Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

[pmp]

The tiger man thing aside, I find it odd how so many "elvis-fans" don't "get" Elvis' sense of humor... I realize it's the society we live in today... people need everything explained to them otherwise they're offended or misunderstand... sad

The jokes are fifty years old, and were more silly than funny anyway.

[elvis-fan]

The tiger man thing aside, I find it odd how so many "elvis-fans" don't "get" Elvis' sense of humor... I realize it's the society we live in today... people need everything explained to them otherwise they're offended or misunderstand... sad

The jokes are fifty years old, and were more silly than funny anyway.

Thanks Dad...

[drjohncarpenter]

You call that dead serious ?
Even the audience knew he was joking because they laughed.
How many laughs do you think he was getting from his dead serious Tigerman joke ? Answer would be none.

This is getting ridiculously hilarious .
Funny how now producing one example isn't proof enough but that Tigerman file that's been reposted a couple dozen times is looked at by some as the ultimate proof.
So then we produce multiple examples spanning 4 years and that isn't proof enough.
Like I said ridiculously hilarious .

Trolls work very, very hard to disrupt a conversation. What they present is almost always as disingenuous as the example you just demolished.

And look, it's page 107, and almost all have rreturned yet again to post their drivel. Please ignore!

[drjohncarpenter]

The tiger man thing aside, I find it odd how so many "elvis-fans" don't "get" Elvis' sense of humor... I realize it's the society we live in today... people need everything explained to them otherwise they're offended or misunderstand... sad

In the case of the B.J. Thomas song introduction, he is clearly being tongue-in-cheek.

It was disingenuous to suggest otherwise, but trolls are gonna troll.

Many examples of his self-deprecating humour may be found on official and unofficial live recordings from 1969 and 1970.

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[Buddy]

Didn't Elvis also told the audience in 1969 "this is my first live appearance in 9 years"?

[pmp]

Didn't Elvis also told the audience in 1969 "this is my first live appearance in 9 years"?

Yep.

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[Steve Morse]

You seem to be confused with Elvis "trying a song" and saying it was his "second record." If he did "try the song" and then said it was his "second record," he is LYING. He would NOT have been telling the truth, because it wasn't his second record!

I take issue again with the use of the word LYING. "Lying" implies stating a deliberate falsehood, in order to deceive someone.

As I have said before, Elvis was very casual about facts, especially so when attributing dates and time periods to aspects of his life and career. He seemed to attach very little importance to accuracy about such things. That's just the way he was, but I don't call it lying. "Mis-remembering" would be more accurate and far less disparaging about a man we all admire for his musical talent.

[pmp]

You seem to be confused with Elvis "trying a song" and saying it was his "second record." If he did "try the song" and then said it was his "second record," he is LYING. He would NOT have been telling the truth, because it wasn't his second record!

I take issue again with the use of the word LYING. "Lying" implies stating a deliberate falsehood, in order to deceive someone.

As I have said before, Elvis was very casual about facts, especially so when attributing dates and time periods to aspects of his life and career. He seemed to attach very little importance to accuracy about such things. That's just the way he was, but I don't call it lying. "Mis-remembering" would be more accurate and far less disparaging about a man we all admire for his musical talent.

Frankly, Steve, I don't care! He is not misremembering, as he knew full well what his first record was and what his second record was. And they weren't My Happiness and Tiger Man respectively. Therefore he is "stating a deliberate falsehood" and "misremembering" would not be more accurate.

I have no interest in sparing the feelings of someone who has been dead 45 years. Admiring musical talent has nothing to do with admiring the man. Although, the thread is not an attack of his on stage tales of mystery and imagination, it's about others not realising they were untrue.

[Rob]

I have no interest in sparing the feelings of someone who has been dead 45 years.

Do you reckon you've hurt Elvis' feelings?

[drjohncarpenter]

I have no interest in sparing the feelings of someone who has been dead 45 years.

Do you reckon you've hurt Elvis' feelings?

Why don't you guys start a new topic on this, so the trolling can have somewhere else to go?

Seriously, the page count here would be 50% less if not for their relentless bullshit.

[Rob]

A new one could never top this one. This one is a classic, trollers be damned.

I still feel like Elvis misremembered and was not intentionally telling a falsehood. I've heard the recordings many times and I sincerely believe he was serious when discussing this. I really think he thought he recorded this. Maybe I give him too much credit, but it can't be helped.

[pmp]

A new one could never top this one. This one is a classic, trollers be damned.

I still feel like Elvis misremembered and was not intentionally telling a falsehood. I've heard the recordings many times and I sincerely believe he was serious when discussing this. I really thing he thought he recorded this. Maybe I give him too much credit, but it can't be helped.

Let's put it this way. You come from a very poor family. You dream of being a singer. You get your first chance at Sun. That chance ultimatly makes you one of the most famous people in the world.

And you're saying he couldn't remember what his first two record releases were or how they came about?

C'mon Rob. You and I both know that there's more chance of me and Doc going on a date than that happening. Do you think an author forgets the name of their first book? Or a director forgets the name of the first movie they directed? It is utterly unfeasible, especially considering what he had come from.

[drjohncarpenter]

A new one could never top this one. This one is a classic, trollers be damned.

I still feel like Elvis misremembered and was not intentionally telling a falsehood. I've heard the recordings many times and I sincerely believe he was serious when discussing this. I really think he thought he recorded this. Maybe I give him too much credit, but it can't be helped.

Yes, he misremembered for years and years. Nah, sorry, that dog don't hunt.

But you're correct about his serious and sober statements, especially from the 1970 recordings and most especially when they were married to SOLO renditions of "Tiger Man (King of The Jungle)." (He never did a SOLO version of "Mystery Train" in the 1970s that we know of, BTW.)

Thus, the reason I put this topic together.

But some here have a real problem with even the possibility that Elvis Presley might have ever had a single coherent or deliberate memory of the period in his life where everything changed.

Or perhaps their problem is just with me, as one of the trolls openly admitted last week on this topic.

In any case, they're either cynical beyond belief, idiots, or a fetid combination of both. I only wish they'd stop trolling this topic for the rest of us.

[Rob]

C'mon Rob. You and I both know that there's more chance of me and Doc going on a date than that happening. Do you think an author forgets the name of their first book? Or a director forgets the name of the first movie they directed? It is utterly unfeasible, especially considering what he had come from.

Elvis had a history of saying things on stage that were not true. I never concerned myself with most of them. "My first live appearance in nine years" is one that I can easily overlook. "Here's a song that we did two or three years ago called The Wonder of You" is another one. He didn't give any thought to when he actually recorded it. I was always impressed at how he was normally spot on with how long band members had been with him. He usually got the Sweets correct when introducing them. He definitely mispronounced his rhythm guitar players last name night after night (Wilkerson). However, I've been told be another band member that the "Wilkerson" thing was an inside joke.

Yes, I think Elvis thought it was recorded. Just a few short years ago, I would have called anyone a liar that would have told me "Pieces of My Life" was performed live. I did call someone on here a liar (in so many words) when they told me a few years ago that they were listening to the soundboard recording from Atlanta in December 1976. Stranger things have happened than Elvis recording "Tiger Man" at Sun. I don't believe for one minute that he did. But Elvis was loaded with responsibility and had been for about 15 years at the time. He could have simply been mistaken. It is possible.

I'm sticking with the theory that he didn't intentionally make the story up.

If he did record it, I hope to hear it before I meet him.

[drjohncarpenter]

Yes, I think Elvis thought it was recorded. Just a few short years ago, I would have called anyone a liar that would have told me "Pieces of My Life" was performed live. I did call someone on here a liar (in so many words) when they told me a few years ago that they were listening to the soundboard recording from Atlanta in December 1976. Stranger things have happened than Elvis recording "Tiger Man" at Sun. I don't believe for one minute that he did.

Great.

By the way, those are two of the weakest analogies I have read in a long while, especially in regards to this topic.

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[Rob]

By the way, those are two of the weakest analogies I have read in a long while, especially in regards to this topic.

It matters not to me what you think of my analogies. They were both something I didn't expect. Both were nice surprises to me. Naturally, they cannot compare to a Sun recording of "Tiger Man," (if such a thing even exists), but it does show that things turn up when you think you've heard everything. "Little Mama" and "I Forgot To Remember To Forget" performed at the Louisiana Hayride were both things that I didn't expect to hear a few years ago.

The aforementioned song would be very nice, just not counting on it.

[pmp]

C'mon Rob. You and I both know that there's more chance of me and Doc going on a date than that happening. Do you think an author forgets the name of their first book? Or a director forgets the name of the first movie they directed? It is utterly unfeasible, especially considering what he had come from.

Elvis had a history of saying things on stage that were not true. I never concerned myself with most of them. "My first live appearance in nine years" is one that I can easily overlook. "Here's a song that we did two or three years ago called The Wonder of You" is another one. He didn't give any thought to when he actually recorded it. I was always impressed at how he was normally spot on with how long band members had been with him. He usually got the Sweets correct when introducing them. He definitely mispronounced his rhythm guitar players last name night after night (Wilkerson). However, I've been told be another band member that the "Wilkerson" thing was an inside joke.

Yes, I think Elvis thought it was recorded. Just a few short years ago, I would have called anyone a liar that would have told me "Pieces of My Life" was performed live. I did call someone on here a liar (in so many words) when they told me a few years ago that they were listening to the soundboard recording from Atlanta in December 1976. Stranger things have happened than Elvis recording "Tiger Man" at Sun. I don't believe for one minute that he did. But Elvis was loaded with responsibility and had been for about 15 years at the time. He could have simply been mistaken. It is possible.

I'm sticking with the theory that he didn't intentionally make the story up.

If he did record it, I hope to hear it before I meet him.

Those instances have nothing to do with Elvis misremembering his second record. And again, this isn't about whether he recorded it or not, it's about whether it was a master that inexplicably was not handed to RCA in 1955, despite those tapes including all masters and alternate takes.

[drjohncarpenter]

By the way, those are two of the weakest analogies I have read in a long while, especially in regards to this topic.

It matters not to me what you think of my analogies. They were both something I didn't expect. Both were nice surprises to me. Naturally, they cannot compare to a Sun recording of "Tiger Man," (if such a thing even exists), but it does show that things turn up when you think you've heard everything. "Little Mama" and "I Forgot To Remember To Forget" performed at the Louisiana Hayride were both things that I didn't expect to hear a few years ago.

The aforementioned song would be very nice, just not counting on it.

Thanks.

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[Rob]

By the way, those are two of the weakest analogies I have read in a long while, especially in regards to this topic.

It matters not to me what you think of my analogies. They were both something I didn't expect. Both were nice surprises to me. Naturally, they cannot compare to a Sun recording of "Tiger Man," (if such a thing even exists), but it does show that things turn up when you think you've heard everything. "Little Mama" and "I Forgot To Remember To Forget" performed at the Louisiana Hayride were both things that I didn't expect to hear a few years ago.

The aforementioned song would be very nice, just not counting on it.

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Threatened with suspension? That has never happened in the entire time I've been here. ANY moderator will tell you the same thing. Yes, I changed my reply, but it all boils down to the same thing. I've never given a damn what anyone else here has thought about anything I've posted and never will. I changed my reply because it seemed a little harsh and I'm normally not that way.

I have been very open minded. I would love to see such a recording. I, however, would not hold my breath because my personal belief is that it does not exist. But, hey, to those who do, good luck with that.

I hope like hell I'm wrong.

C'mon Rob. You and I both know that there's more chance of me and Doc going on a date than that happening. Do you think an author forgets the name of their first book? Or a director forgets the name of the first movie they directed? It is utterly unfeasible, especially considering what he had come from.

Elvis had a history of saying things on stage that were not true. I never concerned myself with most of them. "My first live appearance in nine years" is one that I can easily overlook. "Here's a song that we did two or three years ago called The Wonder of You" is another one. He didn't give any thought to when he actually recorded it. I was always impressed at how he was normally spot on with how long band members had been with him. He usually got the Sweets correct when introducing them. He definitely mispronounced his rhythm guitar players last name night after night (Wilkerson). However, I've been told be another band member that the "Wilkerson" thing was an inside joke.

Yes, I think Elvis thought it was recorded. Just a few short years ago, I would have called anyone a liar that would have told me "Pieces of My Life" was performed live. I did call someone on here a liar (in so many words) when they told me a few years ago that they were listening to the soundboard recording from Atlanta in December 1976. Stranger things have happened than Elvis recording "Tiger Man" at Sun. I don't believe for one minute that he did. But Elvis was loaded with responsibility and had been for about 15 years at the time. He could have simply been mistaken. It is possible.

I'm sticking with the theory that he didn't intentionally make the story up.

If he did record it, I hope to hear it before I meet him.

Those instances have nothing to do with Elvis misremembering his second record. And again, this isn't about whether he recorded it or not, it's about whether it was a master that inexplicably was not handed to RCA in 1955, despite those tapes including all masters and alternate takes.

I cannot disagree with that. I do not believe there was a master of the song.

In this case, it would be nice to be wrong.

[drjohncarpenter]

Most of us have remained fairly open minded, if not downright indulgent, to the idea that Elvis actually recorded Tiger Man at Sun. The fact remains, however, that almost no solid evidence -- other than Elvis' statements

Totally worthless.

[drjohncarpenter]

Yes, I changed my reply ...

Thanks.