"Boy from tupelo" official tracklist!!!!

[Good Time Charlie]

Some have said that in Europe Aug 1st is the release date? Does anybody know if that is true?

I mean, boy, that's only 3 days away.

[czeskleba]

Looking at the tracklist and sources... in most cases, the source is listed as "original Sun tape" but in some cases they list the source as "digital transfer of original Sun tape." Is there a reason for this distinction? Does it mean in the former cases they went back to the original tape, but in the latter they used a digital transfer that had been done on a prior occasion? Or is the wording just arbitrary, and no distinction is intended?

[Gregory Nolan Jr.]

I always wonder about that, too.

To 'Kid: it pays to read the thread before asking questions.

I'm looking foward to this set (CDs & Book) of course and do find the cost
reasonable considering the heroic efforts made by Ernst for a decade.

Admittedly this set in the big picture is for die-hard '50s / Elvis fans willing
to cheer new scraps that didn't make previous sets or who
melt over deep and obscure history on his mythical, mysterious road to fame.

[Old Shep]

Blue River wrote: "No! No! Not that! I've already had a hard enough time defending guns in the Off Topic section!"

Hey, sorry, I forgot to say, that I am a pacifist!

O.S.

[draig goch]

Elvisonline wrote: "We just need to enjoy what we have now"

I guess, we should do... Hey, a few years ago, we would have been given anything like "Little Mama", "You´re A Heartbreaker" oder the "That´s All Right, Mama" from Meridian, we would have gone crazy. Many of us still remember the eighties, when very few new found recordings came to light... Bring it on, Ernst!

O.S.

The eighties were a gold mine of new recordings if you collected boot LP's.

So much stuff came out it was mineboggling.

Yeah but he's talking about official.

[Old Shep]

Yep!

O.S.

[GroovinGarrett]

Looking at the tracklist and sources... in most cases, the source is listed as "original Sun tape" but in some cases they list the source as "digital transfer of original Sun tape." Is there a reason for this distinction? Does it mean in the former cases they went back to the original tape, but in the latter they used a digital transfer that had been done on a prior occasion? Or is the wording just arbitrary, and no distinction is intended?

I'm curious about this as well (as I posted at SHTV about it). The tracks marked "Digital transfer of SUN tape" are items that I don't have previous knowledge of Sony having physical possession of an original tape, things like the slow outtake of "Blue Moon of Kentucky". Does the "Digital transfer of SUN tape" distinction mean the tape(s) still reside in private collection(s), and Sony had to make do with digital transfers, or something entirely different?

[RKSNASHVILLE]

This is from the shopelvis website:

Please note: items in this department are available for pre-order and are expected to ship on or around August 29, 2012

RKS

[Blue River]

This is from the shopelvis website:

Please note: items in this department are available for pre-order and are expected to ship on or around August 29, 2012

I thought I had read that somewhere.
That's why I wrote: RKS, isn't the set supposed to be released in mid-to-late August?

[billyblues]

One of you damn CD collectors here better be ready to share your copy with billyblues. He has the right to hear it too, damn it!

I'm not sure of the tone of your message but no, this is not what I meant with my previous posts and the way I think... I hope it was a joke and that you actually understand my previous points.

billyblues, PM me... let me know where you live and maybe we can work something out.

Brazil...

[elvis-fan]

What's the significance of including the RCA Masters of That's All Right Mama and Blue Moon of Kentucky?

[Mac]

Some have said that in Europe Aug 1st is the release date? Does anybody know if that is true?

I mean, boy, that's only 3 days away.

Well I have noticed in the past that the shop in London gets new releases mostly Tuesday and Thursday, so if that is correct then I can only say one thing........

OH GAWD!!!!

[guidedbyvoices]

What's the story with harbor lights, why is it assumed from that first session whereas everything else is solid?


"Track 5 possibly recorded July 5, 1954"

I checked the old Ernst book and noticed it first came out on legendary performer but it wasn't listed as the first track of the night. And it's not the first sun session on the 50s box set either.

I personally would love to read how some of these tapes and takes we're found esp some of the scraps. The history of finding the recordings basically

[czeskleba]

What's the significance of including the RCA Masters of That's All Right Mama and Blue Moon of Kentucky?

That's All Right was originally released dry (no reverb) on Sun. The Sun master tape was turned over to RCA who created a new master with some added reverb. The original Sun master was then lost or destroyed. The RCA master is what's been used all subsequent releases (including Sunrise, Elvis at Sun, and the Complete Masters) because it's the highest fidelity source available, being a first-generation tape copy of the original master. However, it has that added reverb. So, they are also including a needle drop of the Sun 45 to present the song in its original non-reverbed stated.

I'm not sure what the deal is with Blue Moon of Kentucky, though, since no tape exists of that track. Don't know why they are including two versions of that.

[elvissessions]

Post removed because it was based on a misreading of source notes.

[elvissessions]

But the real question: Will I be able to get a copy of this in Memphis during Elvis Week.

I'm sure Ernst sees the sales potential, but will it be ready?

[elvis-fan]

What's the significance of including the RCA Masters of That's All Right Mama and Blue Moon of Kentucky?

That's All Right was originally released dry (no reverb) on Sun. The Sun master tape was turned over to RCA who created a new master with some added reverb. The original Sun master was then lost or destroyed. The RCA master is what's been used all subsequent releases (including Sunrise, Elvis at Sun, and the Complete Masters) because it's the highest fidelity source available, being a first-generation tape copy of the original master. However, it has that added reverb. So, they are also including a needle drop of the Sun 45 to present the song in its original non-reverbed stated.

I'm not sure what the deal is with Blue Moon of Kentucky, though, since no tape exists of that track. Don't know why they are including two versions of that.

Thank you for that reply.

[czeskleba]

I'm not sure what the deal is with Blue Moon of Kentucky, though, since no tape exists of that track. Don't know why they are including two versions of that.

I assume it's simply recognition of the fact that many of us have listened to that song a certain way for decades. A bit like That's All Right (not quite so much, but "like"), the particular sound of the RCA transfer has become the "official" sound, however serious its defects

I'm not sure I understand what the difference between the two versions is, though. The first version on this set is derived from a fresh needle drop of the Sun 45, and the second ("RCA") version is a needle drop of the Sun 78. But the latter is the Elvis at Sun 2005 needle drop, not the 1955 needle drop with added compression. So what is the sonic difference between them?

[elvissessions]

I'm not sure I understand what the difference between the two versions is, though.

Ahh, indeed, you can completely ignore my theories. Clearly, I did not read the source notes nearly closely enough.

I'll give this a bit more thought, but for now ... "never mind."

[Barry]

The track You're A Heartbreaker, on the Elvis At Sun cd, came from this Sun 45 that Kevan mastered..

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[Burning Love]

So does that mean there will be no added reverb on Blue Moon of Kentucky?

Burning Love

[czeskleba]

So does that mean there will be no added reverb on Blue Moon of Kentucky?

Burning Love

The RCA master of Blue Moon of Kentucky did not have added reverb, it had added compression. But if the source notes are correct, that version is not being used on this set. My understanding from elvisrecordings.com is that the original Sun master was never turned over to RCA, and they created their own tape master in November 1955 by doing a needle drop of the Sun 78 and adding compression to it. This version was used for 49 years, then in 2005 Kevan Budd did a fresh needle drop of the 78 without the added compression. If the source notes are correct, the 2005 Budd needle drop is what is being used as the "RCA version" on this set, so I am confused as to how it will differ from the "Sun version" derived from a needle drop of the 45.

[PiersEIN]

The track You're A Heartbreaker, on the Elvis At Sun cd, came from this Sun 45 that Kevan mastered..

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Love that photo Barry, makes it all more "real"!
Kevan did great work with your vinyl.
And thanks for your contribution to that compile- I think your credit was dropped off the CD booklet.

Cheers
Piers

[PiersEIN]

So does that mean there will be no added reverb on Blue Moon of Kentucky?

Burning Love

The RCA master of Blue Moon of Kentucky did not have added reverb, it had added compression. But if the source notes are correct, that version is not being used on this set. My understanding from elvisrecordings.com is that the original Sun master was never turned over to RCA, and they created their own tape master in November 1955 by doing a needle drop of the Sun 78 and adding compression to it. This version was used for 49 years, then in 2005 Kevan Budd did a fresh needle drop of the 78 without the added compression. If the source notes are correct, the 2005 Budd needle drop is what is being used as the "RCA version" on this set, so I am confused as to how it will differ from the "Sun version" derived from a needle drop of the 45.

The "Sun Version" original vinyl without echo has only been released on the MRS label on "Elvis Presley Memphis Recording Service Volume 1 1953-1954:" since the original SUN release.
Jo Pirzada owns the original metal stamper.
Surprisingly it has never been released by RCA (as yet) - since they added echo after the success of 'Heartbreak Hotel' and this is now the version everyone is familiar with.

See>>
http://www.elvisinfonet.com/bookreview_pirzada_2005.html

Cheers
Piers

[Matthew]

The "Sun Version" original vinyl without echo has only been released on the MRS label on "Elvis Presley Memphis Recording Service Volume 1 1953-1954:" since the original SUN release.
Jo Pirzada owns the original metal stamper.
Surprisingly it has never been released by RCA (as yet) - since they added echo after the success of 'Heartbreak Hotel' and this is now the version everyone is familiar with.

See>>
http://www.elvisinfonet.com/bookreview_pirzada_2005.html

Cheers
Piers

Piers - what song are you referring to here? RCA transferred That's All Right in November, 1955 (adding reverb in the process), and likewise, Blue Moon Of Kentucky was renderred to tape by RCA in November, 1955 - but from a Sun 78 (and adding compression). This predates Heartbreak Hotel's success by a few months.

Perhaps what we are getting on the Tupelo set in answer to the Blue Moon Of Kentucky query labelled as "RCA Master" is the November, 1955 RCA compression job, and I suspect for reference/interest purposes only. After all, this is the version that would have been known to most over the years.