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Phil wrote:
Tony.. wrote:
Phil wrote:I have in my Elvis stuff a wire recording of Elvis but I don't know what it is as I don't have any recorder to play it.

It was in a lot that I bought a few times ago.

How do you know Elvis is on it if you have neither heard or played it and what does 'I bought a few times ago' mean please?!

I have bought the lot from an Elvis fan. It was in the lot and I didn't buy it for the wire recording.

I have bought that 10 years ago but it doesn't matter when I bought it.

On the wire recording it's wrote Elvis and I am almost sure it contains Elvis.

Of course it can be erased and replaced by something else but I really doubt because he was fan.

I can also contains something without any impotance but it's sure it's something from the fifties because there was other recording system after that.

I think also that's it's worth to try to listen to it.

The problem is the voltage and the HZ.

there are transformator to convert 240 V to 110 V but the problem is the 50 Hz as it's a motor that turns the roll, the Hz have their importance.

If it's only a question of speed, it can be corrected by soft.

What is the craigslist
I would be careful when playing it the first time so as not to accidently erase it if you are not familair with the machine.
First test play something of not so much importance before you play it.

http://www.craigslist.com



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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Steve Morse wrote:So, Doc, you know more about ‘Early Elvis’ than Scotty Moore does ? After all, his only accreditation is that he was actually there.
Well, I am certain I know more about 'Early Elvis' than you.

Scotty Moore, bless his heart, is on record as not having a keen memory:
I have read that Elvis sang the Platters-hit 'Only You' live in 1955/56. Was it performed on more than one occasion?

Yes, I think so. I remember doing it, but I don't remember any dates. We did it some, but not very much.

And 'Rock Around The Clock'?

We tried that a few times, that was really in the very early days. I don't think it ever got recorded on tape, live or anything.

They recently found Louisiana Hayride recordings of "Hearts Of Stone" and "Little Mama"

Who is "they"?

Ernst Jorgensen from RCA

I remember 'Hearts Of Stone', but I don't remember the other song.

It's a Clovers song, and there's steel and piano on it

We used the other guys on there some. Steel players, drummers...

Floyd Cramer also played at the Hayride, didn't he?

Yeah, but I don't remember him playing anything with us at the Hayride. He played some club dates with us. There's another guy that I do remember playing piano with us, and his name is Leon Post. See, it was a big stage with different acts, and they all intermingled. It was like a big family. It was like: "Hey c'mon, play with me on that song" - you know, that kind of thing. That's how we ended up with piano and steel sometimes.

Can you remember if you, Elvis and Bill performed on Roy Orbison's television-show on KOSA in Odessa, Texas in 1955?

We may have, I don't know. I don't remember it.

Scotty Moore Interview
By: Arjan Deelen - June 19, 2001

http://www.tonkoorevaar.be/Always-Elvis-2/elvis-on-video/interviews/interview-scotty-moore.htm
So, there you are.

On this topic, and in general, I do not make specious arguments.

Rather, I work from facts. You should try it sometime.
In actuality, of all the people Peter Guralnick interviewed when doing his biographies he credited Scotty as having the best memory. Because in these instances, which aren't even good examples, he didn't know or didn't bother to remember a detail that some obsessive fans would dwell on 40 years later is not indicative of not having (or didn't have) a keen memory. Its not like he was taking notes at the time. Any of the others would be happy to sling the sh*t to tell you what you wanted to hear but he at least told it as it was. These kind of details were of no real consequence to them or him. They were busy making a living, gassing the car, finding a place to eat and sleep and getting to the next gig. They saw the road, the back door of the venue, the audience and then on to the next one. It was really just a blur. Which songs they picked up, tried out, got recorded were of little significance to the band, especially ones they might have played once or twice. They also made nothing from the recordings and only got union scale for sessions after they were at RCA which would give even less incentive. Half the stuff they did in the sessions they never had to play again but who knew years later they'd be drilled on it. You can't begin to imagine the kind of crap they've asked him over the years. Sorry to say now though that since his Subdural hematoma and surgery in 2003, a lot of what he did remember is gone.




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JamesVRoy wrote: In actuality, of all the people Peter Guralnick interviewed when doing his biographies he credited Scotty as having the best memory. Because in these instances, which aren't even good examples, he didn't know or didn't bother to remember a detail that some obsessive fans would dwell on 40 years later is not indicative of not having (or didn't have) a keen memory. Its not like he was taking notes at the time. Any of the others would be happy to sling the sh*t to tell you what you wanted to hear but he at least told it as it was. These kind of details were of no real consequence to them or him. They were busy making a living, gassing the car, finding a place to eat and sleep and getting to the next gig. They saw the road, the back door of the venue, the audience and then on to the next one. It was really just a blur. Which songs they picked up, tried out, got recorded were of little significance to the band, especially ones they might have played once or twice. They also made nothing from the recordings and only got union scale for sessions after they were at RCA which would give even less incentive. Half the stuff they did in the sessions they never had to play again but who knew years later they'd be drilled on it. You can't begin to imagine the kind of crap they've asked him over the years. Sorry to say now though that since his Subdural hematoma and surgery in 2003, a lot of what he did remember is gone.
Great points...the comparison of the fan vs. someone that was there makes total sense.



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elvisalisellers wrote:
Phil wrote: I have bought the lot from an Elvis fan. It was in the lot and I didn't buy it for the wire recording.

I have bought that 10 years ago but it doesn't matter when I bought it.

On the wire recording it's wrote Elvis and I am almost sure it contains Elvis.

Of course it can be erased and replaced by something else but I really doubt because he was fan.

I can also contains something without any impotance but it's sure it's something from the fifties because there was other recording system after that.

I think also that's it's worth to try to listen to it.

The problem is the voltage and the HZ.

there are transformator to convert 240 V to 110 V but the problem is the 50 Hz as it's a motor that turns the roll, the Hz have their importance.

If it's only a question of speed, it can be corrected by soft.

What is the craigslist
Hi Phil, is there any chance of showing us a pic of the wire spool with the "Elvis" annotation written on it?

Yes but not now because I leave home this evening for hollidays and I have to find it back as it is in a box with unused thinks.
As soon as I come back from holyday I will take a photo.

But it is only Elvis written on the spool.


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ekenee wrote:
Phil wrote:
Tony.. wrote:
Phil wrote:I have in my Elvis stuff a wire recording of Elvis but I don't know what it is as I don't have any recorder to play it.

It was in a lot that I bought a few times ago.

How do you know Elvis is on it if you have neither heard or played it and what does 'I bought a few times ago' mean please?!

I have bought the lot from an Elvis fan. It was in the lot and I didn't buy it for the wire recording.

I have bought that 10 years ago but it doesn't matter when I bought it.

On the wire recording it's wrote Elvis and I am almost sure it contains Elvis.

Of course it can be erased and replaced by something else but I really doubt because he was fan.

I can also contains something without any impotance but it's sure it's something from the fifties because there was other recording system after that.

I think also that's it's worth to try to listen to it.

The problem is the voltage and the HZ.

there are transformator to convert 240 V to 110 V but the problem is the 50 Hz as it's a motor that turns the roll, the Hz have their importance.

If it's only a question of speed, it can be corrected by soft.

What is the craigslist
I would be careful when playing it the first time so as not to accidently erase it if you are not familair with the machine.
First test play something of not so much importance before you play it.

http://www.craigslist.com

Yes of course. Before to put the Elvis spool in the machine I will try to find another spool (without any Elvis on it) to play first to see if everything is ok.


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ranskal wrote:
JamesVRoy wrote: In actuality, of all the people Peter Guralnick interviewed when doing his biographies he credited Scotty as having the best memory. Because in these instances, which aren't even good examples, he didn't know or didn't bother to remember a detail that some obsessive fans would dwell on 40 years later is not indicative of not having (or didn't have) a keen memory. Its not like he was taking notes at the time. Any of the others would be happy to sling the sh*t to tell you what you wanted to hear but he at least told it as it was. These kind of details were of no real consequence to them or him. They were busy making a living, gassing the car, finding a place to eat and sleep and getting to the next gig. They saw the road, the back door of the venue, the audience and then on to the next one. It was really just a blur. Which songs they picked up, tried out, got recorded were of little significance to the band, especially ones they might have played once or twice. They also made nothing from the recordings and only got union scale for sessions after they were at RCA which would give even less incentive. Half the stuff they did in the sessions they never had to play again but who knew years later they'd be drilled on it. You can't begin to imagine the kind of crap they've asked him over the years. Sorry to say now though that since his Subdural hematoma and surgery in 2003, a lot of what he did remember is gone.
Great points...the comparison of the fan vs. someone that was there makes total sense.
Thanks, James, for some further fascinating insights and level-headed observations.

I have 5 brothers, youngest 61 (twins), oldest 70. If we discuss our childhood, little incidents involving one or more of them, which I may remember vividly, they sometimes have no recollection of at all. Equally, things that stand out in their memories, and involving me, may be a complete revelation to me many years later. The point is that, while people's memories may be hazy or confused over some things, they may be crystal clear over others.

While I'm writing, I had another board member send me a PM, yesterday. Your little quote (James, that is) of mine, included in the quoted posting of DJC's starts off, "So, Doc . . .". I have never referred to him as 'Doc', and in fact, in my original posting, I used his real name. So, someone has contrived to edit my posting. Now, apart from implications of why it was done, that is skulduggery.

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JamesVRoy wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:Scotty Moore, bless his heart, is on record as not having a keen memory:
I have read that Elvis sang the Platters-hit 'Only You' live in 1955/56. Was it performed on more than one occasion?

Yes, I think so. I remember doing it, but I don't remember any dates. We did it some, but not very much.

And 'Rock Around The Clock'?

We tried that a few times, that was really in the very early days. I don't think it ever got recorded on tape, live or anything.

They recently found Louisiana Hayride recordings of "Hearts Of Stone" and "Little Mama"

Who is "they"?

Ernst Jorgensen from RCA

I remember 'Hearts Of Stone', but I don't remember the other song.

It's a Clovers song, and there's steel and piano on it

We used the other guys on there some. Steel players, drummers...

Floyd Cramer also played at the Hayride, didn't he?

Yeah, but I don't remember him playing anything with us at the Hayride. He played some club dates with us. There's another guy that I do remember playing piano with us, and his name is Leon Post. See, it was a big stage with different acts, and they all intermingled. It was like a big family. It was like: "Hey c'mon, play with me on that song" - you know, that kind of thing. That's how we ended up with piano and steel sometimes.

Can you remember if you, Elvis and Bill performed on Roy Orbison's television-show on KOSA in Odessa, Texas in 1955?

We may have, I don't know. I don't remember it.

Scotty Moore Interview
By: Arjan Deelen - June 19, 2001

http://www.tonkoorevaar.be/Always-Elvis-2/elvis-on-video/interviews/interview-scotty-moore.htm
So, there you are.

On this topic, and in general, I do not make specious arguments.

Rather, I work from facts. You should try it sometime.
In actuality, of all the people Peter Guralnick interviewed when doing his biographies he credited Scotty as having the best memory.
Yes, and Peter interviewed Moore in 1988, 1989 and 1992. The above interview is more recent and more germane to the topic at hand. People who were "there" are often not the best resource for historical research. Just ask Paul McCartney or George Martin what they think about their Abbey Road memories versus the research of Mark Lewisohn, who wasn't "there." And I wonder what Scotty will say when you have a chance to play him "Little Mama."


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That's quite an obsession you've got going this year.




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Potato, potarto. How does antagonistically running around the forum post after post after post help again?



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drjohncarpenter wrote:
JamesVRoy wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:Scotty Moore, bless his heart, is on record as not having a keen memory:
I have read that Elvis sang the Platters-hit 'Only You' live in 1955/56. Was it performed on more than one occasion?

Yes, I think so. I remember doing it, but I don't remember any dates. We did it some, but not very much.

And 'Rock Around The Clock'?

We tried that a few times, that was really in the very early days. I don't think it ever got recorded on tape, live or anything.

They recently found Louisiana Hayride recordings of "Hearts Of Stone" and "Little Mama"

Who is "they"?

Ernst Jorgensen from RCA

I remember 'Hearts Of Stone', but I don't remember the other song.

It's a Clovers song, and there's steel and piano on it

We used the other guys on there some. Steel players, drummers...

Floyd Cramer also played at the Hayride, didn't he?

Yeah, but I don't remember him playing anything with us at the Hayride. He played some club dates with us. There's another guy that I do remember playing piano with us, and his name is Leon Post. See, it was a big stage with different acts, and they all intermingled. It was like a big family. It was like: "Hey c'mon, play with me on that song" - you know, that kind of thing. That's how we ended up with piano and steel sometimes.

Can you remember if you, Elvis and Bill performed on Roy Orbison's television-show on KOSA in Odessa, Texas in 1955?

We may have, I don't know. I don't remember it.

Scotty Moore Interview
By: Arjan Deelen - June 19, 2001

http://www.tonkoorevaar.be/Always-Elvis-2/elvis-on-video/interviews/interview-scotty-moore.htm
So, there you are.

On this topic, and in general, I do not make specious arguments.

Rather, I work from facts. You should try it sometime.
In actuality, of all the people Peter Guralnick interviewed when doing his biographies he credited Scotty as having the best memory.
Yes, and Peter interviewed Moore in 1988, 1989 and 1992. The above interview is more recent and more germane to the topic at hand. People who were "there" are often not the best resource for historical research. Just ask Paul McCartney or George Martin what they think about their Abbey Road memories versus the research of Mark Lewisohn, who wasn't "there." And I wonder what Scotty will say when you have a chance to play him "Little Mama."
Peter's interviews and historical research are to be considered examples of his memory "on record." Peter doesn't always get it right either, I can't speak for Mark Lewisohn.
If you ask Paul McCartney what kind of strings he used he'll say long shiny ones, which basically is his opinion of the significance of the answer. Though to the fan that cuts his hair in a mop top, buys every piece of gear that Paul used to record "Michele" so he can shine in his own mind at an open mic, Paul has a bad memory because he didn't get what he wanted. What might be considered history today wasn't history in the making to them. In this instance though you're dismissing anything he's ever said with that statement to support a guess of a detail pertinent only to a select few because he has an observation about this particular copy of a recording, the quality of which I might add everyone was ecstatic about until there was a debate of the date of origin. Interestingly enough though had he said anything germane to the topic at hand in favor of the proposed theory you likely wouldn't discredit his recollections.



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JamesVRoy wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Steve Morse wrote:So, Doc, you know more about ‘Early Elvis’ than Scotty Moore does ? After all, his only accreditation is that he was actually there.
Well, I am certain I know more about 'Early Elvis' than you.

Scotty Moore, bless his heart, is on record as not having a keen memory:
I have read that Elvis sang the Platters-hit 'Only You' live in 1955/56. Was it performed on more than one occasion?

Yes, I think so. I remember doing it, but I don't remember any dates. We did it some, but not very much.

And 'Rock Around The Clock'?

We tried that a few times, that was really in the very early days. I don't think it ever got recorded on tape, live or anything.

They recently found Louisiana Hayride recordings of "Hearts Of Stone" and "Little Mama"

Who is "they"?

Ernst Jorgensen from RCA

I remember 'Hearts Of Stone', but I don't remember the other song.

It's a Clovers song, and there's steel and piano on it

We used the other guys on there some. Steel players, drummers...

Floyd Cramer also played at the Hayride, didn't he?

Yeah, but I don't remember him playing anything with us at the Hayride. He played some club dates with us. There's another guy that I do remember playing piano with us, and his name is Leon Post. See, it was a big stage with different acts, and they all intermingled. It was like a big family. It was like: "Hey c'mon, play with me on that song" - you know, that kind of thing. That's how we ended up with piano and steel sometimes.

Can you remember if you, Elvis and Bill performed on Roy Orbison's television-show on KOSA in Odessa, Texas in 1955?

We may have, I don't know. I don't remember it.

Scotty Moore Interview
By: Arjan Deelen - June 19, 2001

http://www.tonkoorevaar.be/Always-Elvis-2/elvis-on-video/interviews/interview-scotty-moore.htm
So, there you are.

On this topic, and in general, I do not make specious arguments.

Rather, I work from facts. You should try it sometime.
In actuality, of all the people Peter Guralnick interviewed when doing his biographies he credited Scotty as having the best memory. Because in these instances, which aren't even good examples, he didn't know or didn't bother to remember a detail that some obsessive fans would dwell on 40 years later is not indicative of not having (or didn't have) a keen memory. Its not like he was taking notes at the time. Any of the others would be happy to sling the sh*t to tell you what you wanted to hear but he at least told it as it was. These kind of details were of no real consequence to them or him. They were busy making a living, gassing the car, finding a place to eat and sleep and getting to the next gig. They saw the road, the back door of the venue, the audience and then on to the next one. It was really just a blur. Which songs they picked up, tried out, got recorded were of little significance to the band, especially ones they might have played once or twice. They also made nothing from the recordings and only got union scale for sessions after they were at RCA which would give even less incentive. Half the stuff they did in the sessions they never had to play again but who knew years later they'd be drilled on it. You can't begin to imagine the kind of crap they've asked him over the years. Sorry to say now though that since his Subdural hematoma and surgery in 2003, a lot of what he did remember is gone.
Great points. I now plan to buy a couple of pics off of your site to help support Scotty who has brought so much joy to my life.


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Good post, James.



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Mike C wrote: Great points. I now plan to buy a couple of pics off of your site to help support Scotty who has brought so much joy to my life.
I bought two only last month. Took a while to get here, but very pleased with them, Scotty is a real treasure.


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RonBaker2003 wrote:Good post, James.
James'/Scotty's site is an amazing resource, he brings so much to the on-line Elvis world. It's much appreciated James!


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JamesVRoy wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
JamesVRoy wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:Scotty Moore, bless his heart, is on record as not having a keen memory:
I have read that Elvis sang the Platters-hit 'Only You' live in 1955/56. Was it performed on more than one occasion?

Yes, I think so. I remember doing it, but I don't remember any dates. We did it some, but not very much.

And 'Rock Around The Clock'?

We tried that a few times, that was really in the very early days. I don't think it ever got recorded on tape, live or anything.

They recently found Louisiana Hayride recordings of "Hearts Of Stone" and "Little Mama"

Who is "they"?

Ernst Jorgensen from RCA

I remember 'Hearts Of Stone', but I don't remember the other song.

It's a Clovers song, and there's steel and piano on it

We used the other guys on there some. Steel players, drummers...

Floyd Cramer also played at the Hayride, didn't he?

Yeah, but I don't remember him playing anything with us at the Hayride. He played some club dates with us. There's another guy that I do remember playing piano with us, and his name is Leon Post. See, it was a big stage with different acts, and they all intermingled. It was like a big family. It was like: "Hey c'mon, play with me on that song" - you know, that kind of thing. That's how we ended up with piano and steel sometimes.

Can you remember if you, Elvis and Bill performed on Roy Orbison's television-show on KOSA in Odessa, Texas in 1955?

We may have, I don't know. I don't remember it.

Scotty Moore Interview
By: Arjan Deelen - June 19, 2001

http://www.tonkoorevaar.be/Always-Elvis-2/elvis-on-video/interviews/interview-scotty-moore.htm
So, there you are.

On this topic, and in general, I do not make specious arguments.

Rather, I work from facts. You should try it sometime.
In actuality, of all the people Peter Guralnick interviewed when doing his biographies he credited Scotty as having the best memory.
Yes, and Peter interviewed Moore in 1988, 1989 and 1992. The above interview is more recent and more germane to the topic at hand. People who were "there" are often not the best resource for historical research. Just ask Paul McCartney or George Martin what they think about their Abbey Road memories versus the research of Mark Lewisohn, who wasn't "there." And I wonder what Scotty will say when you have a chance to play him "Little Mama."
Peter's interviews and historical research are to be considered examples of his memory "on record." Peter doesn't always get it right either, I can't speak for Mark Lewisohn.
If you ask Paul McCartney what kind of strings he used he'll say long shiny ones, which basically is his opinion of the significance of the answer. Though to the fan that cuts his hair in a mop top, buys every piece of gear that Paul used to record "Michele" so he can shine in his own mind at an open mic, Paul has a bad memory because he didn't get what he wanted. What might be considered history today wasn't history in the making to them. In this instance though you're dismissing anything he's ever said with that statement to support a guess of a detail pertinent only to a select few because he has an observation about this particular copy of a recording, the quality of which I might add everyone was ecstatic about until there was a debate of the date of origin. Interestingly enough though had he said anything germane to the topic at hand in favor of the proposed theory you likely wouldn't discredit his recollections.

Spot on mate!

Scotty Moore should be treated with dignity and respect. He's an honest man, who made a difference to all our lives as Elvis fans, for his unique part in the story, life and career of Elvis Presley.

I fully understand DJC's arguments, that those who were there, are not always the most reliable. That's because we are merely just human beings, who pass through our lives on a day to day basis, not remembering every detail about every day as if it is a major historical occurence that will be discussed 60 years down the line.

What I do object to is the way he's taken this argument to a personal level, as if he's trying to prove that Scotty's recollections cannot be trusted, as if he's just a senile old man. It's hurtful and untrue.

So enough with the "bless his heart" put downs.


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Good Time Charlie wrote: What I do object to is the way he's taken this argument to a personal level, as if he's trying to prove that Scotty's recollections cannot be trusted, as if he's just a senile old man. It's hurtful and untrue.
It's the kind of thing I mentioned in that post a while ago... I appreciate Doc's knowledge and all but I'm not sure why he feels that he should put his words the way he does. Sometimes it sounds so wrong that I just can't understand it at all. It isn't necessary, there are so many ways one can express his opinion or show facts without sounding rude to people.

Plus it's not like many people will even pay attention to facts and/or opinions when they're presented in a "I am right, you are wrong" tone.


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Good Time Charlie wrote:I fully understand DJC's arguments, that those who were there, are not always the most reliable. That's because we are merely just human beings, who pass through our lives on a day to day basis, not remembering every detail about every day as if it is a major historical occurence that will be discussed 60 years down the line.
This is my point, which some here have seen as yet another opportunity to put me down rather than a valid consideration in regards to the discussion. Such off-topic rancor really gets old.
Good Time Charlie wrote:What I do object to is the way he's taken this argument to a personal level, as if he's trying to prove that Scotty's recollections cannot be trusted, as if he's just a senile old man. It's hurtful and untrue.

So enough with the "bless his heart" put downs.
What in the hell are you talking about?

My comment was not a put-down -- it was meant with respect -- and I took no argument "to a personal level."

Scotty himself is on record as saying his recollections are not always to be relied upon, and I deeply resent your accusation that I was implying Scotty Moore was senile. I have never written comments like that in my entire history as a member of this forum.

Having lost my beloved grandmother to Alzheimer's Disease, and dealing with my mother currently dying from the disease, I am acutely aware of the pain and helplessness in dealing with this awful condition.

So take your ill-reasoned admonishments and put them where the sun don't shine.


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What was this topic about?......Huuuumm oh yeah, I forgot to remember to forget...
Any news about THAT?
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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Good Time Charlie wrote:I fully understand DJC's arguments, that those who were there, are not always the most reliable. That's because we are merely just human beings, who pass through our lives on a day to day basis, not remembering every detail about every day as if it is a major historical occurence that will be discussed 60 years down the line.
This is my point, which some here have seen as yet another opportunity to put me down rather than a valid consideration in regards to the discussion. Such off-topic rancor really gets old.
Agreed. I don't understand how people can dispute this argument.

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Good Time Charlie wrote:What I do object to is the way he's taken this argument to a personal level, as if he's trying to prove that Scotty's recollections cannot be trusted, as if he's just a senile old man. It's hurtful and untrue.

So enough with the "bless his heart" put downs.
What in the hell are you talking about?

My comment was not a put-down -- it was meant with respect -- and I took no argument "to a personal level."

Scotty himself is on record as saying his recollections are not always to be relied upon, and I deeply resent your accusation that I was implying Scotty Moore was senile. I have never written comments like that in my entire history as a member of this forum.

Having lost my beloved grandmother to Alzheimer's Disease, and dealing with my mother currently dying from the disease, I am acutely aware of the pain and helplessness in dealing with this awful condition.

So take your ill-reasoned admonishments and put them where the sun don't shine.

When I read the 'bless his heart' comment, in context with your posts that were trying to prove that Scotty's memory wasn't the most trustworthy, it struck me as condescending and just uncalled for. Maybe you didn't mean it like that then, but that's how it came across when I read it.

It was great that James shared Scotty's thoughts on the matter, yet you didn't care to make a comment to thank James, or to say how great it was to hear Scotty got to listen to it and what his thoughts were on the recording. You just used it to outline how you were right and Scotty was wrong and has a history for being so.

The posts just felt cold, that's all. Sometimes you get a bit too caught up in pure facts, and about being 'right' the whole time. Say it once, and leave it be.

Look man, I am not denying that you are a compassionate individual, you are too clever not to be, and what has happened to your family members is obviously a terrible thing and I am sorry to hear that.

It's just you have a way of coming across very cold and blunt on this forum sometimes, and occasionally to people who don't deserve it. Of course though there are many who do deserve it and I think it's 'those people', those group of posters who seemingly only visit this forum to counter or attack anything you say, that cause you to post in that tone out of habit.


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Frenchie wrote:What was this topic about?......Huuuumm oh yeah, I forgot to remember to forget...
Any news about THAT?
::rocks
I suppose it is kind of fitting, we are all arguing about 'memory' and people 'forgetting', on a topic about the song "I Forgot to Remember to Forget".

Let's all sit back and listen to the reason why we come here, not to argue, but to marvel in this man's genius....

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Good Time Charlie wrote:I suppose it is kind of fitting, we are all arguing about 'memory' and people 'forgetting', on a topic about the song "I Forgot to Remember to Forget"
Nice one 8)




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Good Time Charlie wrote:
Frenchie wrote:What was this topic about?......Huuuumm oh yeah, I forgot to remember to forget...
Any news about THAT?
::rocks
I suppose it is kind of fitting, we are all arguing about 'memory' and people 'forgetting', on a topic about the song "I Forgot to Remember to Forget".

Let's all sit back and listen to the reason why we come here, not to argue, but to marvel in this man's genius....

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Like our friend Steve Morse, one of my first thoughts was hope Scotty gets to hear this knowing that Jim Roy would be the man for that task. So, genuine thanks to him for reporting back. It's really good that it could be shared with Scotty especially as the guitar playing is amazing.

As everyone agrees, what a fantastic find. Beautiful performance and recording.


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[quote="The Purple Gang"]Like our friend Steve Morse, one of my first thoughts was hope Scotty gets to hear this knowing that Jim Roy would be the man for that task. So, genuine thanks to him for reporting back. It's really good that it could be shared with Scotty especially as the guitar playing is amazing.

As everyone agrees, what a fantastic find. Beautiful performance and recording.[/quote]


I agree...

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elvisa wrote:My understanding is that most of the old wire recorders are due to be restored before they work, so you need to know how to do that. A working machine might be quite expensive.

If he has a perfect quality recording of Elvis performing "Rock around the clock", or "Lovey dovey" on his supposed 'wire' I'll personally pay for him to have a perfecly working / restored wire recorder AND £5,000 on top just to hear it privately before anyone else. :wink: