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Per a reader/contributor request.

Musically, the lyrics are trite and simple, but being one of the first albums I owned way back in the late sixties (a gift from a friend of the mono version), I have a guilty pleasure for this and several other tracks on the album. I measure the quality of a song and performance by my willingness to let it play in the car or at the house if I have a guest with me (family doesn’t count – they get it all). There’s not a song that would be on a disc / USB that I’d play for a guest from this album.

The sheet music is unusual (see below), in that the first two lines, and the second two lines share the same notes and chords, and are written with a repeat frame. Interesting.

In Elvis Monthly Issue No. 72, a review of this song reads as follows: “Elvis the Sheik? Here Elvis sings an Eastern-type ballad once again in a crooning voice to the backing of mandolins. El’s voice, as ever, excels on the deep fruity tones and the way he slides over the extra-specially sentimental lyric is guaranteed to make all El fan’s blood run cold. If your mind is as distorted as mine you will see visions of camels and coloured rugs before your eyes when listening to this track! Listen out especially for that fabulous soft roll of drums.” NOTE: I’m not sure what ‘fruity tones’ are.

The overall opinion of the reviewer of the album in this issue was “… one of the most fascinating LP’s Elvis has made (he had not seen the film), though not his best by a long chalk.” Fair enough.

This issue also has an article about the film, asking “Is this the most spectacular El film ever?” The contributor thinks so. I, very regrettably, took a friend to see this in 1970 when Elvis’ films were being shown as Saturday afternoon filler, and as the film ran, I sank further and further into my seat. I don’t recall seeing this since I was nine when it first played at the theatre, and liked it then. My opinion changed that afternoon, and has sunk further as I lament what Elvis choose to do.

My look at the album:

HAREM HOLIDAY starts off with a bum note and goes downhill. One of, if not the worst, title tracks (in Europe anyhow).

MY DESERT SERENADE is okay, Elvis singing well, though the lyrics are poor.

GO EAST – YOUNG MAN is a poor song, but Elvis sings it so well, and it’s kinda fun, I don’t mind it.

MIRAGE and KISMET are similar and both are well-liked by me.

SHAKE THAT TAMBOURINE the reviewer found in the same style as DO THE CLAM – so that can’t be good. Tell the guy at the ’68 recordings NOT to shake that tambourine. Okay.

HEY LITTLE GIRL is (one of) the most cringeworthy songs performed in an Elvis movie. Just picture the scene. Listen to the lyrics. Case closed.

SO CLOSE, YET SO FAR is one of the better tracks on the album, but the bar is low, though I do appreciate Elvis’ vocal efforts.

The two bonus songs *ANIMAL INSTINCT” and “WISDOM OF THE AGES” are ‘weird,’ do seem to fit with the other songs on this album, and I do enjoy them.

An essential read I have had since the early 1980s is “Studies in Modern Music – Elvis Presley” by Robert Matthew-Walker. His review of the film was “Presley’s credibility took a sharp downward turn. Almost all of the songs in this film are mediocre, and scarcely bear serious attention.”

Later he writes “with ‘Golden Coins’ we touch rock bottom.” I would say others deserve that recognition, but perhaps we’re just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

An album I listen to from time to time, it’s quickly over, and I like Elvis' voice – but totally wasted with this material in 1965!
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Christopher Brown wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:30 am
Per a reader/contributor request.

Musically, the lyrics are trite and simple, but being one of the first albums I owned way back in the late sixties (a gift from a friend of the mono version), I have a guilty pleasure for this and several other tracks on the album. I measure the quality of a song and performance by my willingness to let it play in the car or at the house if I have a guest with me (family doesn’t count – they get it all). There’s not a song that would be on a disc / USB that I’d play for a guest from this album.

The sheet music is unusual (see below), in that the first two lines, and the second two lines share the same notes and chords, and are written with a repeat frame. Interesting.

In Elvis Monthly Issue No. 72, a review of this song reads as follows: “Elvis the Sheik? Here Elvis sings an Eastern-type ballad once again in a crooning voice to the backing of mandolins. El’s voice, as ever, excels on the deep fruity tones and the way he slides over the extra-specially sentimental lyric is guaranteed to make all El fan’s blood run cold. If your mind is as distorted as mine you will see visions of camels and coloured rugs before your eyes when listening to this track! Listen out especially for that fabulous soft roll of drums.” NOTE: I’m not sure what ‘fruity tones’ are.

The overall opinion of the reviewer of the album in this issue was “… one of the most fascinating LP’s Elvis has made (he had not seen the film), though not his best by a long chalk.” Fair enough.

This issue also has an article about the film, asking “Is this the most spectacular El film ever?” The contributor thinks so. I, very regrettably, took a friend to see this in 1970 when Elvis’ films were being shown as Saturday afternoon filler, and as the film ran, I sank further and further into my seat. I don’t recall seeing this since I was nine when it first played at the theatre, and liked it then. My opinion changed that afternoon, and has sunk further as I lament what Elvis choose to do.

My look at the album:

HAREM HOLIDAY starts off with a bum note and goes downhill. One of, if not the worst, title tracks (in Europe anyhow).

MY DESERT SERENADE is okay, Elvis singing well, though the lyrics are poor.

GO EAST – YOUNG MAN is a poor song, but Elvis sings it so well, and it’s kinda fun, I don’t mind it.

MIRAGE and KISMET are similar and both are well-liked by me.

SHAKE THAT TAMBOURINE the reviewer found in the same style as DO THE CLAM – so that can’t be good. Tell the guy at the ’68 recordings NOT to shake that tambourine. Okay.

HEY LITTLE GIRL is (one of) the most cringeworthy songs performed in an Elvis movie. Just picture the scene. Listen to the lyrics. Case closed.

SO CLOSE, YET SO FAR is one of the better tracks on the album, but the bar is low, though I do appreciate Elvis’ vocal efforts.

The two bonus songs *ANIMAL INSTINCT” and “WISDOM OF THE AGES” are ‘weird,’ do seem to fit with the other songs on this album, and I do enjoy them.

An essential read I have had since the early 1980s is “Studies in Modern Music – Elvis Presley” by Robert Matthew-Walker. His review of the film was “Presley’s credibility took a sharp downward turn. Almost all of the songs in this film are mediocre, and scarcely bear serious attention.”

Later he writes “with ‘Golden Coins’ we touch rock bottom.” I would say others deserve that recognition, but perhaps we’re just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

An album I listen to from time to time, it’s quickly over, and I like Elvis' voice – but totally wasted with this material in 1965!
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I recall the first time I heard this track when I was about 12 that I thought the lyric "Persian rugs to enhance your floor" was pretty lame and as I got older that opinion has not changed. I am surprised there was not a call to re-write or edit out that line. It still would not have made it a classic but I can take " Baby If Youll Give Me All Your Love" and its "pounds and pounds of chocolate candy" over Golden Coins rug enhancing any day.

In a strange way the HS album is one that I have played more in recent years than I ever did back in the 80's and I think that is due to lack of over familiarity. Maybe the ballads work better for me now than they did when I was a kid plus the DF release finally made the soundtrack sound better than the UK vinyl that sounded very flat.

Its a shame also that one of the earlier takes of the title track was not used or spliced in as I agree he sounds flat on the master on the "Gonna travel" intro.
May have been asked on here before but is there any info on whether any of the songwriters actually came up with a song/demo for a track actually called Harum Scarum ??



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charroman wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:54 pm
I recall the first time I heard this track when I was about 12 that I thought the lyric "Persian rugs to enhance your floor" was pretty lame and as I got older that opinion has not changed. I am surprised there was not a call to re-write or edit out that line. It still would not have made it a classic but I can take " Baby If Youll Give Me All Your Love" and its "pounds and pounds of chocolate candy" over Golden Coins rug enhancing any day.

In a strange way the HS album is one that I have played more in recent years than I ever did back in the 80's and I think that is due to lack of over familiarity. Maybe the ballads work better for me now than they did when I was a kid plus the DF release finally made the soundtrack sound better than the UK vinyl that sounded very flat.

Its a shame also that one of the earlier takes of the title track was not used or spliced in as I agree he sounds flat on the master on the "Gonna travel" intro.
May have been asked on here before but is there any info on whether any of the songwriters actually came up with a song/demo for a track actually called Harum Scarum ??

14 january 1965 – songs submitted for the movie “In my harem”
title changed into:
24 february 1965 – Harem holiday
1 march 1965 – Harum scarum
8 march 1965 – Harem holiday
14 march 1965 – Harum scarum

15-01-65 – temporary complete screenplay written by Gerald Drayson Adams – title In my harem – the girls from Bagdad (120 pages)

15-01-65 – temporary complete screenplay written by Gerald Drayson Adams with changes till 20 january 1965 - title In my harem (129 pages)

Harem scarum - written by Herb Miller & Jerry Salomon – publisher La Forge Pub. Co - copyright 23-11-64.
I don't have any information about a link with the movie.

Back to Golden coins
Selected for song spot # 7 track 2408-1

Golden coins (Giant-Baum-Kaye)
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Kismet (Tepper-Bennett)
or
To be in love with you (Pomus-Andriani) = finally rejected
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Please don’t stop lovin’ me (Byers) = recorded later on for the movie Frankie and Johnny


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deep in the wilderness no doubt...but i have come to enjoy both the album and movie...a guilty pleasure for me as well.
weirdest damn thing he ever recorded but i've come to like it.
same with the clambake album and easy come easy go soundtrack.


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favorite trax for me...animal instinct,hey little girl,shake that tamborine,harem holiday,so close yet so far from paradise.
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Christopher Brown wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:30 am
Per a reader/contributor request.

Musically, the lyrics are trite and simple, but being one of the first albums I owned way back in the late sixties (a gift from a friend of the mono version), I have a guilty pleasure for this and several other tracks on the album. I measure the quality of a song and performance by my willingness to let it play in the car or at the house if I have a guest with me (family doesn’t count – they get it all). There’s not a song that would be on a disc / USB that I’d play for a guest from this album.

The sheet music is unusual (see below), in that the first two lines, and the second two lines share the same notes and chords, and are written with a repeat frame. Interesting.

In Elvis Monthly Issue No. 72, a review of this song reads as follows: “Elvis the Sheik? Here Elvis sings an Eastern-type ballad once again in a crooning voice to the backing of mandolins. El’s voice, as ever, excels on the deep fruity tones and the way he slides over the extra-specially sentimental lyric is guaranteed to make all El fan’s blood run cold. If your mind is as distorted as mine you will see visions of camels and coloured rugs before your eyes when listening to this track! Listen out especially for that fabulous soft roll of drums.” NOTE: I’m not sure what ‘fruity tones’ are.

The overall opinion of the reviewer of the album in this issue was “… one of the most fascinating LP’s Elvis has made (he had not seen the film), though not his best by a long chalk.” Fair enough.

This issue also has an article about the film, asking “Is this the most spectacular El film ever?” The contributor thinks so. I, very regrettably, took a friend to see this in 1970 when Elvis’ films were being shown as Saturday afternoon filler, and as the film ran, I sank further and further into my seat. I don’t recall seeing this since I was nine when it first played at the theatre, and liked it then. My opinion changed that afternoon, and has sunk further as I lament what Elvis choose to do.

My look at the album:

HAREM HOLIDAY starts off with a bum note and goes downhill. One of, if not the worst, title tracks (in Europe anyhow).

MY DESERT SERENADE is okay, Elvis singing well, though the lyrics are poor.

GO EAST – YOUNG MAN is a poor song, but Elvis sings it so well, and it’s kinda fun, I don’t mind it.

MIRAGE and KISMET are similar and both are well-liked by me.

SHAKE THAT TAMBOURINE the reviewer found in the same style as DO THE CLAM – so that can’t be good. Tell the guy at the ’68 recordings NOT to shake that tambourine. Okay.

HEY LITTLE GIRL is (one of) the most cringeworthy songs performed in an Elvis movie. Just picture the scene. Listen to the lyrics. Case closed.

SO CLOSE, YET SO FAR is one of the better tracks on the album, but the bar is low, though I do appreciate Elvis’ vocal efforts.

The two bonus songs *ANIMAL INSTINCT” and “WISDOM OF THE AGES” are ‘weird,’ do seem to fit with the other songs on this album, and I do enjoy them.

An essential read I have had since the early 1980s is “Studies in Modern Music – Elvis Presley” by Robert Matthew-Walker. His review of the film was “Presley’s credibility took a sharp downward turn. Almost all of the songs in this film are mediocre, and scarcely bear serious attention.”

Later he writes “with ‘Golden Coins’ we touch rock bottom.” I would say others deserve that recognition, but perhaps we’re just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

An album I listen to from time to time, it’s quickly over, and I like Elvis' voice – but totally wasted with this material in 1965!
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On my playlist I cut out Harem Holiday, Shake That Tambourine and Hey Little Girl and kept the rest of the album. It works, not great songs, but with a rather consistent atmosphere, which I find appealing.

To my ears, this was the first recording session that you can hear he is uninspired. He does not give 100 % and is not quite as precise on the pitch as before.



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Well, if I may, I take the DF mixes of this album. And there are at least, to me, a few tracks I can lend my ear to: Kismet, Shake That Tambourine, Hey Little Girl, Golden Coins, So Close Yet So Far From Paradise, Animal Instinct and Wisdom Of The Ages....(So far from the rock'n roll king we once knew..)


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Perhaps it is interesting to know:

The song Let yourself go (Byers) was selected for songspot # 2 but replaced by track 2403-1 Animal instinct (Giant- Baum-Kaye). Finally the scene with Animal instinct was cut from the movie.
Let yourself go was used later on for the movie Speedway.

The way for a song selection for movies is hard to follow.

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Selected for spot # 8

Wisdom of the ages (Giant-Baum-Kaye) – track 2409-1 recorded but finally cut from movie
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Wisdom of the ages (Fuller-Ross) = rejected.


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I dont care what people say, i LOVE it, love the whole LP, it was the really 1st one that started my whole vinyl collection, great memories
The songs on this soundtrack have an eastern flavour, its DIFFERENT from what elvis did by far, i love the romantic flavour in the songs
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the music behind the lyrics is pretty cool.
love the sound of the soundtrack album.
i even like the cover...specially the back cover.
movie might have been better if animated.


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Ah yeah, one of the Elvis albums we’re told we shouldn’t like by those who know better. I enjoy it.



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egilj wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:55 pm
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To my ears, this was the first recording session that you can hear he is uninspired. He does not give 100 % and is not quite as precise on the pitch as before.

Good observation. And imagine the musicians recording the music for this session. Among them: Scotty Moore, D.J. Fontana, Floyd Cramer, The Jordanaires, Grady Martin, Charlie McCoy, etc. The possibilities…

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Baby if you’ll give me all of your love
According to the site of Keith Flynn the song was submitted for the movie but not used. Later on recorded for Double trouble.

In the song selection(s) for Harum scarum are mentioned a lot of rejected demo versions but this song is not mentioned. Is there any other information available about selection for Harem scarum?



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egilj wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:55 pm
To my ears, this was the first recording session that you can hear he is uninspired. He does not give 100 % and is not quite as precise on the pitch as before.
To me, that would be during the "Girl Happy" sessions.


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bajo wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:10 pm
Well, if I may, I take the DF mixes of this album. And there are at least, to me, a few tracks I can lend my ear to: Kismet, Shake That Tambourine, Hey Little Girl, Golden Coins, So Close Yet So Far From Paradise, Animal Instinct and Wisdom Of The Ages....(So far from the rock'n roll king we once knew..)
I really like those DF remixes. The great Grady Martin's guitar solo and Floyd Cramer's rocking piano on Hey Little Girl is fun to listen to.



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tedjackson wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 5:36 pm
bajo wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:10 pm
Well, if I may, I take the DF mixes of this album. And there are at least, to me, a few tracks I can lend my ear to: Kismet, Shake That Tambourine, Hey Little Girl, Golden Coins, So Close Yet So Far From Paradise, Animal Instinct and Wisdom Of The Ages....(So far from the rock'n roll king we once knew..)
I really like those DF remixes. The great Grady Martin's guitar solo and Floyd Cramer's rocking piano on Hey Little Girl is fun to listen to.
I kinda like the guitar work on Shake That Tambourine too!


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The bonus tracks are my favorites (DF mix).


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Acetate with 9 songs for the movie Harem holiday;
Recorded 11 songs for the movie and 9 songs to be used; Mirage and My desert serenade should be omitted.
However at the end Animal instinct and Wisdom of the ages are cut.


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It's funny, I always thought those two bonus songs really fit on this album, unlike other bonus songs on soundtracks that often seemed out of place.


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Christopher Brown wrote:
Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:59 pm
It's funny, I always thought those two bonus songs really fit on this album, unlike other bonus songs on soundtracks that often seemed out of place.
They were recorded for the movie, but not used! That's why they fit so well to fill the album! As with Sand Castles on the PSA album. The best track on that album along with This Is My Heaven!


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bajo wrote:
Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:18 pm
Christopher Brown wrote:
Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:59 pm
It's funny, I always thought those two bonus songs really fit on this album, unlike other bonus songs on soundtracks that often seemed out of place.
They were recorded for the movie, but not used! That's why they fit so well to fill the album! As with Sand Castles on the PSA album. The best track on that album along with This Is My Heaven!
In the revised final product information is mentioned "Sand Castles" is sung on the beach at dawn with Jan (Donna Butterworth). It must be a recorded overdub with Donna Butterworth on the track.
The scene was finally cut from the movie.

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