FTD Viva Las Vegas 3 cd box set confirmed!!!!.

[davide]

Quite a statement. Please tell us all who out there right now is more capable and meticulous, not to mention experienced with the Presley recording history and legacy, than the current gentlemen who have been involved for more than two decades?

If the Internet existed in 1985, you'd have said exactly the same thing about Gregg Geller.

If you cannot answer a direct question, your statement isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Care to try again?

It would be pretty weird for FTD to release ''The Complete Viva Las Vegas sessions'' without having the complete viva las vegas sessions.

I agree! I´m sure that almost everything that is displayed on Keith´s recording website regarding Viva Las Vegas Sessions will be included. If not, they wouldn´t have called it the "Complete Sessions"

P.S: And if any interesting demo song is available, it will be included as well, they did it before!

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At this time there is no FTD entitled The Complete Viva Las Vegas Sessions.

It is certain that "almost everything that is displayed on Keith´s recording website regarding Viva Las Vegas Sessions" will NOT be included in such a release, for reasons both aesthetic and practical.

To my knowledge there are no related songwriter demos in the archives, nor would they likely be part of a release if they did have some.

Inclusion in the FTD family of songwriter demos are very rare, and very specific to the project. In 19 years and 173 titles, just two include songwriter demos, about 1% of all the CDs under the label.

https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/writingfortheking.htm
https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/kingcreoleclassic.htm

Don't forget the version included with my book
https://elvisoncd.com/frame.htm?https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/writingfortheking.htm
- which makes three releases..correct? and included the following:
What A wonderful Life (songwriter demo)
This Is Life (songwriter demo)


Thanks
Davide

[JamieAKelley]

I doubt we'd get the demos in a 3-CD Viva set, but it'd certainly be a welcome inclusion for a complete session picture. Plus, I'm not sure if there'd be room for the demos on a 3-CD set. Maybe a few of the songs that didn't make the cut, but most likely not the whole soundtrack demos.

I'd love to see that, with any/all paperwork included in the package - they can zerox them if they like, it'd just be nice to have them.

Either way, I hope Ernst is serious about doing sessions, because it'd be great to have. And the "Kid Galahad" sessions badly need re-releasing, too - if for no other reason than to finally have good mixes of the unedited masters (I'm not a fan of the echo/pan on the "Double Features" mixes on that album at all, and they've reused them twice!)

[Tornado]

I have to say that this post is actually as clear as mud to read, but from what I can gather from it, it appears that you are disappointed because I didn't answer a question I couldn't possibly know the answer to, and that I have now lost all credibility because I don't actually know exactly what RCA have in their vaults.

Wow!

Keith

All this discussion on VLV leaves me in more confusion than before. And I think it's because we are all missing a capital point here. How do we KNOW what's written on Keith's site is existing physically in the archives and not merely on a paper work?. And I'm disapointed at Keith becasue he never really answer that simple question. And as long as we don't get a clear statement from him on that issue, we're only blindly speculating. Sure a lot of what is on his site is accurate. But we need evidences. I had assumed that if there is an outtakes number,, labelled BD, FS LFS or complete what the listing shows means it is actually phyisically on tape in the archives. I'm nost so sure anymore. Are we to believe that these outtakes are only presumabably in the archives and has yet to be confirmed by Ernst? We don't like to be disapointed or fooled. So am asking the question to you Keith. Do Sony, has recovered all the session tapes reels of VLV? Clear and simple. And what's wriiten on your site corresponds to what Sony has in archives. Do you actully know or you don't. Your credibility depends on it. If you can't answer that, we will read you website with more caution but we will need some kind of rational explanation, why you can't be certain. Tell us why you can't certified their existence then. Ernst doesn't want to say or what? What's the problem? We are not talking national security here, just good old music folks. When not sure if it is in archive, a note should be attached saying so. And we could assume that the rest is really in the archives.Naturally, Ernst, above all, should speak up and put to rest rumours and clarify uncertainties. He did that in the past. And I know he can,t do that everytime a weirdo thinks he found the Holy Graal, Or course, in the beginning ,I understand he had to be discreet on the matter because cookoos were roaming the Elvis world with too many fantasies and fake news even sent him on false adresses. But today, it's about time we get the true information. Even the Vatican is more transparent and opens its archives for the serious searchers. We are mature fans and simply want to know the facts, and btw spend our money wisely.

Clear as mud? Bad faith prevais here it seems. "a question I couldn't possibly know the answer to", means to me that in fact what you wrote on your website is only suppositions because Ernst never confirmed you listings. Well I have my answerl Thanks. Seems neither Ernst or you can't answer simple yes and no question. Let it be then.

[elvis-fan]

Plus there are still lots of unreleased outtakes & they should include all the Ann Margret songs too!. Hopefully they include the alternate demo of "Appreciation"!
..

Mike is that supposed to be Ann Margret or is it just a demo of the song? If it's supposed to be Ann, it sure doesn't sound like her... maybe it's a speed issue...

It's a songwriter demo, it doesn't exist on tape, it's not in the possession of the FTD team and, thus, will not be slated on any official title.

Thanks for clarifying, John.

[drjohncarpenter]

Don't forget the version included with my book
https://elvisoncd.com/frame.htm?https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/writingfortheking.htm
- which makes three releases..correct? and included the following:
What A wonderful Life (songwriter demo)
This Is Life (songwriter demo)

Oops, forgot about that one.

So, in 19 years there have been three FTD releases out of 173 which include songwriter demos, in 2006, 2013 and 2015.

https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/writingfortheking.htm
https://elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/sumerof61.htm
https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/kingcreoleclassic.htm

About 2% of all the CDs issued under the label.

[musiclover1979]

And a great book it was.
On a wonderful movie!

[drjohncarpenter]

And a great book it was.
On a wonderful movie!

All the FTD books crafted by davide are essential for the serious fan.

[Mike Windgren]

Hi there!! .

Plus there are still lots of unreleased outtakes & they should include all the Ann Margret songs too!. Hopefully they include the alternate demo of "Appreciation"!

..

Mike is that supposed to be Ann Margret or is it just a demo of the song? If it's supposed to be Ann, it sure doesn't sound like her... maybe it's a speed issue...

It's a songwriter demo, it doesn't exist on tape, it's not in the possession of the FTD team and, thus, will not be slated on any official title.

So you´re saying that the other three demos were used on FTD releases because they were taken from tapes? . Bye for now .

[Stevenson]

Don't forget the version included with my book
https://elvisoncd.com/frame.htm?https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/writingfortheking.htm
- which makes three releases..correct? and included the following:
What A wonderful Life (songwriter demo)
This Is Life (songwriter demo)

Oops, forgot about that one.

So, in 19 years there have been three FTD releases out of 173 which include songwriter demos, in 2006, 2013 and 2015.

https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/writingfortheking.htm
https://elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/sumerof61.htm
https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/kingcreoleclassic.htm

About 2% of all the CDs issued under the label.

Don't mean to be picky, but there are other FTD releases containing demo versions:

Heartbreak Hotel; Paralyzed; I'm Counting On You (Best Of British... 1)
Teddy Bear; Don't Ask Me Why; Trouble; Hard Headed Woman; Wear My Ring Around Your Neck (Best Of British... 2)
Pocketful Of Rainbows; I Gotta Know (Best Of British... 3)
I Need Your Love Tonight (snippet, though) (GR 2)

[drjohncarpenter]

It's a songwriter demo, it doesn't exist on tape, it's not in the possession of the FTD team and, thus, will not be slated on any official title.

So you´re saying that the other three demos were used on FTD releases because they were taken from tapes?

As may be seen, I'm speaking of the songwriter demo you posted, and the reasons why it will not be chosen for an FTD title on "Viva Las Vegas."

Oops, forgot about that one.

So, in 19 years there have been three FTD releases out of 173 which include songwriter demos, in 2006, 2013 and 2015.

https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/writingfortheking.htm
https://elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/sumerof61.htm
https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/kingcreoleclassic.htm

About 2% of all the CDs issued under the label.

Don't mean to be picky, but there are other FTD releases containing demo versions:

Heartbreak Hotel; Paralyzed; I'm Counting On You (Best Of British... 1)
Teddy Bear; Don't Ask Me Why; Trouble; Hard Headed Woman; Wear My Ring Around Your Neck (Best Of British... 2)
Pocketful Of Rainbows; I Gotta Know (Best Of British... 3)
I Need Your Love Tonight (snippet, though) (GR 2)

Virtually all of those examples are on the second disc of 2006's Writing For The King.

Again, the point is that songwriter demos do not appear on 98% of the releases we have from Follow That Dream.

I'm sure most understand the main reason why this is the case. And for those who cannot, that's unfortunate.

[emjel]

Ernst is a great guy, the best actually, and what he has done for Elvis' legacy since he took charge of his catalogue will never be outdone. OK, mistakes happen on certain releases, this is human nature, it always happens, and it is always going to happen, but he is the person we want in charge of this, believe me.

There will always be a more capable and meticulous producer(s) out there, who will come along with a better vision and more creative understanding of how best to present Presley's body of work.

That really is quite a sweeping statement and a real slap in the face for those who currently run the FTD catalogue. How can you be so sure that there will be someone better. With a steadily reducing market, is it likely that Sony or whoever might hold the catalogue in the future would bother to employ someone like Ernst to run the catalogue - it is doubtful there will actually be an FTD Label for any new person to pick up the reigns once Ernst calls it a day anyhow.

[clambake1967]

I am totally in favor of the release of the complete totality of all the Elvis studio recording sessions in the archives. Chronologically and without a single second removed.
It is simply historical musical documentation of maximum importance. Also with the best sound possible.
It is nothing short of regrettable the intolerance of those who already have dozens of editions of FTD and for that reason refuses to such a great project.

[Keith]

Are you kidding me Mike?

Nowhere in my statement do I say there is someone better than Ernst, please put on your glasses and re-read what I say!

I actually say that there is no one better than Ernst! Jeez!

Keith

PS. Did you used to be so cynical when you were a Branch Leader for the Official Elvis Presley Fan Club Of Great Britain in the 1960s?

Keith

Ernst is a great guy, the best actually, and what he has done for Elvis' legacy since he took charge of his catalogue will never be outdone. OK, mistakes happen on certain releases, this is human nature, it always happens, and it is always going to happen, but he is the person we want in charge of this, believe me.

There will always be a more capable and meticulous producer(s) out there, who will come along with a better vision and more creative understanding of how best to present Presley's body of work.

That really is quite a sweeping statement and a real slap in the face for those who currently run the FTD catalogue. How can you be so sure that there will be someone better. With a steadily reducing market, is it likely that Sony or whoever might hold the catalogue in the future would bother to employ someone like Ernst to run the catalogue - it is doubtful there will actually be an FTD Label for any new person to pick up the reigns once Ernst calls it a day anyhow.

[emjel]

Are you kidding me Mike?

Nowhere in my statement do I say there is someone better than Ernst, please put on your glasses and re-read what I say!

I actually say that there is no one better than Ernst! Jeez!

Keith

PS. Did you used to be so cynical when you were a Branch Leader for the Official Elvis Presley Fan Club Of Great Britain in the 1960s?

Keith

Ernst is a great guy, the best actually, and what he has done for Elvis' legacy since he took charge of his catalogue will never be outdone. OK, mistakes happen on certain releases, this is human nature, it always happens, and it is always going to happen, but he is the person we want in charge of this, believe me.

There will always be a more capable and meticulous producer(s) out there, who will come along with a better vision and more creative understanding of how best to present Presley's body of work.

That really is quite a sweeping statement and a real slap in the face for those who currently run the FTD catalogue. How can you be so sure that there will be someone better. With a steadily reducing market, is it likely that Sony or whoever might hold the catalogue in the future would bother to employ someone like Ernst to run the catalogue - it is doubtful there will actually be an FTD Label for any new person to pick up the reigns once Ernst calls it a day anyhow.

Keith - I think if you read my comment, it was in response to "elvisalisellers" and not to your comment which I would indeed agree with because I suggested to "elvisalisellers" that his comment was a slap in the face to those who currently run FTD, so I was agreeing with you. . It was "elvisalisellers" who was responding or contradicting your comment and saying that there will always be someone better coming along.

[Keith]

Sorry Mike, I completely missed that! I thought you were (another) trying to put me down. I apologise.

Please accept my apology

Kind regards

Keith

Are you kidding me Mike?

Nowhere in my statement do I say there is someone better than Ernst, please put on your glasses and re-read what I say!

I actually say that there is no one better than Ernst! Jeez!

Keith

PS. Did you used to be so cynical when you were a Branch Leader for the Official Elvis Presley Fan Club Of Great Britain in the 1960s?

Keith

Ernst is a great guy, the best actually, and what he has done for Elvis' legacy since he took charge of his catalogue will never be outdone. OK, mistakes happen on certain releases, this is human nature, it always happens, and it is always going to happen, but he is the person we want in charge of this, believe me.

There will always be a more capable and meticulous producer(s) out there, who will come along with a better vision and more creative understanding of how best to present Presley's body of work.

That really is quite a sweeping statement and a real slap in the face for those who currently run the FTD catalogue. How can you be so sure that there will be someone better. With a steadily reducing market, is it likely that Sony or whoever might hold the catalogue in the future would bother to employ someone like Ernst to run the catalogue - it is doubtful there will actually be an FTD Label for any new person to pick up the reigns once Ernst calls it a day anyhow.

Keith - I think if you read my comment, it was in response to "elvisalisellers" and not to your comment which I would indeed agree with. It was "elvisalisellers" who was responding or contradicting your comment.

[emjel]

Sorry Mike, I completely missed that! I thought you were (another) trying to put me down. I apologise.

Please accept my apology

Kind regards

Keith

Are you kidding me Mike?

Nowhere in my statement do I say there is someone better than Ernst, please put on your glasses and re-read what I say!

I actually say that there is no one better than Ernst! Jeez!

Keith

PS. Did you used to be so cynical when you were a Branch Leader for the Official Elvis Presley Fan Club Of Great Britain in the 1960s?

Keith

Ernst is a great guy, the best actually, and what he has done for Elvis' legacy since he took charge of his catalogue will never be outdone. OK, mistakes happen on certain releases, this is human nature, it always happens, and it is always going to happen, but he is the person we want in charge of this, believe me.

There will always be a more capable and meticulous producer(s) out there, who will come along with a better vision and more creative understanding of how best to present Presley's body of work.

That really is quite a sweeping statement and a real slap in the face for those who currently run the FTD catalogue. How can you be so sure that there will be someone better. With a steadily reducing market, is it likely that Sony or whoever might hold the catalogue in the future would bother to employ someone like Ernst to run the catalogue - it is doubtful there will actually be an FTD Label for any new person to pick up the reigns once Ernst calls it a day anyhow.

Keith - I think if you read my comment, it was in response to "elvisalisellers" and not to your comment which I would indeed agree with. It was "elvisalisellers" who was responding or contradicting your comment.

Apology accepted Keith.

[Mike Windgren]

Hi there!! .

It's a songwriter demo, it doesn't exist on tape, it's not in the possession of the FTD team and, thus, will not be slated on any official title.

So you´re saying that the other three demos were used on FTD releases because they were taken from tapes?

As may be seen, I'm speaking of the songwriter demo you posted, and the reasons why it will not be chosen for an FTD title on "Viva Las Vegas."

Let me try it again....Are the demos that FTD has included on several cds taken from tapes? . Bye for now .

[MaestroDavros]

Hi there!! .

It's a songwriter demo, it doesn't exist on tape, it's not in the possession of the FTD team and, thus, will not be slated on any official title.

So you´re saying that the other three demos were used on FTD releases because they were taken from tapes?

As may be seen, I'm speaking of the songwriter demo you posted, and the reasons why it will not be chosen for an FTD title on "Viva Las Vegas."

Let me try it again....Are the demos that FTD has included on several cds taken from tapes? . Bye for now .

No, they're from acetates. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they were all recorded "direct-to-disc" and bypassed tape entirely due to convenience (songwriter demos were not originally intended for release, and tape was/is expensive, so you wouldn't need to store it in that form).

Also why are we even arguing over whether FTD have demos in their possession in the first place? A record company does not need to physically possess something in order for it to be used (for instance, some of the material on the A Boy From Tupelo set). They can easily make a request for a copy, and I do have the impression that while Sony/FTD would happily take possession of all those acetates, they are equally fine with collectors providing them with transfers of the demos within their collection. So, yes, FTD could if they really wanted to use as many demos as they have access to, not just those (if any; I do not know everything that they possess) that they physically possess.

That said, I don't think that the upcoming VLV set will include any demos, as the focus is on the sessions, but I'm not against the idea either. They can be a fun listen.

[drjohncarpenter]

No, they're from acetates. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they were all recorded "direct-to-disc" and bypassed tape entirely due to convenience (songwriter demos were not originally intended for release, and tape was/is expensive, so you wouldn't need to store it in that form).

Also why are we even arguing over whether FTD have demos in their possession in the first place? A record company does not need to physically possess something in order for it to be used (for instance, some of the material on the A Boy From Tupelo set). They can easily make a request for a copy, and I do have the impression that while Sony/FTD would happily take possession of all those acetates, they are equally fine with collectors providing them with transfers of the demos within their collection. So, yes, FTD could if they really wanted to use as many demos as they have access to, not just those (if any; I do not know everything that they possess) that they physically possess.

That said, I don't think that the upcoming VLV set will include any demos, as the focus is on the sessions, but I'm not against the idea either. They can be a fun listen.

Right, but there are other factors that go into whether such an acetate is acquired for restoration and official release.

As I have pointed out, 98% of the 173 FTD titles do not include songwriter demos. Surely you understand the difference between those, and the acetates included on A Boy From Tupelo.

[See See Rider]

I have had these books since they were released and have not opened them yet.

[Tornado]

In all fairness, I must say that I can appreciate and even admire Keith efforts for his website. And thank him for a thing he did for the release of Summer 61. Remixing a beautiful version of A Whistling Tune. A delight for me.. I want to avoid bitterness on this forum. No need to quarrel endlessly.

[Deleted User 1099]

I have received confirmation from a very reliable source within the FTD label that the next release is a massive 13-CD box set called For 1976 Concert Lovers Only. Contents:

CD 1: March 22
CD 2: April 27
CD 3 & 4: May 9, CS (audience recording)
CD 5: May 30, AS
CD 6: June 30
CD 7: August 1
CD 8: September 8
CD 9: October 19
CD 10: November 28
CD 11: December 2, OS (audience recording)
CD 12 & 13: December 31 (new and better source, audience recording in stunning quality)

All concerts are taken from soundboards, except where otherwise noted.

[Elvis2000]

I have received confirmation from a very reliable source within the FTD label that the next release is a massive 13-CD box set called For 1976 Concert Lovers Only. Contents:

CD 1: March 22
CD 2: April 27
CD 3 & 4: May 9, CS (audience recording)
CD 5: May 30, AS
CD 6: June 30
CD 7: August 1
CD 8: September 8
CD 9: October 19
CD 10: November 28
CD 11: December 2, OS (audience recording)
CD 12 & 13: December 31 (new and better source, audience recording in stunning quality)

All concerts are taken from soundboards, except where otherwise noted.

I would love this release very much. Maybe, they could release a 55 CD box set covering the entirety of 1977 after.

[DENBOW]

I have received confirmation from a very reliable source within the FTD label that the next release is a massive 13-CD box set called For 1976 Concert Lovers Only. Contents:

CD 1: March 22
CD 2: April 27
CD 3 & 4: May 9, CS (audience recording)
CD 5: May 30, AS
CD 6: June 30
CD 7: August 1
CD 8: September 8
CD 9: October 19
CD 10: November 28
CD 11: December 2, OS (audience recording)
CD 12 & 13: December 31 (new and better source, audience recording in stunning quality)

All concerts are taken from soundboards, except where otherwise noted.

you must be joking not all that lot as it will be about £300 plus post

[When In Rome]

I have received confirmation from a very reliable source within the FTD label that the next release is a massive 13-CD box set called For 1976 Concert Lovers Only. Contents:

CD 1: March 22
CD 2: April 27
CD 3 & 4: May 9, CS (audience recording)
CD 5: May 30, AS
CD 6: June 30
CD 7: August 1
CD 8: September 8
CD 9: October 19
CD 10: November 28
CD 11: December 2, OS (audience recording)
CD 12 & 13: December 31 (new and better source, audience recording in stunning quality)

All concerts are taken from soundboards, except where otherwise noted.

Why only 13 discs? What a rip-off! Why is [*] not included? What about [*] from [*] how come that was released and [*] isn't? Etc. Repeat till fade...

[*] insert concert venue, song, date of your choice here. Hours of fun guaranteed!