Demos for Elvis

[Mike Windgren]

Hi there!! .

Dear colonel snow, do you happen to have a picture of the unreleased Master (composite of DOVC-11 & D10VC-04) of The Love Machine on acetate? . Bye for now .

P.S: To me this song is probably one of the best of the recording session for the movie "Easy Come, Easy Go" .

Source: http://www.keithflynn.com/recording-sessions/660928.html#06

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By request for Mike (it's not a the demo version but an used spliced version);
As far as I know this version is not in the RCA/BMG/Sony vaults.


colonel snow

It looks like it only exist on acetate. Here is hope it´s released someday either on FTD or bootleg!. Thank you Sir! . Bye for now .

P.S: IIRC this acetate was sold on one of those Graceland auctions some years ago.....

[drjohncarpenter]

It looks like it only exist on acetate. Here is hope it´s released someday either on FTD or bootleg!. Thank you Sir!

P.S: IIRC this acetate was sold on one of those Graceland auctions some years ago.....

Most of the take used on the acetate (DOVC-11) has been officially released on FTD. So what you're dreaming about is maybe ten seconds of an edit piece.

[Mike Windgren]

Hi there!! .

It looks like it only exist on acetate. Here is hope it´s released someday either on FTD or bootleg!. Thank you Sir!

P.S: IIRC this acetate was sold on one of those Graceland auctions some years ago.....

Most of the take used on the acetate (DOVC-11) has been officially released on FTD. So what you're dreaming about is maybe ten seconds of an edit piece.

Everything is welcome! .

What a shame Elvis didn´t lay his vocal for a master take on Leave My Woman Alone.... . Bye for now .


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[sweetangeline]

...that`s pretty dam good if I say so myself

[Chris Roberts]

Thanks Mike for the demo of 'Leave My Woman Alone', could certainly imagine Elvis's version being very similar. My favourite version of that song is The Everly Brothers 1957 track that was coupled with the 1960 single 'Like Strangers. I believe it had previously been on their debut LP.

[colonel snow]

The demo version is homemade; track HOC take 5 is the instrumental version (without vocal overdub by Elvis); the count-in is inserted.

The Easy come easy go - acetates were not auctioned by "Graceland" but came from an estate (producer or director???). They were auctioned early 2016.

Here an acetate with I'll take love - composite version - 1st dub.



colonel snow

[colonel snow]

Another demo version.


colonel snow

[colonel snow]

Yoga is as yoga does - acetate with demo version.


colonel snow

[drjohncarpenter]

"This is it" ...

The nadir of Elvis' career.

[Mike Windgren]

Hi there!! .

"This is it" ...

The nadir of Elvis' career.

Like it or not, now part of Elvis history..... . Bye for now .

[drjohncarpenter]

"This is it" ...

The nadir of Elvis' career.

Like it or not, now part of Elvis history.....

So is the possibility that Elvis, Scotty and Bill cut a version of "Tiger Man" at Sun in the summer of 1954.

That's a bit of history to get excited about. Putrid 1960s movie soundtracks? Not so much.

[Mike Windgren]

Hi there!! .

"This is it" ...

The nadir of Elvis' career.

Like it or not, now part of Elvis history.....

So is the possibility that Elvis, Scotty and Bill cut a version of "Tiger Man" at Sun in the summer of 1954.

Yes, I found it! .

That's a bit of history to get excited about. Putrid 1960s movie soundtracks? Not so much.

Man you have no manners, behave.... . Bye for now .

[drjohncarpenter]

"This is it" ...

The nadir of Elvis' career.

Like it or not, now part of Elvis history.....

So is the possibility that Elvis, Scotty and Bill cut a version of "Tiger Man" at Sun in the summer of 1954.

That's a bit of history to get excited about. Putrid 1960s movie soundtracks? Not so much.

Man you have no manners, behave....

It has nothing to do with "manners." It is a statement of fact, and we know that when discussing this era you are sensitive.

But you chose to make comment on my previous post, another statement of fact, so you get what you pay for.

You, of course, are always welcome to continue defend mediocrity, I'll carry on championing the great stuff.

[Juan Luis]

Describing anything that is not organic (music in this case) putrid, is only a showing of disrespect to another's tastes.

[Stevenson]

"This is it" ...

The nadir of Elvis' career.

Like it or not, now part of Elvis history.....

So is the possibility that Elvis, Scotty and Bill cut a version of "Tiger Man" at Sun in the summer of 1954.

That's a bit of history to get excited about. Putrid 1960s movie soundtracks? Not so much.

Man you have no manners, behave....

It has nothing to do with "manners." It is a statement of fact, and we know that when discussing this era you are sensitive.

But you chose to make comment on my previous post, another statement of fact, so you get what you pay for.

You, of course, are always welcome to continue defend mediocrity, I'll carry on championing the great stuff.

Doc,

A statement of fact is (and will never go beyond): "Elvis recorded movie soundtracks in the 60s".
When you value it - it's called axiology - which means basically giving your opinion about something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiology

So, if you really want to talk about the facts, refrain from giving further comments (of its value), and if you do, let others do the same and accept they might see the facts differently. And - in MY opnion - that's the beauty of FECC!

[drjohncarpenter]

Doc ...

The 1967 "Easy Come, Easy Go" film and soundtrack project is "the nadir of Elvis' career" cinematically, musically, financially and aesthetically. It represents, sadly, the death of his relationship with Paramount Studios and producer Hal Wallis.

And other Presley films from the period run a close second!

As I've written before, people may dig what they want, and that's fine.

But it's important to understand that some things are a matter of opinion; others are not. Education helps you distinguish between the two. It's not complicated.

[Stevenson]

The 1967 "Easy Come, Easy Go" film and soundtrack project is "the nadir of Elvis' career" cinematically, musically, financially and aesthetically. It represents, sadly, the death of his relationship with Paramount Studios and producer Hal Wallis.
And other Presley films from the period run a close second!
As I've written before, people may dig what they want, and that's fine.
But it's important to understand that some things are a matter of opinion; others are not.

Agreed!

Education helps you distinguish between the two. It's not complicated.

Apparently it is, if you choose to express your opinion and yet label it as a fact.

[drjohncarpenter]

The 1967 "Easy Come, Easy Go" film and soundtrack project is "the nadir of Elvis' career" cinematically, musically, financially and aesthetically. It represents, sadly, the death of his relationship with Paramount Studios and producer Hal Wallis.
And other Presley films from the period run a close second!
As I've written before, people may dig what they want, and that's fine.
But it's important to understand that some things are a matter of opinion; others are not.

Agreed!

Education helps you distinguish between the two. It's not complicated.

Apparently it is, if you choose to express your opinion and yet label it as a fact.

I have made very clear the film and soundtrack are "the nadir of Elvis' career." This sub-topic caught fire only because one of our members who champions Elvis' mediocre work had to make a comment, or three.

You have done nothing to challenge that fact, except to attack my post stating it. Do we need to play out a 1,000-word essay on the film before you relent?

[Stevenson]

I have made very clear the film and soundtrack are "the nadir of Elvis' career." This sub-topic caught fire only because one of our members who champions Elvis' mediocre work had to make a comment, or three.
You have done nothing to challenge that fact, except to attack my post stating it. Do we need to play out a 1,000-word essay on the film before you relent?

Since we are in agreement about the quality of the movie, I don't feel necessary to "play out a 1,000-word essay..."
I only dared to point out that you have confused "making a statement" with "giving opinion". There's absolutely no need for this "sub-topic to catch fire" because of it. I'm done here.

[ForeverElvis]

I have mixed feelings about the demos that we've been privy to in recent years. Whilst they are interesting to listen to, I find it disappointing that Elvis, in many cases, chose to make carbon copies of those demos. The lack of creativity and interpretive flair in cases where he simply duplicates the demo diminishes Elvis as an artist. Does to me anyway.

This quote above was posted in 2012, it is not entirely untrue.
I don't know if it diminishes Elvis as an artist but it does suggest that Elvis wasn't as creative after leaving Sun - something I never wanted to accept, but I have to admit that I'm having a hard time coming to terms with.

[drjohncarpenter]

I have mixed feelings about the demos that we've been privy to in recent years. Whilst they are interesting to listen to, I find it disappointing that Elvis, in many cases, chose to make carbon copies of those demos. The lack of creativity and interpretive flair in cases where he simply duplicates the demo diminishes Elvis as an artist. Does to me anyway.

This quote above was posted in 2012, it is not entirely untrue.
I don't know if it diminishes Elvis as an artist but it does suggest that Elvis wasn't as creative after leaving Sun - something I never wanted to accept, but I have to admit that I'm having a hard time coming to terms with.

It depends on which session you look at. For example, in the middle of 1961 Elvis completely remade "Little Sister" from the Mort Shuman demo. But you revisit most of the movie soundtrack garbage, especially after 1963, he's probably just running through them as fast as possible, not bothering to revamp anything from the demos.

Also, songwriters soon learned by this point that the more they sounded like a finished Elvis master, the better the chance to get their material recorded. So they were created exactly that way.

Looking way back, even on something like "Tryin' to Get to You," which was cut in 1955 at Sun, Elvis chose to follow the vocal styling of the r&b single released by the Eagles, adding his own brash exuberance to a better, tougher arrangement.

The thing to remember is that when Elvis was inspired, the resulting music reflected this, no matter what the source.

[ForeverElvis]

I have mixed feelings about the demos that we've been privy to in recent years. Whilst they are interesting to listen to, I find it disappointing that Elvis, in many cases, chose to make carbon copies of those demos. The lack of creativity and interpretive flair in cases where he simply duplicates the demo diminishes Elvis as an artist. Does to me anyway.

This quote above was posted in 2012, it is not entirely untrue.
I don't know if it diminishes Elvis as an artist but it does suggest that Elvis wasn't as creative after leaving Sun - something I never wanted to accept, but I have to admit that I'm having a hard time coming to terms with.

It depends on which session you look at. For example, in the middle of 1961 Elvis completely remade "Little Sister" from the Mort Shuman demo. But you revisit most of the movie soundtrack garbage, especially after 1963, he's probably just running through them as fast as possible, not bothering to revamp anything from the demos.

Also, songwriters soon learned by this point that the more they sounded like a finished Elvis master, the better the chance to get their material recorded. So they were created exactly that way.

Looking way back, even on something like "Tryin' to Get to You," which was cut in 1955 at Sun, Elvis chose to follow the vocal styling of the r&b single released by the Eagles, adding his own brash exuberance to a better, tougher arrangement.

The thing to remember is that when Elvis was inspired, the resulting music reflected this, no matter what the source.

I agree with your points John - i felt he was very creative during the 1969 Memphis sessions, particularly on "I'm Movin' On" and "Gentle On My Mind" but on what is historically sited as one of the sessions best tracks, "Only The Strong Survive" he copies the Butler original (this was no demo). Of course, Elvis couldn't reinvent every song he encountered and his gifts of musical interpretation are unmatched but when the arrangements and vocal lines are copied verbatim I'm a little disappointed - and I've been listening to Elvis for close to 50 years.

[drjohncarpenter]

It depends on which session you look at. For example, in the middle of 1961 Elvis completely remade "Little Sister" from the Mort Shuman demo. But you revisit most of the movie soundtrack garbage, especially after 1963, he's probably just running through them as fast as possible, not bothering to revamp anything from the demos.

Also, songwriters soon learned by this point that the more they sounded like a finished Elvis master, the better the chance to get their material recorded. So they were created exactly that way.

Looking way back, even on something like "Tryin' to Get to You," which was cut in 1955 at Sun, Elvis chose to follow the vocal styling of the r&b single released by the Eagles, adding his own brash exuberance to a better, tougher arrangement.

The thing to remember is that when Elvis was inspired, the resulting music reflected this, no matter what the source.

I agree with your points John - i felt he was very creative during the 1969 Memphis sessions, particularly on "I'm Movin' On" and "Gentle On My Mind" but on what is historically sited as one of the sessions best tracks, "Only The Strong Survive" he copies the Butler original (this was no demo). Of course, Elvis couldn't reinvent every song he encountered and his gifts of musical interpretation are unmatched but when the arrangements and vocal lines are copied verbatim I'm a little disappointed - and I've been listening to Elvis for close to 50 years.

Elvis' passionate vocal on "Only The Strong Survive" is a lot different from Jerry Butler's magnificent performance. It's not "copied verbatim." However, I agree that the arrangement is indeed close to the Mercury 72898 release.



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Elvis Presley "Only The Strong Survive" From Elvis In Memphis (RCA LSP 4155, June 17, 1969)



There could be a reason for that mirrored arrangement, though. Butler's tune hit radio and retail around February 7, 1969. Someone, producer Chips Moman or Elvis, went wild over this new single before it even began its climb up the charts, and so it was added to one of the last American Sound sessions, the evening of February 19. So they either loved the arrangement they heard, or didn't have enough time to create something a bit different.

Here is Jerry's wonderful single, his most successful, including a #1 r&b ranking:



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Jerry Butler "Only The Strong Survive" (Mercury 72898, February 7, 1969)
Billboard "Hot 100" #4, April 19, 1969, Cash Box "Top 100" #5, April 26, 1969

[Mike Windgren]

Hi there!! .

"This is it" ...

The nadir of Elvis' career.

Like it or not, now part of Elvis history.....

So is the possibility that Elvis, Scotty and Bill cut a version of "Tiger Man" at Sun in the summer of 1954.

That's a bit of history to get excited about. Putrid 1960s movie soundtracks? Not so much.

Man you have no manners, behave....

It has nothing to do with "manners." It is a statement of fact, and we know that when discussing this era you are sensitive.

But you chose to make comment on my previous post, another statement of fact, so you get what you pay for.

You, of course, are always welcome to continue defend mediocrity, I'll carry on championing the great stuff.

Yes it is, you have shown several times on FECC that you have no manners... . You´re being very disrespectful using the word "Putrid" attacking part of Elvis music legacy. There is no need to use that kind of remarks, we all know that you hate that part of Elvis life (60´s movie soundtracks)...... .

I´m sure that if next time Ernst Jorgensen ask you to write another essay for FTD as you did before for a movie soundtrack, this time being maybe a 60´s soundtrack, you won´t have what a man has to say right in his face: I won´t do it because it´s "Putrid" . Bye for now .

P.S: It´s also disrespectful & offends the memories of many genuine 50´s & 60´s Elvis fans who bought those soundtracks by the millions. An apology will suffice! .

[drjohncarpenter]

Yes it is, you have ...

You are very angry. You need not take someone else's opinion so personally. Notice this discussion had already moved back to being on topic, please contribute as we have done.