I Forgot To Remember To Forget (LIVE)10/01/55 UNRELEASED !

[drjohncarpenter]

What do you think? Will I be dissapointed if I sell my copy of Memphis Recording Service vol.2 and buy instead the Boy from Tupelo boxset? Wont there be something important that is on MRS set?

No.

No.

You will be more than pleased with the landmark release of A Boy From Tupelo.

[JamesVRoy]

For what it's worth (not much), I was able to send Scotty a CD of the recording last week after someone had posted a clip (tcb1, thanks) and I heard back today. He loved it and said he didn't remember ever playing that long a solo. He thinks my suspicions that it may be from a remote broadcast like Gladewater might be correct because, in addition to the context of the introduction I mentioned already, you can't hear Bill's bass very good if at all. He said the sound on the stage in Shreveport was great and they used to mic Bill's bass. In this recording what comes across is Scotty's guitar, Elvis' vocals and even his rhythm playing but not Bill's bass.

[Steve Morse]

For what it's worth (not much), I was able to send Scotty a CD of the recording last week after someone had posted a clip (tcb1, thanks) and I heard back today. He loved it and said he didn't remember ever playing that long a solo. He thinks my suspicions that it may be from a remote broadcast like Gladewater might be correct because, in addition to the context of the introduction I mentioned already, you can't hear Bill's bass very good if at all. He said the sound on the stage in Shreveport was great and they used to mic Bill's bass. In this recording what comes across is Scotty's guitar, Elvis' vocals and even his rhythm playing but not Bill's bass.

It's worth a lot, James - a few facts, at last, amidst all the speculation.

Perhaps now, some who have so confidently planted a date on this show might like to reconsider . So good to know that Scotty has heard the recording - that was one of my first thoughts when I first listened to it, viz. Scotty must hear this !

Steve Morse

[drjohncarpenter]

For what it's worth (not much), I was able to send Scotty a CD of the recording last week after someone had posted a clip (tcb1, thanks) and I heard back today. He loved it and said he didn't remember ever playing that long a solo. He thinks my suspicions that it may be from a remote broadcast like Gladewater might be correct because, in addition to the context of the introduction I mentioned already, you can't hear Bill's bass very good if at all. He said the sound on the stage in Shreveport was great and they used to mic Bill's bass. In this recording what comes across is Scotty's guitar, Elvis' vocals and even his rhythm playing but not Bill's bass.

It's worth a lot, James - a few facts, at last, amidst all the speculation.

That's funny, as all I read is more speculation, not facts.

My dating is clearly based on known facts; revisit my previous posts and read with care this time.

Incidentally, on the April 30, 1955 Hayride remote from Gladewater, TX, one may hear Bill Black just fine.

More food for thought!

[nevermind]

What do you think? Will I be dissapointed if I sell my copy of Memphis Recording Service vol.2 and buy instead the Boy from Tupelo boxset? Wont there be something important that is on MRS set?

You are wise enough to decide for yourself. At least, don't take the advice given by the ''whatever'' (over 46.000 posts) on this page.

MRS has proven to be a worthy label.

[elvisalisellers]

....you can't hear Bill's bass very good if at all. In this recording what comes across is Scotty's guitar, Elvis' vocals and even his rhythm playing but not Bill's bass.

It's probable Bill Black's double bass is not heard to any great effect because the sounds we are hearing are solely from the offline camera mic, "amberola1b" used in his video presentation - not the most favorable set of circumstances to judge the sonics of a 57 year old wire recording.
I'm sure the bass response will be more evident whenever we get to hear the track from a careful inline transfer.

[Steve Morse]

For what it's worth (not much), I was able to send Scotty a CD of the recording last week after someone had posted a clip (tcb1, thanks) and I heard back today. He loved it and said he didn't remember ever playing that long a solo. He thinks my suspicions that it may be from a remote broadcast like Gladewater might be correct because, in addition to the context of the introduction I mentioned already, you can't hear Bill's bass very good if at all. He said the sound on the stage in Shreveport was great and they used to mic Bill's bass. In this recording what comes across is Scotty's guitar, Elvis' vocals and even his rhythm playing but not Bill's bass.

It's worth a lot, James - a few facts, at last, amidst all the speculation.

That's funny, as all I read is more speculation, not facts.

My dating is clearly based on known facts; revisit my previous posts and read with care this time.

Incidentally, on the April 30, 1955 Hayride remote from Gladewater, TX, one may hear Bill Black just fine.

More food for thought!

“Dear, sweet Snow White!”

So, Doc, you know more about ‘Early Elvis’ than Scotty Moore does ? After all, his only accreditation is that he was actually there.

But you miss the point, anyway. It’s not whether you are right or wrong about the date of the show, or anything else ; it’s your unending arrogance and self-promotion that gets to people. Others would have respected Scotty’s comments and perhaps have said that, even so, they still felt that their own suggested date/location was probably correct.

So, it’s back to your mirror, Dr. John. Who is the most knowledgeable of all ? - Why, it’s you, Doctor ! Maybe you will only finally get peace of mind when this website is renamed, “For Dr. John Carpenter fans, only”.

Hope this helps.

Steve Morse

[Lisa Rose]

For what it's worth (not much), I was able to send Scotty a CD of the recording last week after someone had posted a clip (tcb1, thanks) and I heard back today. He loved it and said he didn't remember ever playing that long a solo. He thinks my suspicions that it may be from a remote broadcast like Gladewater might be correct because, in addition to the context of the introduction I mentioned already, you can't hear Bill's bass very good if at all. He said the sound on the stage in Shreveport was great and they used to mic Bill's bass. In this recording what comes across is Scotty's guitar, Elvis' vocals and even his rhythm playing but not Bill's bass.

Does Scotty think that it was recorded on november 19th?

[JamesVRoy]

For what it's worth (not much), I was able to send Scotty a CD of the recording last week after someone had posted a clip (tcb1, thanks) and I heard back today. He loved it and said he didn't remember ever playing that long a solo. He thinks my suspicions that it may be from a remote broadcast like Gladewater might be correct because, in addition to the context of the introduction I mentioned already, you can't hear Bill's bass very good if at all. He said the sound on the stage in Shreveport was great and they used to mic Bill's bass. In this recording what comes across is Scotty's guitar, Elvis' vocals and even his rhythm playing but not Bill's bass.

Does Scotty think that it was recorded on november 19th?

Scotty doesn't know when it was recorded, neither do I.


Geez folks, I didn't plan to add fuel to the/a fire, hopefully you don't read more into what I wrote. I only offered some observations about it possibly being a remote broadcast and Scotty offered his based on what he heard in "this" recording, and that he enjoyed it as much you. Whether the audio will improve at some point and reveal more would be nice but its more like "high hopes" than "little doubt." As for facts we only know the ads exist as originally published in Joey Kent's book, which has other misdates and a few errors in it also. In it he says Busby debuted on Oct 1. but also that they were a featured act for the next seven months. The only other clue is Horace's statement about the charts which still is more interpretive than conclusive.
You should all dispense with the animosities and just enjoy the fact that the recording surfaced, regardless of when/where it was broadcast. I'm almost sorry I checked in.

[Good Time Charlie]

Thanks for sharing us Scotty's thoughts James.

Much appreciated by this fan.

[Lisa Rose]

Geez folks, I didn't plan to add fuel to the/a fire, hopefully you don't read more into what I wrote. I'm almost sorry I checked in.

Don't regret it, your valuable input is very much welcomed!

[Ciscoking]

Geez folks, I didn't plan to add fuel to the/a fire, hopefully you don't read more into what I wrote. I'm almost sorry I checked in.

Don't regret it, your valuable input is very much welcomed!

My thoughts exactly...great stuff..

[Hound Dog 2000]

For what it's worth (not much), I was able to send Scotty a CD of the recording last week after someone had posted a clip (tcb1, thanks) and I heard back today. He loved it and said he didn't remember ever playing that long a solo. He thinks my suspicions that it may be from a remote broadcast like Gladewater might be correct because, in addition to the context of the introduction I mentioned already, you can't hear Bill's bass very good if at all. He said the sound on the stage in Shreveport was great and they used to mic Bill's bass. In this recording what comes across is Scotty's guitar, Elvis' vocals and even his rhythm playing but not Bill's bass.

It's worth a lot, James - a few facts, at last, amidst all the speculation.

That's funny, as all I read is more speculation, not facts.

My dating is clearly based on known facts; revisit my previous posts and read with care this time.

Incidentally, on the April 30, 1955 Hayride remote from Gladewater, TX, one may hear Bill Black just fine.

More food for thought!

“Dear, sweet Snow White!”

So, Doc you know more about ‘Early Elvis’ than Scotty Moore does ? After all, his only accreditation is that he was actually there.

But you miss the point, anyway. It’s not whether you are right or wrong about the date of the show, or anything else ; it’s your unending arrogance and self-promotion that gets to people. Others would have respected Scotty’s comments and perhaps have said that, even so, they still felt that their own suggested date/location was probably correct.

So, it’s back to your mirror, Dr. John. Who is the most knowledgeable of all ? - Why, it’s you, Doctor ! Maybe you will only finally get peace of mind when this website is renamed, “For Dr. John Carpenter fans, only”.

Hope this helps.

Steve Morse

Steve:

Gladwater is much UNLIKELY in my humble opinion.
I think Doc put the recording in the right period : Oct 1st

Scotty been a GREAT "SUN" guitarist and smart man..BUT his memory is SOOOO fallacious-misleading !

Thanks to Roy for having shared the Scotty's comment about the newly found 1955 recording.

Roy you there ? Let me ask you : have you ever asked Scotty if they played ROCK AROUND THE CLOCK during 1955 ? This song got a quite difficult guitar riff-passages , he should have tried it a lot before playing it.

[MaryAnn]

For what it's worth (not much), I was able to send Scotty a CD of the recording last week after someone had posted a clip (tcb1, thanks) and I heard back today. He loved it and said he didn't remember ever playing that long a solo. He thinks my suspicions that it may be from a remote broadcast like Gladewater might be correct because, in addition to the context of the introduction I mentioned already, you can't hear Bill's bass very good if at all. He said the sound on the stage in Shreveport was great and they used to mic Bill's bass. In this recording what comes across is Scotty's guitar, Elvis' vocals and even his rhythm playing but not Bill's bass.

Thanks, James. I loved hearing that Scotty loved it!

I was just thinking that Scotty heard (and helped create!) hundreds of these stellar performances that will sadly never be heard again. I can't imagine the thrill he must feel when something like this surfaces!

[Rich_TCB]

It's probable Bill Black's double bass is not heard to any great effect because the sounds we are hearing are solely from the offline camera mic, "amberola1b" used in his video presentation - not the most favorable set of circumstances to judge the sonics of a 57 year old wire recording.
I'm sure the bass response will be more evident whenever we get to hear the track from a careful inline transfer.

I agree with you. Video camera mics do not pick up bass well at all.

You should all dispense with the animosities and just enjoy the fact that the recording surfaced, regardless of when/where it was broadcast.

Well said.

[mjsantafe]

James,
Thank you for sharing Scotty's reaction to the recording.
Hopefully, there will be more hidden treasures to be released for him to enjoy in the very near future.

[TJ]

For what it's worth (not much), I was able to send Scotty a CD of the recording last week after someone had posted a clip (tcb1, thanks) and I heard back today. He loved it and said he didn't remember ever playing that long a solo. He thinks my suspicions that it may be from a remote broadcast like Gladewater might be correct because, in addition to the context of the introduction I mentioned already, you can't hear Bill's bass very good if at all. He said the sound on the stage in Shreveport was great and they used to mic Bill's bass. In this recording what comes across is Scotty's guitar, Elvis' vocals and even his rhythm playing but not Bill's bass.

Does Scotty think that it was recorded on november 19th?

Scotty doesn't know when it was recorded, neither do I.


Geez folks, I didn't plan to add fuel to the/a fire, hopefully you don't read more into what I wrote. I only offered some observations about it possibly being a remote broadcast and Scotty offered his based on what he heard in "this" recording, and that he enjoyed it as much you. Whether the audio will improve at some point and reveal more would be nice but its more like "high hopes" than "little doubt." As for facts we only know the ads exist as originally published in Joey Kent's book, which has other misdates and a few errors in it also. In it he says Busby debuted on Oct 1. but also that they were a featured act for the next seven months. The only other clue is Horace's statement about the charts which still is more interpretive than conclusive.
You should all dispense with the animosities and just enjoy the fact that the recording surfaced, regardless of when/where it was broadcast. I'm almost sorry I checked in.

It doesn't have to be Gladewater to be a remote broadcast. The October 8 Hayride show was a remote broadcast from Houston, but I don't know whether or not Busby appeared on that show. If he did, I can't think of any reason why October 8 would be less likely than October 1. A poster/ad for the Houston gig would be useful.

And thanks James for letting us know about Scotty's response. Cool to know that he heard and enjoyed the song.

[JohnnyRebel42]

For what it's worth (not much), I was able to send Scotty a CD of the recording last week after someone had posted a clip (tcb1, thanks) and I heard back today. He loved it and said he didn't remember ever playing that long a solo. He thinks my suspicions that it may be from a remote broadcast like Gladewater might be correct because, in addition to the context of the introduction I mentioned already, you can't hear Bill's bass very good if at all. He said the sound on the stage in Shreveport was great and they used to mic Bill's bass. In this recording what comes across is Scotty's guitar, Elvis' vocals and even his rhythm playing but not Bill's bass.

It's worth a lot, James - a few facts, at last, amidst all the speculation.

That's funny, as all I read is more speculation, not facts.

My dating is clearly based on known facts; revisit my previous posts and read with care this time.

Incidentally, on the April 30, 1955 Hayride remote from Gladewater, TX, one may hear Bill Black just fine.

More food for thought!

“Dear, sweet Snow White!”

So, Doc, you know more about ‘Early Elvis’ than Scotty Moore does ? After all, his only accreditation is that he was actually there.

But you miss the point, anyway. It’s not whether you are right or wrong about the date of the show, or anything else ; it’s your unending arrogance and self-promotion that gets to people. Others would have respected Scotty’s comments and perhaps have said that, even so, they still felt that their own suggested date/location was probably correct.

So, it’s back to your mirror, Dr. John. Who is the most knowledgeable of all ? - Why, it’s you, Doctor ! Maybe you will only finally get peace of mind when this website is renamed, “For Dr. John Carpenter fans, only”.

Hope this helps.

Steve Morse

+ 1,000,000 !

[drjohncarpenter]

So, Doc, you know more about ‘Early Elvis’ than Scotty Moore does ? After all, his only accreditation is that he was actually there.

Well, I am certain I know more about 'Early Elvis' than you.

Scotty Moore, bless his heart, is on record as not having a keen memory:

I have read that Elvis sang the Platters-hit 'Only You' live in 1955/56. Was it performed on more than one occasion?

Yes, I think so. I remember doing it, but I don't remember any dates. We did it some, but not very much.

And 'Rock Around The Clock'?

We tried that a few times, that was really in the very early days. I don't think it ever got recorded on tape, live or anything.

They recently found Louisiana Hayride recordings of "Hearts Of Stone" and "Little Mama"

Who is "they"?

Ernst Jorgensen from RCA

I remember 'Hearts Of Stone', but I don't remember the other song.

It's a Clovers song, and there's steel and piano on it

We used the other guys on there some. Steel players, drummers...

Floyd Cramer also played at the Hayride, didn't he?

Yeah, but I don't remember him playing anything with us at the Hayride. He played some club dates with us. There's another guy that I do remember playing piano with us, and his name is Leon Post. See, it was a big stage with different acts, and they all intermingled. It was like a big family. It was like: "Hey c'mon, play with me on that song" - you know, that kind of thing. That's how we ended up with piano and steel sometimes.

Can you remember if you, Elvis and Bill performed on Roy Orbison's television-show on KOSA in Odessa, Texas in 1955?

We may have, I don't know. I don't remember it.

Scotty Moore Interview
By: Arjan Deelen - June 19, 2001
http://www.tonkoorevaar.be/Always-Elvis-2/elvis-on-video/interviews/interview-scotty-moore.htm

So, there you are.

On this topic, and in general, I do not make specious arguments.

Rather, I work from facts. You should try it sometime.

[billyblues]

Doc, I respect you. I reckon you're one of the few guys around here who knows a whole lot of facts about Elvis and Rock'n'Roll in general.

But I think Steve's post comes down to this:

But you miss the point, anyway. It’s not whether you are right or wrong about the date of the show, or anything else ; it’s your unending arrogance and self-promotion that gets to people. Others would have respected Scotty’s comments and perhaps have said that, even so, they still felt that their own suggested date/location was probably correct.

It's not that you're not right or may not be right, it's the way you present your words. To some it may sound rude or arrogant (or even worse: both). I'm sure you don't want to put it that way, you're just trying to present some facts to the table and contribute to the overall discussion... But I'm also of the opinion that sometimes you do sound rude, even if you don't mean to sound that way (other times it seems that you do want to sound that way, as in the "head trauma" comments you made some time ago to a certain user, which was totally unnecessary).

You may not remember my very first post in this forum. But I do remember and I still think the same way. I respect you, I respect your knowledge and when we have the chance to read Elvis discussions with your opinion included and facts presented, without negative comments towards users (be it from you or aimed at you - which seems to happen a lot), it's a huge pleasure. But I just don't understand why you have to put your posts the way you do sometimes and I never will. Man, you're a huge Elvis fan and of music in general. You know a lot about what you speak of, you usually don't post if you don't have something factual to say. So why act this way towards other users? For example: "Well, I am certain I know more about 'Early Elvis' than you."
Please, Doc, listen to what I'm saying. I'm not offending you, what you see here are the words of someone who respects you a lot and appreciate your knowledge. You don't need to be that way to share your opinions and facts... Really.

Thanks.

[Steve Morse]

If you work from facts, then how can you be certain that you 'know more about Early Elvis' than me ? I have stood on the stage of the Overton Park Shell, I have been inside Humes High and I have visited the Presley family rooms at Lauderdale Courts. All that proves absolutely nothing other than to say I don't require your insults.

Once again your unfailing arrogance rears its ugly head with its continuing monotony.You insult Scotty Moore, too, with your oh-so-clever quotes.

Steve Morse

[drjohncarpenter]

If you work from facts, then how can you be certain that you 'know more about Early Elvis' than me ? I have stood on the stage of the Overton Park Shell, I have been inside Humes High and I have visited the Presley family rooms at Lauderdale Courts. All that proves absolutely nothing other than to say I don't require your insults.

Ironic.

My statement to you is a fact, while many of your posts are often nothing but insults aimed my way.

Anyone may see you often target my posts out of the blue, and you are never complimentary.

Grow up.

[Matthew]

....you can't hear Bill's bass very good if at all. In this recording what comes across is Scotty's guitar, Elvis' vocals and even his rhythm playing but not Bill's bass.

It's probable Bill Black's double bass is not heard to any great effect because the sounds we are hearing are solely from the offline camera mic, "amberola1b" used in his video presentation - not the most favorable set of circumstances to judge the sonics of a 57 year old wire recording.
I'm sure the bass response will be more evident whenever we get to hear the track from a careful inline transfer.

Wise words.

[rickeap]

A great discovery in the Elvis world turned into another fight on FECC. What a surprise.

[Matthew]

A great discovery in the Elvis world turned into another fight on FECC. What a surprise.

Looking through the last couple of pages it is easy to see where the first taunt was placed, it wasn't by an American.