give credit to Jarvis for anything significant in these American sessions is disturbing and based on pure fantasy.
He contributed to the final results, for better or for worse, but he deserves little if any credit for their successes.
That's really the end of the story. Thread after thread of vain whitewashing isn't going to change that. History has rested on this matter.
As for Gentle On My Mind, a win for Elvis and Chips. A great collaborative effort. Jarvis should have had his notepad out taking notes.
Disturbing and pure fantasy? So why post if my threads are fantasies etc.? Why post at all? Oh yes. A discussion for two or three of you that are the only ones bothered. Write away then. I have only proved Felton was what RCA officially has him for, and Ernst Jorgensen has on the reporting of those sessions. Also the Session notes speak for themselves and recordings as in "Power Of My Love" . That a few of you refuse to see what I have just written pretending it's not true. Is not my problem. I will try not to remark in defense anymore of what I have repeated constantly to deaf ears many times. Impossible for myself or anyone to make up what I have written. I will use this paragraph to link if this comes up by others that are not the same tiring little bunch. That argue to no end with frustration.
Matthew wrote:If you don't like opposing points of view perhaps you should stop making threads? This is a discussion forum and topics will be discussed!
History supports my view on this one.
You just keep derailing the threads and the record will show that you guys are just that. You will not ever stop. I surely will not stop posting what I desire. As it is my right as a respected member here. So write away. Write away. You that keep on beating the dead horse will only look more foolish than you already have. Every single thread has the same bunch of thread-crappers without exception. The members see that. They are intelligent. You guys are insulting their intelligence. Keep on writing pretending you are the "we" of this message board. You are "we" all right. We three, we four, we two...
fn2drive wrote:Yada, yada, yada...Or maybe it's simply the only time Jarvis had real impact on the American sessions is when he nearly destroys them in his reimaging in 1981. Now there's a real genius at work. Thanks Felton.
On the contrary, neither of the two American Sound tracks [both of which astutely used alternate vocals] that were selected for the 1981 Guitar Man remake album have anything to be remotely embarrassed about.
Time to stop flogging that dead horse.
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Exactly! Thank you.
And not a string section in sight on Felton's "pet project".
elvisalisellers on Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:44 am wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
elvisalisellers wrote:
fn2drive wrote:Yada, yada, yada...Or maybe it's simply the only time Jarvis had real impact on the American sessions is when he nearly destroys them in his reimaging in 1981. Now there's a real genius at work. Thanks Felton.
On the contrary, neither of the two American Sound tracks [both of which astutely used alternate vocals] that were selected for the 1981 Guitar Man remake album have anything to be remotely embarrassed about.
Time to stop flogging that dead horse.
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Exactly! Thank you.
And not a string section in sight on Felton's "pet project".
Food for thought.
The word travesty was invented to describe these 2 reimaginings. These two serve as exhibits a and b at the trial of musical abominations. No surprise as to the author.
Hack n. 1. a person, esp. a professional, who surrenders individual independence, integrity, belief, etc., in return for money or other reward
elvisalisellers on Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:44 am wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
elvisalisellers wrote:
fn2drive wrote:Yada, yada, yada...Or maybe it's simply the only time Jarvis had real impact on the American sessions is when he nearly destroys them in his reimaging in 1981. Now there's a real genius at work. Thanks Felton.
On the contrary, neither of the two American Sound tracks [both of which astutely used alternate vocals] that were selected for the 1981 Guitar Man remake album have anything to be remotely embarrassed about.
Time to stop flogging that dead horse.
..
..
Exactly! Thank you.
And not a string section in sight on Felton's "pet project".
Food for thought.
The word travesty was invented to describe these 2 reimaginings. These two serve as exhibits a and b at the trial of musical abominations. No surprise as to the author.
elvisalisellers on Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:44 am wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
elvisalisellers wrote:
fn2drive wrote:Yada, yada, yada...Or maybe it's simply the only time Jarvis had real impact on the American sessions is when he nearly destroys them in his reimaging in 1981. Now there's a real genius at work. Thanks Felton.
On the contrary, neither of the two American Sound tracks [both of which astutely used alternate vocals] that were selected for the 1981 Guitar Man remake album have anything to be remotely embarrassed about.
Time to stop flogging that dead horse.
..
..
Exactly! Thank you.
And not a string section in sight on Felton's "pet project".
Food for thought.
The word travesty was invented to describe these 2 reimaginings. These two serve as exhibits a and b at the trial of musical abominations. No surprise as to the author.
heaven knows what you make of the rpo albums then
A couple of the RPO tracks are improvements as they provide full incredibly professional orchestration and charts to replace the mediocre overdubs. Having said that most add little to no improvement and are more of what made Elvis bad as the 70s progressed. At this stage if I had to choose between undubbed masters or any with overdubs irrespective of musicians, I’d opt for undubbed.
Hack n. 1. a person, esp. a professional, who surrenders individual independence, integrity, belief, etc., in return for money or other reward
elvisalisellers on Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:44 am wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
elvisalisellers wrote:
fn2drive wrote:Yada, yada, yada...Or maybe it's simply the only time Jarvis had real impact on the American sessions is when he nearly destroys them in his reimaging in 1981. Now there's a real genius at work. Thanks Felton.
On the contrary, neither of the two American Sound tracks [both of which astutely used alternate vocals] that were selected for the 1981 Guitar Man remake album have anything to be remotely embarrassed about.
Time to stop flogging that dead horse.
..
..
Exactly! Thank you.
And not a string section in sight on Felton's "pet project".
Food for thought.
The word travesty was invented to describe these 2 reimaginings. These two serve as exhibits a and b at the trial of musical abominations. No surprise as to the author.
heaven knows what you make of the rpo albums then
A couple of the RPO tracks are improvements as they provide full incredibly professional orchestration and charts to replace the mediocre overdubs. Having said that most add little to no improvement and are more of what made Elvis bad as the 70s progressed. At this stage if I had to choose between undubbed masters or any with overdubs irrespective of musicians, I’d opt for undubbed.
The orchestrations of the 70's for the most part, were done by the same arrangers of the hailed Memphis 69 sessions. Mike Leech and Glen Spreen worked on quite a few 70's sessions. ALL were professional.
