FTD Viva Las Vegas 3 cd box set confirmed!!!!.

[goldbelt]

Elvis: Off-On Stage Vol 2! .

Good one, Mike

[YDKM]

is this a wrongly dated April 1st thread?

[MaestroDavros]

So, I'm curious as to why so many are pushing for a 3-cd FTD of "Viva Las Vegas"? As I look at Keith Flynn's Elvis sessions site, there's not too many complete outtakes left unreleased. There's a lot of false starts still unreleased. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to all those and the studio banter as well!

If there is a 3 disc set offered, will it include everything we've already bought on previous releases? Believe me, I want the unreleased stuff too, though small it may be, but I also don't care to buy everything I already have...yet again. And I'm sure to add a 3rd disc they would up the price. Paying close to $40 for a single or even a 2 disc set is pushing it now.

Why not a 2-disc with what's left unreleased? It might even fit on a single disc!

Or how about offer the FTD's digitally as well as the option of the physical cd? I've been listening to Elvis music a lot through Amazon streaming and have wished many times that I could listen to my FTD's the same way.

Not trying to start an argument, but am I missing something in this 3 cd FTD discussion?


RKS

There's quite enough left to be released thou

12 takes of Night Life (Including 5 complete takes, thou the rehearsal and BD's could be complete too or near complete)
1 False start of the record version of C'Mon Everybody
9 takes of ''If You Think I Don't need You'' (BD's & False starts)
18 takes of 'I Need Somebody To Lean On'' (Including 4 complete takes, and 4 BD's which could be complete / near complete)
5 takes of Do The Vega (including 1 complete take and a BD that could be near complete)
4 takes of ''Viva Las Vegas'' (including a BD that could be complete / near complete)
8 takes of Yellow Rose Of Texas/The Eyes Of Texas (including 1 complete take, 3 BD's and a rehearsal that could be complete / near complete)
7 takes of ''The Lady Loves Me'' (Including a complete take, 2 BD's and take 4 is unknown if it's a FS or complete)
14 takes of ''You're The Boss'' (Including 3 complete takes, 6 BD's and false starts)
2 takes of ''Today Tomorrow & Forever, record version'' including a take that includes Elvis doing live vocals to a faster tempo arrangement.
5 Takes of ''Santa Lucia'' that are all complete
10 takes of ''Today Tomorrow & Forever - Movie Vocal Overdub'' that includes a complete take 8, the rest is unknown except for the master they chose which is take 10.

outside of all that (this amounts to 95 unreleased takes!), there are the movie versions that remain to be released, the ann margret tracks that remain to be released, and maybe thou i doubt they'll include them, several instrumentals.

Are we so sure it’s all available in the archives? Cause, it might be well only a paper listing. Can we have a confirmation from Keith Flynn on this? If not from Ernst? I wouldn’t buy a 3 cd set only for false starts. As far as I know, there are complete outtakes left unreleased but how many really?

Generally Keith puts in session page's notes whether there's missing material or not.

Don't quote me on this, but I believe that all of the session reels of the VLV sessions were recovered in the early 2000's, which made the initial FTD release possible. However like many of the early soundtrack FTD's mastered by Lene Reidel there are good reasons to revamp them, since starting over from scratch with the current FTD sound team would bring much improved fidelity and doing this release instead of a Volume 2 would mean that the sound quality for the VLV sessions would be uniform and everything could be found in one place instead of scattered about.

[Tornado]

So, I'm curious as to why so many are pushing for a 3-cd FTD of "Viva Las Vegas"? As I look at Keith Flynn's Elvis sessions site, there's not too many complete outtakes left unreleased. There's a lot of false starts still unreleased. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to all those and the studio banter as well!

If there is a 3 disc set offered, will it include everything we've already bought on previous releases? Believe me, I want the unreleased stuff too, though small it may be, but I also don't care to buy everything I already have...yet again. And I'm sure to add a 3rd disc they would up the price. Paying close to $40 for a single or even a 2 disc set is pushing it now.

Why not a 2-disc with what's left unreleased? It might even fit on a single disc!

Or how about offer the FTD's digitally as well as the option of the physical cd? I've been listening to Elvis music a lot through Amazon streaming and have wished many times that I could listen to my FTD's the same way.

Not trying to start an argument, but am I missing something in this 3 cd FTD discussion?


RKS

There's quite enough left to be released thou

12 takes of Night Life (Including 5 complete takes, thou the rehearsal and BD's could be complete too or near complete)
1 False start of the record version of C'Mon Everybody
9 takes of ''If You Think I Don't need You'' (BD's & False starts)
18 takes of 'I Need Somebody To Lean On'' (Including 4 complete takes, and 4 BD's which could be complete / near complete)
5 takes of Do The Vega (including 1 complete take and a BD that could be near complete)
4 takes of ''Viva Las Vegas'' (including a BD that could be complete / near complete)
8 takes of Yellow Rose Of Texas/The Eyes Of Texas (including 1 complete take, 3 BD's and a rehearsal that could be complete / near complete)
7 takes of ''The Lady Loves Me'' (Including a complete take, 2 BD's and take 4 is unknown if it's a FS or complete)
14 takes of ''You're The Boss'' (Including 3 complete takes, 6 BD's and false starts)
2 takes of ''Today Tomorrow & Forever, record version'' including a take that includes Elvis doing live vocals to a faster tempo arrangement.
5 Takes of ''Santa Lucia'' that are all complete
10 takes of ''Today Tomorrow & Forever - Movie Vocal Overdub'' that includes a complete take 8, the rest is unknown except for the master they chose which is take 10.

outside of all that (this amounts to 95 unreleased takes!), there are the movie versions that remain to be released, the ann margret tracks that remain to be released, and maybe thou i doubt they'll include them, several instrumentals.

Are we so sure it’s all available in the archives? Cause, it might be well only a paper listing. Can we have a confirmation from Keith Flynn on this? If not from Ernst? I wouldn’t buy a 3 cd set only for false starts. As far as I know, there are complete outtakes left unreleased but how many really?

Generally Keith puts in session page's notes whether there's missing material or not.

Don't quote me on this, but I believe that all of the session reels of the VLV sessions were recovered in the early 2000's, which made the initial FTD release possible. However like many of the early soundtrack FTD's mastered by Lene Reidel there are good reasons to revamp them, since starting over from scratch with the current FTD sound team would bring much improved fidelity and doing this release instead of a Volume 2 would mean that the sound quality for the VLV sessions would be uniform and everything could be found in one place instead of scattered about.

Thanks. It gives hope for an overdue, decent, ultimate version of VLV.

[Keith]

Mike, can I make it clear that I do not get "inside info" from Ernst on what is available in "RCA Archives" - I do my own research, and have had many people, who have worked at RCA over the years, come to me with information, tapes, paper work etc that Ernst hadn't even seen or heard before I sent it to him. We work together, and that is how it should be - Elvis fans working together getting everything out to fans, as much as we can.

Ernst is a great guy, the best actually, and what he has done for Elvis' legacy since he took charge of his catalogue will never be outdone. OK, mistakes happen on certain releases, this is human nature, it always happens, and it is always going to happen, but he is the person we want in charge of this, believe me.

Regarding the "complete session" FTD sets - I welcome them, in fact, I applaud them. Why not release everything they have in the vaults to the fans and collectors who want them. Ignore the naysayers who are only out for themselves (you all know who these are), who try to put down the idea of these sets, they are not "fans", they are egotistical idiots who only try to show Elvis in a bad light. Elvis didn't die in 1958, we know the majority of his 60s movie songs were shite, but we still want outtakes of 'Ito Eats' and 'Rock-A-Hula Baby' released by FTD so we can hear them all, and if the "complete session" sets are a way to get them out I'm all with that!

That may be "pedantic" but hey, we are all really, aren't we?

Keith

Hi there!! .

Are we so sure it’s all available in the archives? Cause, it might be well only a paper listing. Can we have a confirmation from Keith Flynn on this? If not from Ernst? I wouldn’t buy a 3 cd set only for false starts. As far as I know, there are complete outtakes left unreleased but how many really?

Keith Flynn gets inside info from the RCA Archives directly from Ernst Jorgensen! . Bye for now .

P.S: Plus detective work from many Elvis Scholars/Collectors, including Kevan Budd! .

[drjohncarpenter]

Don't quote me on this, but I believe that all of the session reels of the VLV sessions were recovered in the early 2000's, which made the initial FTD release possible.

This is incorrect.

The complete reels from the 1963 MGM soundtrack sessions were not recovered then, and it remains that way to date.

Regarding the "complete session" FTD sets - I welcome them, in fact, I applaud them. Why not release everything they have in the vaults to the fans and collectors who want them. Ignore the naysayers who are only out for themselves (you all know who these are), who try to put down the idea of these sets, they are not "fans", they are egotistical idiots who only try to show Elvis in a bad light. Elvis didn't die in 1958, we know the majority of his 60s movie songs were shite, but we still want outtakes of 'Ito Eats' and 'Rock-A-Hula Baby' released by FTD so we can hear them all, and if the "complete session" sets are a way to get them out I'm all with that!

That may be "pedantic" but hey, we are all really, aren't we?

Not to be pedantic, but exactly which outtakes of "Ito Eats" and "Rock-A-Hula Baby" are unheard?

According to the website with your name in ALL CAPS on the top of every page, every single false start, long false start and complete take is out there:

https://www.keithflynn.com/recording-sessions/610322.html
https://www.keithflynn.com/recording-sessions/610323.html

Or do you need to revise those pages? Let's not show Elvis in a bad light here.

[Mike Windgren]

Hi there!! .

Mike, can I make it clear that I do not get "inside info" from Ernst on what is available in "RCA Archives" - I do my own research, and have had many people, who have worked at RCA over the years, come to me with information, tapes, paper work etc that Ernst hadn't even seen or heard before I sent it to him. We work together, and that is how it should be - Elvis fans working together getting everything out to fans, as much as we can.

Keith

Keith Flynn gets inside info from the RCA Archives directly from Ernst Jorgensen! .

P.S: Plus detective work from many Elvis Scholars/Collectors, including Kevan Budd! .

Yes Sir!. Sorry for the overstatement, my mistake…. . Bye for now .

..

[elvis-fan]

Plus there are still lots of unreleased outtakes & they should include all the Ann Margret songs too!. Hopefully they include the alternate demo of "Appreciation"! . Bye for now .

..

Mike is that supposed to be Ann Margret or is it just a demo of the song? If it's supposed to be Ann, it sure doesn't sound like her... maybe it's a speed issue...

[a mess of polk salad]

Is there potential for a 3-CD version of the PROMISED LAND CD ? Or is everything released .. ?

Sent from my ANE-LX1 using Tapatalk

[emjel]

I never had something like that. Amazon just canceled my pre=order of Where No One Stands Alone, cause they were annnounced that the cd will not be released by Sony. Is this a joke, a spam or what? I checked my orders, and it's been removed. Anybody has a clue?

This is an FTD thread!!

[emjel]

For the LP, even though I don't collect LPs, the Elvis Sings Memphis Tennessee FTD would be great, I would definately get it if it happens.

Why, if you do not collect LPs? That’s a lot of money for a sleeve.

[Deleted User 1099]

Regarding the "complete session" FTD sets - I welcome them, in fact, I applaud them. Why not release everything they have in the vaults to the fans and collectors who want them. Ignore the naysayers who are only out for themselves (you all know who these are), who try to put down the idea of these sets, they are not "fans", they are egotistical idiots who only try to show Elvis in a bad light. Elvis didn't die in 1958, we know the majority of his 60s movie songs were shite, but we still want outtakes of 'Ito Eats' and 'Rock-A-Hula Baby' released by FTD so we can hear them all, and if the "complete session" sets are a way to get them out I'm all with that!

That may be "pedantic" but hey, we are all really, aren't we?

Not to be pedantic, but exactly which outtakes of "Ito Eats" and "Rock-A-Hula Baby" are unheard?

According to the website with your name in ALL CAPS on the top of every page, every single false start, long false start and complete take is out there:

https://www.keithflynn.com/recording-sessions/610322.html
https://www.keithflynn.com/recording-sessions/610323.html

Or do you need to revise those pages? Let's not show Elvis in a bad light here.

John, if you had actually bothered to read through Keith’s notes, you would have noticed that there are two unreleased outtakes of "Ito Eats" and one of "Rock-A-Hula Baby".

Keith, I fully agree with everything you wrote about the complete sessions sets. You really nailed it.

[Mike Windgren]

Hi there!! .

Plus there are still lots of unreleased outtakes & they should include all the Ann Margret songs too!. Hopefully they include the alternate demo of "Appreciation"! . Bye for now .

..

Mike is that supposed to be Ann Margret or is it just a demo of the song? If it's supposed to be Ann, it sure doesn't sound like her... maybe it's a speed issue...

I´m no Ann-Margret expert by any means but it sound to me as her.... . Bye for now .

..

[etp]

Hoping for a Vinyl Release of
Harum Scarum Sessions,
Memphis Tennessee,
All Shook Up 1969,
Or Dixieland Rocks

[Mike Windgren]

Hi there!! .

So, I'm curious as to why so many are pushing for a 3-cd FTD of "Viva Las Vegas"? As I look at Keith Flynn's Elvis sessions site, there's not too many complete outtakes left unreleased. There's a lot of false starts still unreleased. If there is a 3 disc set offered, will it include everything we've already bought on previous releases?. Why not a 2-disc with what's left unreleased? It might even fit on a single disc!

Not trying to start an argument, but am I missing something in this 3 cd FTD discussion?.

There's quite enough left to be released thou

12 takes of Night Life (Including 5 complete takes, thou the rehearsal and BD's could be complete too or near complete)
1 False start of the record version of C'Mon Everybody
9 takes of ''If You Think I Don't need You'' (BD's & False starts)
18 takes of 'I Need Somebody To Lean On'' (Including 4 complete takes, and 4 BD's which could be complete / near complete)
5 takes of Do The Vega (including 1 complete take and a BD that could be near complete)
4 takes of ''Viva Las Vegas'' (including a BD that could be complete / near complete)
8 takes of Yellow Rose Of Texas/The Eyes Of Texas (including 1 complete take, 3 BD's and a rehearsal that could be complete / near complete)
7 takes of ''The Lady Loves Me'' (Including a complete take, 2 BD's and take 4 is unknown if it's a FS or complete)
14 takes of ''You're The Boss'' (Including 3 complete takes, 6 BD's and false starts)
2 takes of ''Today Tomorrow & Forever, record version'' including a take that includes Elvis doing live vocals to a faster tempo arrangement.
5 Takes of ''Santa Lucia'' that are all complete
10 takes of ''Today Tomorrow & Forever - Movie Vocal Overdub'' that includes a complete take 8, the rest is unknown except for the master they chose which is take 10.

outside of all that (this amounts to 95 unreleased takes!), there are the movie versions that remain to be released, the ann margret tracks that remain to be released, and maybe thou i doubt they'll include them, several instrumentals.

Plus the 2 overdubbing/edited recordings takes of Santa Lucia recorded on October 11, 1965! . Bye for now .

..

P.S: If they don´t have the Master Tapes, at least an acetate exist .

Source: http://www.keithflynn.com/recording-sessions/651011.html

[drghanem]

It is heartwarming to know that I am not the only one who encourages the complete approach. Thanks Keith Flynn for the splendid post above, it mirrors exactly what I feel.

[emjel]

Regarding the "complete session" FTD sets - I welcome them, in fact, I applaud them. Why not release everything they have in the vaults to the fans and collectors who want them. Ignore the naysayers who are only out for themselves (you all know who these are), who try to put down the idea of these sets, they are not "fans", they are egotistical idiots who only try to show Elvis in a bad light. Elvis didn't die in 1958, we know the majority of his 60s movie songs were shite, but we still want outtakes of 'Ito Eats' and 'Rock-A-Hula Baby' released by FTD so we can hear them all, and if the "complete session" sets are a way to get them out I'm all with that!

That may be "pedantic" but hey, we are all really, aren't we?

Not to be pedantic, but exactly which outtakes of "Ito Eats" and "Rock-A-Hula Baby" are unheard?

According to the website with your name in ALL CAPS on the top of every page, every single false start, long false start and complete take is out there:

https://www.keithflynn.com/recording-sessions/610322.html
https://www.keithflynn.com/recording-sessions/610323.html

Or do you need to revise those pages? Let's not show Elvis in a bad light here.

John, if you had actually bothered to read through Keith’s notes, you would have noticed that there are two unreleased outtakes of "Ito Eats" and one of "Rock-A-Hula Baby".

I might be wrong but I think The Doc meant that everything was out there, one way or the other, but not necessarily all via FTD as anything unreleased officially on these two songs are simply false starts, and probably the reason why FTD never bothered with them. On the original release. I’ll have to dig out those "boots" to check on any merits, but If that is indicative of any other unreleased bits and pieces from Blue Hawaii, whilst it would be nice to have everything, is there enough interesting stuff to warrant a 3 Disc Set. it would be a bitter pill to swallow in having to pay out $40 or more for a handful of false starts and one or two complete takes, that’s why pricing will key to this forthcoming venture.

[emjel]

It is heartwarming to know that I am not the only one who encourages the complete approach. Thanks Keith Flynn for the splendid post above, it mirrors exactly what I feel.

That’s fine if the unreleased stuff merits a revised bigger package, but dangling a carrot in front of collectors, some of whom may not be able to afford to buy these bigger sets just to acquire a few outtakes is not the route that Ernst appears to have previously advocated. Where to draw the line is important. Would you expect FTD to do a "complete sessions" release on everything then - eg Follow That Dream sessions only has a few unreleased false starts or long false starts from what I can see, so to redo that again and charge another $30 would seem to be a dubious decision and to me, such a release would only be warranted if they had discovered the masters in Stereo.

[Kylan]

It is heartwarming to know that I am not the only one who encourages the complete approach. Thanks Keith Flynn for the splendid post above, it mirrors exactly what I feel.

That’s fine if the unreleased stuff merits a revised bigger package, but dangling a carrot in front of collectors, some of whom may not be able to afford to buy these bigger sets just to acquire a few outtakes is not the route that Ernst appears to have previously advocated. Where to draw the line is important. Would you expect FTD to do a "complete sessions" release on everything then - eg Follow That Dream sessions only has a few unreleased false starts or long false starts from what I can see, so to redo that again and charge another $30 would seem to be a dubious decision and to me, such a release would only be warranted if they had discovered the masters in Stereo.

When the announcement comes, do your research and if it's not worth the price tag to you, then dont buy it.. simple.. you have a choice, the problem with your opinion and others who naysay the idea don't give the ones who find complete sessions intriguing a choice.

[Deleted User 1099]

It is heartwarming to know that I am not the only one who encourages the complete approach. Thanks Keith Flynn for the splendid post above, it mirrors exactly what I feel.

That’s fine if the unreleased stuff merits a revised bigger package, but dangling a carrot in front of collectors, some of whom may not be able to afford to buy these bigger sets just to acquire a few outtakes is not the route that Ernst appears to have previously advocated. Where to draw the line is important. Would you expect FTD to do a "complete sessions" release on everything then - eg Follow That Dream sessions only has a few unreleased false starts or long false starts from what I can see, so to redo that again and charge another $30 would seem to be a dubious decision and to me, such a release would only be warranted if they had discovered the masters in Stereo.

Follow That Dream (the entire session fits on one CD) must obviously be combined with Kid Galahad (the entire sessions fit on two CDs) to make a nice and valuable 3-CD set. Of course, everything comes down to the price tag.

[Rich_TCB]

Hey now . . . that would be a mighty fine FTD package with the sesssions of both Follow That Dream & Kid Galahad.

I couldn't pull out the credit card fast enough.

As mentioned earlier though, we still need the Classic Album release of For LP Fans Only. I have a soft spot for that album.

[R2-D2]

Three disc sets would be a great way to release an expanded Legendary Performer package. Not to everyone's taste I know but then neither are the sessions sets.

[emjel]

Three disc sets would be a great way to release an expanded Legendary Performer package. Not to everyone's taste I know but then neither are the sessions sets.

It is not so much that fans are against the "sessions" sets per se, but rather at having to pay again for material they already own. Do you have a list of items included on those four LP volumes that are not available elsewhere. Why would you have a 3 CD set for your proposal, bearing in mind that these new proposed 3 CD sets are based on complete sessions and not releases for the type of things that the Legendary Performer Series covered, which was an outlet for a variety of unreleased titbits and nuggets at the time of their respective release.

[R2-D2]

Nope. The four albums have just always been favourites of mine and I would like to see them in properly done CD sets. If FTD do issue three disc sets they need to look at more than just sessions. Perhaps an Aloha set with both shows and a third disc of rehearsals/interviews.

[emjel]

Nope. The four albums have just always been favourites of mine and I would like to see them in properly done CD sets. If FTD do issue three disc sets they need to look at more than just sessions. Perhaps an Aloha set with both shows and a third disc of rehearsals/interviews.

Wasn’t one of the reasons these Lgendary Performer albums and some of the Camden releases were not included in the big Sony Box Album Set released a year or so ago, was to avoid simple duplication. What would you add to the LP albums to expand them as per your suggestion. If you like the original contents so much, surely you could make your own versions.