The 1957 Song ~ Is It So Strange

[SUN-RCA]

One of my very favorite songs by Elvis from 1957, with great vocals, love it.

[A. C. van Kuijk]

I don't like that song too much....

[mysterytrainrideson]

It's not a bad song, but i don't think it has A side potential. It is more suited for an album track or EP.
I like the song though...

As a note, you probably know anyway, the song was written by Faron Young. During the Million Dollar Quartet session Elvis tells the guys that Faron wouldn't give him any of the song (writing credits) and rightly so too, why give someone credit for something they weren't involved in...good on yer Faron.

[George Smith]

Good song, stunning Elvis performance: I always felt that it was written especially written for him ("when you hear my name, you'll say I'm from strange world") by Young who knew him well.

I first heard it as a boy on a budget LP when it leapt out like a diamond in the rust: it was unlike anything I'd ever known before.

According to June Juanico, it was "their song": he promised he'd record it "Just for you", hence the title of the above EP.

Publishing issues aside I always felt it would have been a better B-side for "All Shook Up" .

File it alongside "Any Way You Want Me" and "Fame And Fortune" -- superb early soul music.

[Johnny2523]

i always liked this version, which wasnt sung in full sadley,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLffMrPXzdw
For some reason the youtube button doesnt work

[stevelecher]

Thanks for further insight, George. What budget album was it on? Separate Ways?

When I was younger, didn't think much about it. Has grown on me through the years to the point that I love it very, very much.

In the MDQ recordings, he is probably talking about publishing rights. I agree that Faron shouldn't have given up anything. Love all the insight about his own recordings on these sessions. How about when he says if someone with a deep voice sang That's When Your Heartaches Begin, it could sell. Then he puts it out singing in his deepest voice possible. Great stuff!

[George Smith]

Thanks for further insight, George. What budget album was it on? Separate Ways?

In the MDQ recordings, he is probably talking about publishing rights. I agree that Faron shouldn't have given up anything.

You're welcome, Steve, thank you: yeah, "Separate Ways" it was.

While I agree with your general sentiment about songwriters not giving up part of their publishing rights, there's a fascinating conversation to be had if we ask the question, "Would Young have made any money at all had he given the song to another singer who wasn't quite as talented and popular as Elvis?"

[stevelecher]

Assuming Faron held to his guns, he kept his rights and Elvis recorded it. This policy worked out in the short term, when he was truly at his zenith, but in the long haul, the policy inhibited the quality of songs submitted for him to select from. If it was totally up to him, Colonel Parker was willing to leave Suspicious Minds unreleased over this policy.

To rephrase your question: Did Elvis make more and sell more with great songs he didn't own or poor songs he did own? After a few years, it shouldn't have been just about the money.

[George Smith]

Assuming Faron held to his guns, he kept his rights and Elvis recorded it. This policy worked out in the short term, when he was truly at his zenith, but in the long haul, the policy inhibited the quality of songs submitted for him to select from. If it was totally up to him, Colonel Parker was willing to leave Suspicious Minds unreleased over this policy.

To rephrase your question: Did Elvis make more and sell more with great songs he didn't own or poor songs he did own? After a few years, it shouldn't have been just about the money.

I can't argue with you from an overall creative / artistic perspective, but the financial formula worked very well for at least seven hugely lucrative years.

When the singles and albums started selling less there were two available options to keep the flow of money from falling:
1) improve the quality
2) increase the quantity

Guess which one they went with ...

[drjohncarpenter]

I first heard this incredible vocal performance of the song "Is It So Strange" on this used copy of the 1959 album "A Date With Elvis" that my aunt gave me when i was a kid. This is one of those haunting songs that he recorded that i never get bored listening to over and over, i love it. This song is also another one of those great recordings that should have been released as a single, instead of on the 1957 vinyl EP "Just For You", only because most kids back then bought up the singles mostly verses the EP because they were alot cheaper for kids to buy, that i am assuming, if any of you know for sure about sales between singles vs EP's, please correct this. What do you all think of this song, and should it have been released as a single, that would have given it more attention, and not basically hidden on an EP, and possibly given Elvis a hit otherwise. Also what other song would you have thought would be a good B side.

$T2eC16NHJH8E9qSEU5yBBQ5OZtmBiw~~60_57.JPG

The 4 songs on this EP are, I Need You So, Have I Told You Lately That I Love You, Blueberry Hill, Is It So Strange.

epa-4041aa.jpg

IS IT SO STRANGE, RECORDED 1/19/57

..

"Is It So Strange" is one of the all-time great Presley ballads, with more than a hint of doo-wop. He shows such command, power and yet vulnerability, and the first time I heard it I was thrilled to my very core. However, it's not really A-side material. I agree with George Smith that it might have been superb if slotted as the B-side to "All Shook Up."

Of many cool moments in the 1956 "Million Dollar Quartet" jam recording, the sequence where Elvis plays "Is It So Strange" for the assembled is funny and revealing. Performer Faron Young had Elvis in mind when he crafted the melody:

"Ol' Faron Young wrote this song, sent (it) to me to record, he didn't want to give me none of it, he wanted it all, you know? (laughs)"

Clearly, Presley knows this is a wonderful tune but, by December 1956, Elvis also understood the publishing game, as dictated by management to get as much of it as possible. He sings a lovely version at 706 Union Avenue.


..Elvis Presley "Is It So Strange" (Sun Studios jam, Tuesday, December 4, 1956)


Of course the publishing must have been worked out to some extent, as Presley taped it in January, but perhaps Young's steadfast hold on publishing is what led it to be "buried" on an EP release that year. Note also that Elvis laid out "That's When Your Heartaches Begin" at the jam immediately after that. Along with "Peace In The Valley," the afternoon was almost like a mini-preview of Elvis' upcoming RCA sessions.

One last note is that the session reel for "Is It So Strange," for which all 12 takes have survived, shows Elvis in a very goofy mood, laughing and cracking up quite a bit.


..Elvis Presley "Is It So Strange" (Radio Recorders, West Hollywood, Saturday, January 19, 1957)
Takes 7 (LFS), and 10 (complete)


Finally, until about ten years ago, few were aware that the released master of "Is It So Strange" (take 12) was one of the earliest examples of post-session overdubbing. Radio Recorders engineer Thorne "Thorny" Nogar taped a Jordanaires vocal overdub near the song's end, to cover Presley not quite reaching a note on the word "sin."

The undubbed master take first popped up on the Elvis: Close-Up box set, issued in July 2003:
http://www.legacyrecordings.com/a/#/product/elvis-close-up/B00009V93Z/

Nice topic!

[Keith]

Good song, stunning Elvis performance: I always felt that it was written especially written for him ("when you hear my name, you'll say I'm from strange world") by Young who knew him well.

I first heard it as a boy on a budget LP when it leapt out like a diamond in the rust: it was unlike anything I'd ever known before.

According to June Juanico, it was "their song": he promised he'd record it "Just for you", hence the title of the above EP.

Publishing issues aside I always felt it would have been a better B-side for "All Shook Up" .

File it alongside "Any Way You Want Me" and "Fame And Fortune" -- superb early soul music.

Did you know that the song wasn't originally intended to be on the "Just For You" EP? 'Don't Leave Me Now' (February 23 1957 version) was supposed to be used instead but was dropped in favour of 'Is It So Strange' at the last minute. The "Just For You" EP was released on August 21 1957.

Original RCA Listing Notice for "Just For You" EP (May 20 1957)

Listing Notice - Just For You-EPA 4041-01.JPG

Revised listing for "Just For You" EP (July 9 1957)

Listing Notice - Just For You-EPA 4041-02.JPG

Finally, until about ten years ago, few were aware that the released master of "Is It So Strange" (take 12) was one of the earliest examples of post-session overdubbing. Radio Recorders engineer Thorne "Thorny" Nogar taped a Jordanaires vocal overdub near the song's end, to cover Presley not quite reaching a note on the word "sin."

The undubbed master take first popped up on the Elvis: Close-Up box set, issued in July 2003:

Strange - I've never seen that info on "Master & Session" or "Elvis In Norway" web sites

As a side note, I was the one who pointed the fact regarding the overdub out to Ernst three years ago, and he was completely unaware of it until then.

Keith

[SUN-RCA]

I first heard this incredible vocal performance of the song "Is It So Strange" on this used copy of the 1959 album "A Date With Elvis" that my aunt gave me when i was a kid. This is one of those haunting songs that he recorded that i never get bored listening to over and over, i love it. This song is also another one of those great recordings that should have been released as a single, instead of on the 1957 vinyl EP "Just For You", only because most kids back then bought up the singles mostly verses the EP because they were alot cheaper for kids to buy, that i am assuming, if any of you know for sure about sales between singles vs EP's, please correct this. What do you all think of this song, and should it have been released as a single, that would have given it more attention, and not basically hidden on an EP, and possibly given Elvis a hit otherwise. Also what other song would you have thought would be a good B side.

$T2eC16NHJH8E9qSEU5yBBQ5OZtmBiw~~60_57.JPG

The 4 songs on this EP are, I Need You So, Have I Told You Lately That I Love You, Blueberry Hill, Is It So Strange.

epa-4041aa.jpg

IS IT SO STRANGE, RECORDED 1/19/57

..

"Is It So Strange" is one of the all-time great Presley ballads, with more than a hint of doo-wop. He shows such command, power and yet vulnerability, and the first time I heard it I was thrilled to my very core. However, it's not really A-side material. I agree with George Smith that it might have been superb if slotted as the B-side to "All Shook Up."

Of many cool moments in the 1956 "Million Dollar Quartet" jam recording, the sequence where Elvis plays "Is It So Strange" for the assembled is funny and revealing. Performer Faron Young had Elvis in mind when he crafted the melody:

"Ol' Faron Young wrote this song, sent (it) to me to record, he didn't want to give me none of it, he wanted it all, you know? (laughs)"

Clearly, Presley knows this is a wonderful tune but, by December 1956, Elvis also understood the publishing game, as dictated by management to get as much of it as possible. He sings a lovely version at 706 Union Avenue.


..Elvis Presley "Is It So Strange" (Sun Studios jam, Tuesday, December 4, 1956)


Of course the publishing must have been worked out to some extent, as Presley taped it in January, but perhaps Young's steadfast hold on publishing is what led it to be "buried" on an EP release that year. Note also that Elvis laid out "That's When Your Heartaches Begin" at the jam immediately after that. Along with "Peace In The Valley," the afternoon was almost like a mini-preview of Elvis' upcoming RCA sessions.

One last note is that the session reel for "Is It So Strange," for which all 12 takes have survived, shows Elvis in a very goofy mood, laughing and cracking up quite a bit.


..Elvis Presley "Is It So Strange" (Radio Recorders, West Hollywood, Saturday, January 19, 1957)
Takes 7 (LFS), and 10 (complete)


Finally, until about ten years ago, few were aware that the released master of "Is It So Strange" (take 12) was one of the earliest examples of post-session overdubbing. Radio Recorders engineer Thorne "Thorny" Nogar taped a Jordanaires vocal overdub near the song's end, to cover Presley not quite reaching a note on the word "sin."

The undubbed master take first popped up on the Elvis: Close-Up box set, issued in July 2003:
http://www.legacyrecordings.com/a/#/product/elvis-close-up/B00009V93Z/

Nice topic!

Thanks Doc, this was all very interesting and entertaining.

[SUN-RCA]

Good song, stunning Elvis performance: I always felt that it was written especially written for him ("when you hear my name, you'll say I'm from strange world") by Young who knew him well.

I first heard it as a boy on a budget LP when it leapt out like a diamond in the rust: it was unlike anything I'd ever known before.

According to June Juanico, it was "their song": he promised he'd record it "Just for you", hence the title of the above EP.

Publishing issues aside I always felt it would have been a better B-side for "All Shook Up" .

File it alongside "Any Way You Want Me" and "Fame And Fortune" -- superb early soul music.

Did you know that the song wasn't originally intended to be on the "Just For You" EP? 'Don't Leave Me Now' (February 23 1957 version) was supposed to be used instead but was dropped in favour of 'Is It So Strange' at the last minute. The "Just For You" EP was released on August 21 1957.

Original RCA Listing Notice for "Just For You" EP (May 20 1957)

Listing Notice - Just For You-EPA 4041-01.JPG

Revised listing for "Just For You" EP (July 9 1957)

Listing Notice - Just For You-EPA 4041-02.JPG

Finally, until about ten years ago, few were aware that the released master of "Is It So Strange" (take 12) was one of the earliest examples of post-session overdubbing. Radio Recorders engineer Thorne "Thorny" Nogar taped a Jordanaires vocal overdub near the song's end, to cover Presley not quite reaching a note on the word "sin."

The undubbed master take first popped up on the Elvis: Close-Up box set, issued in July 2003:

Strange - I've never seen that info on "Master & Session" or "Elvis In Norway" web sites

As a side note, I was the one who pointed the fact regarding the overdub out to Ernst three years ago, and he was completely unaware of it until then.

Keith

Thanks Keith.

[Mister Moon]

I first heard this incredible vocal performance of the song "Is It So Strange" on this used copy of the 1959 album "A Date With Elvis" that my aunt gave me when i was a kid. This is one of those haunting songs that he recorded that i never get bored listening to over and over, i love it. This song is also another one of those great recordings that should have been released as a single, instead of on the 1957 vinyl EP "Just For You", only because most kids back then bought up the singles mostly verses the EP because they were alot cheaper for kids to buy, that i am assuming, if any of you know for sure about sales between singles vs EP's, please correct this. What do you all think of this song, and should it have been released as a single, that would have given it more attention, and not basically hidden on an EP, and possibly given Elvis a hit otherwise. Also what other song would you have thought would be a good B side.

Thanks, SUN-RCA, for this nice topic.

"Is It So Strange" has been a big favorite of mine from the moment I heard it. A fabulous, soulful vocal by Elvis, you can tell he's digging it all the way. There are a few other early examples of similar songs : "Any Way You Want Me", "First In Line", "I Need You So" and "Tell Me Why" come to mind. Great stuff !

Finally, until about ten years ago, few were aware that the released master of "Is It So Strange" (take 12) was one of the earliest examples of post-session overdubbing. Radio Recorders engineer Thorne "Thorny" Nogar taped a Jordanaires vocal overdub near the song's end, to cover Presley not quite reaching a note on the word "sin."

I was the one who pointed the fact regarding the overdub out to Ernst three years ago, and he was completely unaware of it until then.

Indeed, the undubbed binaural master take of "Is It So Strange" was officially released for the first time ten years ago, on the "Close-Up" box set, but Sony wasn't aware of it.

Three years ago, I was listening to "Close-Up" and found that difference. The take was identical to the one released in 1957, but it didn't feature The Jordanaires' "bop, bop" over the word "sin".

I had never heard about this subject anywhere, so I emailed Keith and Ernst about it, but none of them knew about it, either. A few months later, I received an email from a third person, who had been contacted by Ernst on the subject, confirming that I was right. I then forwarded this email to Keith, and he included the information in his site.

I thought I'd set the record straight about this matter.

Thanks for nothing.

[stevelecher]

Everybody here, thanks for the interesting contributions. Learned new things today.

[mjsantafe]

A personal favorite and I really enjoy hearing the takes featured on this very essential release in their binaural glory:

[George Smith]

Indeed, the undubbed binaural master take of "Is It So Strange" was officially released for the first time ten years ago, on the "Close-Up" box set, but Sony wasn't aware of it.

Three years ago, I was listening to "Close-Up" and found that difference. The take was identical to the one released in 1957, but it didn't feature The Jordanaires' "bop, bop" over the word "sin".

I had never heard about this subject anywhere, so I emailed Keith and Ernst about it, but none of them knew about it, either. A few months later, I received an email from a third person, who had been contacted by Ernst on the subject, confirming that I was right. I then forwarded this email to Keith, and he included the information in his site.

I thought I'd set the record straight about this matter.

Thanks for nothing.

That's a cool story, MM, thanks for sharing. Good spot.

[poormadpeter]

This is indeed a lovely song, and Elvis nails it perfectly - which shows how wonderful a ballad singer he was even at this stage, for the melody is extremely difficult, angular and requires quite a range just to reach the required notes. From a point of view of Elvis's vocals and the almost ethereal sound, this is like the musical sequel to 1954's Blue Moon.

[Mister Moon]

Indeed, the undubbed binaural master take of "Is It So Strange" was officially released for the first time ten years ago, on the "Close-Up" box set, but Sony wasn't aware of it.

Three years ago, I was listening to "Close-Up" and found that difference. The take was identical to the one released in 1957, but it didn't feature The Jordanaires' "bop, bop" over the word "sin".

I had never heard about this subject anywhere, so I emailed Keith and Ernst about it, but none of them knew about it, either. A few months later, I received an email from a third person, who had been contacted by Ernst on the subject, confirming that I was right. I then forwarded this email to Keith, and he included the information in his site.

I thought I'd set the record straight about this matter.

Thanks for nothing.

That's a cool story, MM, thanks for sharing. Good spot.

You're welcome, George.

[drjohncarpenter]

"Is It So Strange" is one of the all-time great Presley ballads, with more than a hint of doo-wop. He shows such command, power and yet vulnerability, and the first time I heard it I was thrilled to my very core. However, it's not really A-side material. I agree with George Smith that it might have been superb if slotted as the B-side to "All Shook Up."

Of many cool moments in the 1956 "Million Dollar Quartet" jam recording, the sequence where Elvis plays "Is It So Strange" for the assembled is funny and revealing. Performer Faron Young had Elvis in mind when he crafted the melody:

"Ol' Faron Young wrote this song, sent (it) to me to record, he didn't want to give me none of it, he wanted it all, you know? (laughs)"

Clearly, Presley knows this is a wonderful tune but, by December 1956, Elvis also understood the publishing game, as dictated by management to get as much of it as possible. He sings a lovely version at 706 Union Avenue.


..Elvis Presley "Is It So Strange" (Sun Studios jam, Tuesday, December 4, 1956)


Of course the publishing must have been worked out to some extent, as Presley taped it in January, but perhaps Young's steadfast hold on publishing is what led it to be "buried" on an EP release that year. Note also that Elvis laid out "That's When Your Heartaches Begin" at the jam immediately after that. Along with "Peace In The Valley," the afternoon was almost like a mini-preview of Elvis' upcoming RCA sessions.

One last note is that the session reel for "Is It So Strange," for which all 12 takes have survived, shows Elvis in a very goofy mood, laughing and cracking up quite a bit.


..Elvis Presley "Is It So Strange" (Radio Recorders, West Hollywood, Saturday, January 19, 1957)
Takes 7 (LFS), and 10 (complete)


Finally, until about ten years ago, few were aware that the released master of "Is It So Strange" (take 12) was one of the earliest examples of post-session overdubbing. Radio Recorders engineer Thorne "Thorny" Nogar taped a Jordanaires vocal overdub near the song's end, to cover Presley not quite reaching a note on the word "sin."

The undubbed master take first popped up on the Elvis: Close-Up box set, issued in July 2003:
http://www.legacyrecordings.com/a/#/product/elvis-close-up/B00009V93Z/

Nice topic!

Thanks Doc, this was all very interesting and entertaining.

You're welcome. I always like to add to topics when I can.

Do you have the 2006 RCA release of the Million Dollar Quartet jam? It is definitive.

[drjohncarpenter]

"Is It So Strange" has been a big favorite of mine from the moment I heard it. A fabulous, soulful vocal by Elvis, you can tell he's digging it all the way. There are a few other early examples of similar songs : "Any Way You Want Me", "First In Line", "I Need You So" and "Tell Me Why" come to mind. Great stuff !

Finally, until about ten years ago, few were aware that the released master of "Is It So Strange" (take 12) was one of the earliest examples of post-session overdubbing. Radio Recorders engineer Thorne "Thorny" Nogar taped a Jordanaires vocal overdub near the song's end, to cover Presley not quite reaching a note on the word "sin."

I was the one who pointed the fact regarding the overdub out to Ernst three years ago, and he was completely unaware of it until then.

Indeed, the undubbed binaural master take of "Is It So Strange" was officially released for the first time ten years ago, on the "Close-Up" box set, but Sony wasn't aware of it.

Three years ago, I was listening to "Close-Up" and found that difference. The take was identical to the one released in 1957, but it didn't feature The Jordanaires' "bop, bop" over the word "sin".

I had never heard about this subject anywhere, so I emailed Keith and Ernst about it, but none of them knew about it, either. A few months later, I received an email from a third person, who had been contacted by Ernst on the subject, confirming that I was right. I then forwarded this email to Keith, and he included the information in his site.

I thought I'd set the record straight about this matter.

Thanks for nothing.

Hold on. The difference regarding "Is It So Strange" was pointed out to me not too long ago by a good friend who is a mastering engineer, but it is very cool to learn it was your keen ears that first made the connection.

I am sorry your work was "buried" by others -- believe me, this is nothing new.

We certainly thank you now!

[Mike C]

Good song, stunning Elvis performance: I always felt that it was written especially written for him ("when you hear my name, you'll say I'm from strange world") by Young who knew him well.

I first heard it as a boy on a budget LP when it leapt out like a diamond in the rust: it was unlike anything I'd ever known before.

According to June Juanico, it was "their song": he promised he'd record it "Just for you", hence the title of the above EP.

Publishing issues aside I always felt it would have been a better B-side for "All Shook Up" .

File it alongside "Any Way You Want Me" and "Fame And Fortune" -- superb early soul music.

Did you know that the song wasn't originally intended to be on the "Just For You" EP? 'Don't Leave Me Now' (February 23 1957 version) was supposed to be used instead but was dropped in favour of 'Is It So Strange' at the last minute. The "Just For You" EP was released on August 21 1957.

Original RCA Listing Notice for "Just For You" EP (May 20 1957)

Listing Notice - Just For You-EPA 4041-01.JPG

Revised listing for "Just For You" EP (July 9 1957)

Listing Notice - Just For You-EPA 4041-02.JPG

Finally, until about ten years ago, few were aware that the released master of "Is It So Strange" (take 12) was one of the earliest examples of post-session overdubbing. Radio Recorders engineer Thorne "Thorny" Nogar taped a Jordanaires vocal overdub near the song's end, to cover Presley not quite reaching a note on the word "sin."

The undubbed master take first popped up on the Elvis: Close-Up box set, issued in July 2003:

Strange - I've never seen that info on "Master & Session" or "Elvis In Norway" web sites

As a side note, I was the one who pointed the fact regarding the overdub out to Ernst three years ago, and he was completely unaware of it until then.

Keith

With this substitution, this meant that "Don't Leave Me Know" (Feb. 23, 1957 version) was one of the few Elvis songs solely available on an LP in the 1950s.

[Mister Moon]

"Is It So Strange" has been a big favorite of mine from the moment I heard it. A fabulous, soulful vocal by Elvis, you can tell he's digging it all the way. There are a few other early examples of similar songs : "Any Way You Want Me", "First In Line", "I Need You So" and "Tell Me Why" come to mind. Great stuff !

Finally, until about ten years ago, few were aware that the released master of "Is It So Strange" (take 12) was one of the earliest examples of post-session overdubbing. Radio Recorders engineer Thorne "Thorny" Nogar taped a Jordanaires vocal overdub near the song's end, to cover Presley not quite reaching a note on the word "sin."

I was the one who pointed the fact regarding the overdub out to Ernst three years ago, and he was completely unaware of it until then.

Indeed, the undubbed binaural master take of "Is It So Strange" was officially released for the first time ten years ago, on the "Close-Up" box set, but Sony wasn't aware of it.

Three years ago, I was listening to "Close-Up" and found that difference. The take was identical to the one released in 1957, but it didn't feature The Jordanaires' "bop, bop" over the word "sin".

I had never heard about this subject anywhere, so I emailed Keith and Ernst about it, but none of them knew about it, either. A few months later, I received an email from a third person, who had been contacted by Ernst on the subject, confirming that I was right. I then forwarded this email to Keith, and he included the information in his site.

I thought I'd set the record straight about this matter.

Thanks for nothing.

Hold on. The difference regarding "Is It So Strange" was pointed out to me not too long ago by a good friend who is a mastering engineer, but it is very cool to learn it was your keen ears that first made the connection.

I am sorry your work was "buried" by others -- believe me, this is nothing new.

We certainly thank you now!

I have been acknowledged by Keith in the past about it, but in this thread he seems to atribute the discovery to himself.

I could take lack of acknowledgement. But I can't take others taking credit for my work / discoveries.

Thanks, Doc.

[drjohncarpenter]

I have been acknowledged by Keith in the past about it, but in this thread he seems to attribute the discovery to himself.

I could take lack of acknowledgement. But I can't take others taking credit for my work / discoveries.

Thanks, Doc.

You are welcome and I do not blame you a bit.

It's a cool piece of the puzzle, for those who care.

Of course, certainly you are credited on the web page that cites the discovery, yeah?

[Mister Moon]

I have been acknowledged by Keith in the past about it, but in this thread he seems to attribute the discovery to himself.

I could take lack of acknowledgement. But I can't take others taking credit for my work / discoveries.

Thanks, Doc.

You are welcome and I do not blame you a bit.

It's a cool piece of the puzzle, for those who care.

Of course, certainly you are credited on the web page that cites the discovery, yeah?

Yes, that's why I'm surprised !

I want to think Keith wrote his post in a hurry.