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IMO, they should release a two disc set of A Legendary Performer Volumes 1 & 2. The first two volumes were released during Elvis' lifetime. I would definitely buy it.

Afterwards, they can then release Volumes 3 & 4 in another two disc package.

On second thought, you could probably fit Volumes 1 & 2 on one disc, and then Volumes 3 & 4 on a second disc.


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Back to the original question. It is now July so no release this month but maybe the end of August? :smt006



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steve in SC on Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:32 pm wrote:Back to the original question. It is now July so no release this month but maybe the end of August? :smt006
Why no release this month?..It's only 1st of july and It's already been said we will get July Releases (end of july at that).


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What is the rush. It has only been just over a month since the May releases. The quicker things get released, the quicker it all ends.


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It will be nice if FTD would release From Memphis To Vegas/From Vegas to Memphis, CD1, Back In Memphis undubbed masters, plus remaining out takes or rough mix from the sessions, or unedited masters. CD 2, one unreleased concert from 1969 or the concert from Aug 24, MS or Aug 25, DS.

But probably the next FTD will be a soundboard.

There are few titles to be covered by FTD, and some of them are compilations, and I don't know if there are enough material to be release:

- From Memphis To Vegas/ From Vegas to Memphis
- Almost In Love
- Let's Be Friends
- Madison Square Garden
- Aloha From Hawaii
- Welcome To My World (different mix in some tracks)
- Golden Records vol 5
- I Was The One (80's LP), plus original tracks or best takes.

It will be interesting if someday FTD would release Aloha Rehearsal Show in Vinyl.



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dougkapp on Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:23 pm wrote:It will be nice if FTD would release From Memphis To Vegas/From Vegas to Memphis, CD1, Back In Memphis undubbed masters, plus remaining out takes or rough mix from the sessions, or unedited masters. CD 2, one unreleased concert from 1969 or the concert from Aug 24, MS or Aug 25, DS.

But probably the next FTD will be a soundboard.

There are few titles to be covered by FTD, and some of them are compilations, and I don't know if there are enough material to be release:

- From Memphis To Vegas/ From Vegas to Memphis
- Almost In Love
- Let's Be Friends
- Madison Square Garden
- Aloha From Hawaii
- Welcome To My World (different mix in some tracks)
- Golden Records vol 5
- I Was The One (80's LP), plus original tracks or best takes.

It will be interesting if someday FTD would release Aloha Rehearsal Show in Vinyl.
Why would you want From Memphis To Vegas/ From Vegas to Memphis when we have them already, albeit in individual albums to allow for additional tracks. Let's Be Friends has already been released, albeit in the Change of Habit book.


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emjel on Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:32 pm wrote:
dougkapp on Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:23 pm wrote:It will be nice if FTD would release From Memphis To Vegas/From Vegas to Memphis, CD1, Back In Memphis undubbed masters, plus remaining out takes or rough mix from the sessions, or unedited masters. CD 2, one unreleased concert from 1969 or the concert from Aug 24, MS or Aug 25, DS.

But probably the next FTD will be a soundboard.

There are few titles to be covered by FTD, and some of them are compilations, and I don't know if there are enough material to be release:

- From Memphis To Vegas/ From Vegas to Memphis
- Almost In Love
- Let's Be Friends
- Madison Square Garden
- Aloha From Hawaii
- Welcome To My World (different mix in some tracks)
- Golden Records vol 5
- I Was The One (80's LP), plus original tracks or best takes.

It will be interesting if someday FTD would release Aloha Rehearsal Show in Vinyl.
Why would you want From Memphis To Vegas/ From Vegas to Memphis when we have them already, albeit in individual albums to allow for additional tracks. Let's Be Friends has already been released, albeit in the Change of Habit book.
Read my post again. I mean: new tracks, new mixes, new takes, new show.




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All this discussion on VLV leaves me in more confusion than before. And I think it's because we are all missing a capital point here. How do we KNOW what's written on Keith's site is existing physically in the archives and not merely on a paper work?. And I'm disapointed at Keith becasue he never really answer that simple question. And as long as we don't get a clear statement from him on that issue, we're only blindly speculating. Sure a lot of what is on his site is accurate. But we need evidences. I had assumed that if there is an outtakes number,, labelled BD, FS LFS or complete what the listing shows means it is actually phyisically on tape in the archives. I'm nost so sure anymore. Are we to believe that these outtakes are only presumabably in the archives and has yet to be confirmed by Ernst? We don't like to be disapointed or fooled. So am asking the question to you Keith. Do Sony, has recovered all the session tapes reels of VLV? Clear and simple. And what's wriiten on your site corresponds to what Sony has in archives. Do you actully know or you don't. Your credibility depends on it. If you can't answer that, we will read you website with more caution but we will need some kind of rational explanation, why you can't be certain. Tell us why you can't certified their existence then. Ernst doesn't want to say or what? What's the problem? We are not talking national security here, just good old music folks. When not sure if it is in archive, a note should be attached saying so. And we could assume that the rest is really in the archives.Naturally, Ernst, above all, should speak up and put to rest rumours and clarify uncertainties. He did that in the past. And I know he can,t do that everytime a weirdo thinks he found the Holy Graal, Or course, in the beginning ,I understand he had to be discreet on the matter because cookoos were roaming the Elvis world with too many fantasies and fake news even sent him on false adresses. But today, it's about time we get the true information. Even the Vatican is more transparent and opens its archives for the serious searchers. We are mature fans and simply want to know the facts, and btw spend our money wisely.




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not to forget the LP[ for LP fans only] as it will be the last from the 50s :smt006 :smt007



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I have to say that this post is actually as clear as mud to read, but from what I can gather from it, it appears that you are disappointed because I didn't answer a question I couldn't possibly know the answer to, and that I have now lost all credibility because I don't actually know exactly what RCA have in their vaults.

Wow!

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Tornado on Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:31 pm wrote:All this discussion on VLV leaves me in more confusion than before. And I think it's because we are all missing a capital point here. How do we KNOW what's written on Keith's site is existing physically in the archives and not merely on a paper work?. And I'm disapointed at Keith becasue he never really answer that simple question. And as long as we don't get a clear statement from him on that issue, we're only blindly speculating. Sure a lot of what is on his site is accurate. But we need evidences. I had assumed that if there is an outtakes number,, labelled BD, FS LFS or complete what the listing shows means it is actually phyisically on tape in the archives. I'm nost so sure anymore. Are we to believe that these outtakes are only presumabably in the archives and has yet to be confirmed by Ernst? We don't like to be disapointed or fooled. So am asking the question to you Keith. Do Sony, has recovered all the session tapes reels of VLV? Clear and simple. And what's wriiten on your site corresponds to what Sony has in archives. Do you actully know or you don't. Your credibility depends on it. If you can't answer that, we will read you website with more caution but we will need some kind of rational explanation, why you can't be certain. Tell us why you can't certified their existence then. Ernst doesn't want to say or what? What's the problem? We are not talking national security here, just good old music folks. When not sure if it is in archive, a note should be attached saying so. And we could assume that the rest is really in the archives.Naturally, Ernst, above all, should speak up and put to rest rumours and clarify uncertainties. He did that in the past. And I know he can,t do that everytime a weirdo thinks he found the Holy Graal, Or course, in the beginning ,I understand he had to be discreet on the matter because cookoos were roaming the Elvis world with too many fantasies and fake news even sent him on false adresses. But today, it's about time we get the true information. Even the Vatican is more transparent and opens its archives for the serious searchers. We are mature fans and simply want to know the facts, and btw spend our money wisely.



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dougkapp on Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:26 pm wrote:
emjel on Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:32 pm wrote:
dougkapp on Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:23 pm wrote:It will be nice if FTD would release From Memphis To Vegas/From Vegas to Memphis, CD1, Back In Memphis undubbed masters, plus remaining out takes or rough mix from the sessions, or unedited masters. CD 2, one unreleased concert from 1969 or the concert from Aug 24, MS or Aug 25, DS.

But probably the next FTD will be a soundboard.

There are few titles to be covered by FTD, and some of them are compilations, and I don't know if there are enough material to be release:

- From Memphis To Vegas/ From Vegas to Memphis
- Almost In Love
- Let's Be Friends
- Madison Square Garden
- Aloha From Hawaii
- Welcome To My World (different mix in some tracks)
- Golden Records vol 5
- I Was The One (80's LP), plus original tracks or best takes.

It will be interesting if someday FTD would release Aloha Rehearsal Show in Vinyl.
Why would you want From Memphis To Vegas/ From Vegas to Memphis when we have them already, albeit in individual albums to allow for additional tracks. Let's Be Friends has already been released, albeit in the Change of Habit book.
Read my post again. I mean: new tracks, new mixes, new takes, new show.
Sorry but I cannot see any viability in your suggestion for this double album in the way you suggest and certainly not now with FTDs new thoughts on future releases. You state "It will be nice if FTD would release From Memphis To Vegas/From Vegas to Memphis, CD1". You also have the title at the top of your list. As I said, that title has already been covered in two separate releases to mirror the double album that was split back in 1970. Are you saying you want a remix for the "Live" album part? Then you add "Back In Memphis undubbed masters, plus remaining out takes or rough mix from the sessions, or unedited masters. CD 2". So are you saying that CD2 would be an extension to the "Back In Memphis" part from CD1. FTD have probably already released the best or most interesting stuff from the Memphis sessions. What do you think the demand would be for these kind of releases with tweaked sound. Sure there are fabs who want everything, but are there enough fans to buy yet another "mop up" release. And whilst there are a few unreleased shows from '69, how many more shows from the '69 Vegas engagement or remixed tracks do you think the market can take before FTD are accused of scraping the barrel? Of course if FTD are looking at doing "Complete Sessions" for Elvis' best sessions, it is highly likely that they will do a Complete Memphis sessions 3 CD release, thus negating your desire for a revamped Memphis to Vegas/Vegas To Memphis release.

Regarding your list, how would you propose that FTD should cover the album, Almost In Love. Are there any unreleased tracks available, bearing in mind that the majority of tracks have been covered on recent FTD releases such as Stay Away Joe, Live A Little and The Last Movies with all available outtakes having been used from what I can see. Almost In Love was an okay budget album at the time, but of course, it was the start of every album using a photo that had absolutely no connection with the contents. The UK release was far superior, sleeve wise that is. How do you propose that Let's Be Friends should be done if it has already been done? I think MSG, Aloha and WTMY are the only titles on your list that stand any real chance of being released under the Classic album series. GR5 would be okay had they not done Hits of the 70s and personally, I would prefer them to cover 50 WWGAH and the Volume 2 of that, so long as they were done in their original mono variants. I think one of the main reasons we have not had For LP Fans Only yet is because FTD are struggling to know what bonus material is available to add to it.


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C'mon man, We are just speculating what FTD could release... is not a exact science, you have your opinion, I have mine. I just listed some titles, most of them release in during Elvis' life. FTD released some unbelievable titles, This Is Elvis, Hits of the 70's, are few of them. Some people here sugest the release of Legendary Performer... why? All tracks has been covered in many others releases, and nobody replied nothing. C'mon... C'mon...

A lot of guys here are prainsing FTD because of VLV sessions... but I ask you: is it necessary? How many Fs or BD do we need? C'mon... if there are guys here waiting for boxes with 3 Cds, and a lot of incomplete takes... why can't I expected to be release some titles released in entire Elvis' life? Can I dream or not?

I bought every FTD CD released, bought few books and few vinyls too, but honestly... and be honesty I don't see logical in a released like VLV 3 CD set. If you, or everybody here will be expecting Elvis Is Back Sessions, OK !! I'm in. But VLV... However, that's ok, I respect and see positive things every release.
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dougkapp on July 1st, 2018, 8:36 pm wrote:C'mon man, We are just speculating what FTD could release... is not a exact science, you have your opinion, I have mine. I just listed some titles, most of them release in during Elvis' life. FTD released some unbelievable titles, This Is Elvis, Hits of the 70's, are few of them. Some people here sugest the release of Legendary Performer... why? All tracks has been covered in many others releases, and nobody replied nothing. C'mon... C'mon...
FTD Hits Of The 70´s had no sense to make it available..... :roll:. If FTD releases any of those before mentioned releases like Elvis In Demand etc, I´d love to get one of my first Elvis lp "Elvis Forever 32 Hits" or "Elvis Para Los fans Españoles" on the collectors label too! 8). Bye for now :smt006.

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elvis-fan on Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:34 pm wrote:
Mike Windgren on Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:39 pm wrote:Plus there are still lots of unreleased outtakes & they should include all the Ann Margret songs too!. Hopefully they include the alternate demo of "Appreciation"!

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Mike is that supposed to be Ann Margret or is it just a demo of the song? If it's supposed to be Ann, it sure doesn't sound like her... maybe it's a speed issue...
It's a songwriter demo, it doesn't exist on tape, it's not in the possession of the FTD team and, thus, will not be slated on any official title.




emjel on Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:54 am wrote:
Ken Jensen on Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:12 am wrote:John, if you had actually bothered to read through Keith’s notes, you would have noticed that there are two unreleased outtakes of "Ito Eats" and one of "Rock-A-Hula Baby".
I might be wrong but I think The Doc meant that everything was out there, one way or the other, but not necessarily all via FTD as anything unreleased officially on these two songs are simply false starts, and probably the reason why FTD never bothered with them.
That is absolutely what I meant.

Of course I reviewed the pages before posting the links, and anyone without an agenda doing the same will see that everything is out there, exactly as I wrote. And this has been true for over thirty years in the case of the "Blue Hawaii" sessions. When a normal person listens to the false starts of "Ito Eats" and others that FTD chose to leave alone, the conclusion is not "lost riches" but "good, these are boring anyway."

But some members don't want to have an adult discussion, they prefer to be as obstinate as they are rude and ignorant. Ah, the internet.




Tornado on Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:31 am wrote:All this discussion on VLV leaves me in more confusion than before. And I think it's because we are all missing a capital point here. How do we KNOW what's written on Keith's site is existing physically in the archives and not merely on a paper work?. And I'm disapointed at Keith becasue he never really answer that simple question. And as long as we don't get a clear statement from him on that issue, we're only blindly speculating. Sure a lot of what is on his site is accurate. But we need evidences. I had assumed that if there is an outtakes number,, labelled BD, FS LFS or complete what the listing shows means it is actually phyisically on tape in the archives. I'm nost so sure anymore. Are we to believe that these outtakes are only presumabably in the archives and has yet to be confirmed by Ernst? We don't like to be disapointed or fooled. So am asking the question to you Keith. Do Sony, has recovered all the session tapes reels of VLV? Clear and simple.

As I wrote earlier in this topic, all the original session reels from the 1963 MGM soundtrack sessions have not been recovered.

My understanding regarding the website is that the information is derived from many places: official and and unofficial LP, CD and DVD releases, books by Ernst and JAT, private fan input (audio and documentation), and a great deal from the original Elvis sessions site elvisrecordings.com.

It doesn't mean the site is without merit because the webmaster does not know what Sony or RCA has in their archive, far from it. It's valuable for any serious fan of the man and his music. Just use the information with the above knowledge and you'll be fine.


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Rich_TCB on Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:14 pm wrote:IMO, they should release a two disc set of A Legendary Performer Volumes 1 & 2. The first two volumes were released during Elvis' lifetime. I would definitely buy it.

Afterwards, they can then release Volumes 3 & 4 in another two disc package.

On second thought, you could probably fit Volumes 1 & 2 on one disc, and then Volumes 3 & 4 on a second disc.
I agree legendary performer series and the Sun collection with our UK Starcall cover. And would love FTD to release the two 70s gold records box sets in cd format and vinyl! Mine has totally worn out after 45 years of playing.




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I've always thought that the tapes for I Need Somebody To Lean On are missing and that the one outtake we have is from an acetate. I'll be surprised if we get much more of that song or we'd have gotten it by now. I would likely buy the proposed next FTD of Viva if the masters get a serious sound upgrade.



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stevelecher on Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:57 pm wrote:I've always thought that the tapes for I Need Somebody To Lean On are missing and that the one outtake we have is from an acetate. I'll be surprised if we get much more of that song or we'd have gotten it by now. I would likely buy the proposed next FTD of Viva if the masters get a serious sound upgrade.
The upgrade of the masters came in 2010, and those will likely be a part of any future FTD.


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Keith on Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:42 am wrote:Ernst is a great guy, the best actually, and what he has done for Elvis' legacy since he took charge of his catalogue will never be outdone. OK, mistakes happen on certain releases, this is human nature, it always happens, and it is always going to happen, but he is the person we want in charge of this, believe me.
There will always be a more capable and meticulous producer(s) out there, who will come along with a better vision and more creative understanding of how best to present Presley's body of work.
Not that I expect Jorgensen [or Semon] to voluntarily relinquish their roles anytime soon.




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drjohncarpenter on Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:05 pm wrote:
stevelecher on Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:57 pm wrote:I've always thought that the tapes for I Need Somebody To Lean On are missing and that the one outtake we have is from an acetate. I'll be surprised if we get much more of that song or we'd have gotten it by now. I would likely buy the proposed next FTD of Viva if the masters get a serious sound upgrade.
The upgrade of the masters came in 2010, and those will likely be a part of any future FTD.
Actually it's more likely that they won't use the mixes Vic Anesini made for the 2010 VLV CD (excellent as they are), rather they will most probably remix everything from scratch. Especially since they'll likely have before song banter for the masters this time around, and it is incredibly unlikely that the 2010 mixes have that banter on file because it wasn't needed.



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elvisalisellers on Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:15 pm wrote:There will always be a more capable and meticulous producer(s) out there, who will come along with a better vision and more creative understanding of how best to present Presley's body of work.
Not that I expect Jorgensen [or Semon] to voluntarily relinquish their roles anytime soon.
Quite a statement. Please tell us all who out there right now is more capable and meticulous, not to mention experienced with the Presley recording history and legacy, than the current gentlemen who have been involved for more than two decades?




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drjohncarpenter on Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:05 pm wrote:The upgrade of the masters came in 2010, and those will likely be a part of any future FTD.
Actually it's more likely that they won't use the mixes Vic Anesini made for the 2010 VLV CD (excellent as they are), rather they will most probably remix everything from scratch. Especially since they'll likely have before song banter for the masters this time around, and it is incredibly unlikely that the 2010 mixes have that banter on file because it wasn't needed.
Where in the world are you getting this from? None of what you're saying is based on fact.


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It would be pretty weird for FTD to release ''The Complete Viva Las Vegas sessions'' without having the complete viva las vegas sessions.


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drjohncarpenter on Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:30 pm wrote:
elvisalisellers on Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:15 pm wrote:There will always be a more capable and meticulous producer(s) out there, who will come along with a better vision and more creative understanding of how best to present Presley's body of work.
Not that I expect Jorgensen [or Semon] to voluntarily relinquish their roles anytime soon.
Quite a statement. Please tell us all who out there right now is more capable and meticulous, not to mention experienced with the Presley recording history and legacy, than the current gentlemen...
If the Internet existed in 1985, you'd have said exactly the same thing about Gregg Geller.



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Johnny2523 on July 1st, 2018, 10:47 pm wrote:It would be pretty weird for FTD to release ''The Complete Viva Las Vegas sessions'' without having the complete viva las vegas sessions.
I agree! :wink:. I´m sure that almost everything that is displayed on Keith´s recording website regarding Viva Las Vegas Sessions will be included. If not, they wouldn´t have called it the "Complete Sessions" :shock:. Bye for now :smt006.

P.S: And if any interesting demo song is available, it will be included as well, they did it before! :smt020.

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elvisalisellers on Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:41 pm wrote:
drjohncarpenter on Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:30 pm wrote:Quite a statement. Please tell us all who out there right now is more capable and meticulous, not to mention experienced with the Presley recording history and legacy, than the current gentlemen who have been involved for more than two decades?
If the Internet existed in 1985, you'd have said exactly the same thing about Gregg Geller.
If you cannot answer a direct question, your statement isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Care to try again?




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Johnny2523 on July 1st, 2018, 10:47 pm wrote:It would be pretty weird for FTD to release ''The Complete Viva Las Vegas sessions'' without having the complete viva las vegas sessions.
I agree! I´m sure that almost everything that is displayed on Keith´s recording website regarding Viva Las Vegas Sessions will be included. If not, they wouldn´t have called it the "Complete Sessions"

P.S: And if any interesting demo song is available, it will be included as well, they did it before!
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At this time there is no FTD entitled The Complete Viva Las Vegas Sessions.

It is certain that "almost everything that is displayed on Keith´s recording website regarding Viva Las Vegas Sessions" will NOT be included in such a release, for reasons both aesthetic and practical.

To my knowledge there are no related songwriter demos in the archives, nor would they likely be part of a release if they did have some.

Inclusion in the FTD family of songwriter demos are very rare, and very specific to the project. In 19 years and 173 titles, just two include songwriter demos, about 1% of all the CDs under the label.

https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/writingfortheking.htm
https://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/ftd-label/kingcreoleclassic.htm
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Re: FTD July/August releases?.

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drjohncarpenter on Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:05 pm wrote:
stevelecher on Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:57 pm wrote:I've always thought that the tapes for I Need Somebody To Lean On are missing and that the one outtake we have is from an acetate. I'll be surprised if we get much more of that song or we'd have gotten it by now. I would likely buy the proposed next FTD of Viva if the masters get a serious sound upgrade.
The upgrade of the masters came in 2010, and those will likely be a part of any future FTD.
Yes, I bought that 12 track upgraded CD back then but I would like to have the FTD with great sounding masters and great sounding outtakes all on one collection. Then the FTD would be my "go to" source for Viva just as it is on so many of my other favorites like EIB, Pot Luck, His Hand In Mine, and so many others.