'Suspicious Minds' from TTWII SE is from 4 different shows.
Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:48 pm
Not sure if this has been brought up before but after watching 'Suspicious Minds' from TTWII SE , i have noticed it has been edited from 4 different shows.
At the start of the performance, Elvis is wearing the Conchas jumpsuit with both collars standing up but during the end of the song, just where Elvis is about to walk over to the Sweet Inspirations, his collar on his left side is down then when he walks away from the Sweet Inspirations his collar is standing up again.
Also during the finale of Suspicious Minds there is distance footage of him wearing the fringe jumpsuit which im sure is from Aug 15th.
At the end of the song , whilst the audience is clapping Elvis is standing there wearing the Chain Jumpsuit.
'Cant Help Falling In Love' is also taken from 3 differnt performances.
Elvis starts the song with the chain jumpsuit with 2 broken chains hanging from his jumpsuit then halfway thorugh the song there is just one chain that is broken.
As the curtain is falling down Elvis appears to be wearing the Conchas Jumpsuit then pulls the curtain up to say something(possibly bye y'all) then is surprisingly wearing the chain jumpsuit again.
When the curtain finally has come down and Elvis is walking back off stage he is again wearing the Conchas jumpsuit.
Im pretty sure that 'Suspicious Minds' was edited from Aug 11th DS, Aug. 12th DS , Aug 12th MS and a few seconds of footage from possibly Aug 15th.
Not sure if there are any more edits like this in TTWII SE.
At the start of the performance, Elvis is wearing the Conchas jumpsuit with both collars standing up but during the end of the song, just where Elvis is about to walk over to the Sweet Inspirations, his collar on his left side is down then when he walks away from the Sweet Inspirations his collar is standing up again.
Also during the finale of Suspicious Minds there is distance footage of him wearing the fringe jumpsuit which im sure is from Aug 15th.
At the end of the song , whilst the audience is clapping Elvis is standing there wearing the Chain Jumpsuit.
'Cant Help Falling In Love' is also taken from 3 differnt performances.
Elvis starts the song with the chain jumpsuit with 2 broken chains hanging from his jumpsuit then halfway thorugh the song there is just one chain that is broken.
As the curtain is falling down Elvis appears to be wearing the Conchas Jumpsuit then pulls the curtain up to say something(possibly bye y'all) then is surprisingly wearing the chain jumpsuit again.
When the curtain finally has come down and Elvis is walking back off stage he is again wearing the Conchas jumpsuit.
Im pretty sure that 'Suspicious Minds' was edited from Aug 11th DS, Aug. 12th DS , Aug 12th MS and a few seconds of footage from possibly Aug 15th.
Not sure if there are any more edits like this in TTWII SE.
Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:50 pm
lots. 
Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:45 pm
Yes, it is a complete salad!
Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:23 pm
Renan wrote:Yes, it is a complete salad!
A Polk Salad actually
Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:37 pm
That whole documentary is one interesting tossed salad. 
Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:04 pm
When Elvis falls on his knee during the finales of CHFIL, we can also see the fringe suit (possibly from Opening Night?)
Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:00 pm
Never noticed myself... makes you wonder why the shaking shoulders routine was not used as the ending for Suspicious Minds... always loved that in the original.
Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:09 pm
That was the best!Matthew wrote:Never noticed myself... makes you wonder why the shaking shoulders routine was not used as the ending for Suspicious Minds... always loved that in the original.
Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:07 am
All that editing work and it still not as good as the midnight show version as in the original movie.
Also those who own the outtakes there is another superior version over what Schmidlin included.
That said Schmidlin did a great great job ,just an incomplete job and most importantly he revealed what can be done with Elvis material.
Also those who own the outtakes there is another superior version over what Schmidlin included.
That said Schmidlin did a great great job ,just an incomplete job and most importantly he revealed what can be done with Elvis material.
Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:21 am
Maybe they were fulfilling Elvis' wish, as recorded in the movie, to do a medley of costumes!
Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:23 am
Gerry wrote:That said Schmidlin did a great great job.
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You've gotta be kidding. Stevie Wonder could have edited it better.
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You've gotta be kidding. Stevie Wonder could have edited it better.
Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:34 am
Well that's the edit, but who digitally enhanced the footage and the audio ?
It did come alive again. it did have an added dimension to it, invisible in its own right perhaps, but never-the-less there was something more, something extra that wasn't in the original.
The only aspect i didn't like was the selection, but that's a personal choice i guess. I thought the editing was good but it lacked groundwork within the fandom of Elvis that could have been of valuable input into such a project.
Then again, there maybe parameters that had to be taken into account that we're not aware of.
Still yet to here of a good reason for omitting the stage performance of Can't Help Believin' though
It did come alive again. it did have an added dimension to it, invisible in its own right perhaps, but never-the-less there was something more, something extra that wasn't in the original.
The only aspect i didn't like was the selection, but that's a personal choice i guess. I thought the editing was good but it lacked groundwork within the fandom of Elvis that could have been of valuable input into such a project.
Then again, there maybe parameters that had to be taken into account that we're not aware of.
Still yet to here of a good reason for omitting the stage performance of Can't Help Believin' though
Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:49 am
Im pretty sure that the few seconds of footage which is shown from the balconey looking down at the stage of 'Suspicious Minds' is from the 15th.I thought it might have been the Opening Show but Elvis never sang SM that night.
The best editing is from'Polk Salad Annie' where they cut the 'hup 2,3,4 ' which always went on for too long in the original.
I agree about 'Suspicious Minds' from the original. In my opinion, is one of the best performances of Elvis's career.
Why didnt they put THAT version on there?
I guess we will never see the original film remastered.
Why couldnt a European Company buy the Elvis Estate??
Then maybe we would get the things that we want.Im sure that Elvis would have wanted this footage released.
Its a complete shambles.
The best editing is from'Polk Salad Annie' where they cut the 'hup 2,3,4 ' which always went on for too long in the original.
I agree about 'Suspicious Minds' from the original. In my opinion, is one of the best performances of Elvis's career.
Why didnt they put THAT version on there?
I guess we will never see the original film remastered.
Why couldnt a European Company buy the Elvis Estate??
Then maybe we would get the things that we want.Im sure that Elvis would have wanted this footage released.
Its a complete shambles.
Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:52 am
Sean, if they had put the original in there we would have had people complaining that they didn't use enough "new" footage.
The original edit wasn't one performance anyway, was it ?
The original edit wasn't one performance anyway, was it ?
Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:31 am
Steve_M wrote:Sean, if they had put the original in there we would have had people complaining that they didn't use enough "new" footage.
The original edit wasn't one performance anyway, was it ?
They had the chance to put on the extra hour on the DVD that they left off.I dont think anyone would have complained if they put the original version of 'Suspicious Minds' on it and also the 4 songs they left off as well.
Im sure the original 'Suspicious minds' is a unedited version from Aug 12th Midnight Show.
Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:49 am
Sean just because he didn't perform SM on opening doesn't mean that they didn't use some speck of footage from that night with tricky editing in the SM segment. Just a thought.
Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:36 am
Sean Ryan wrote:Im sure the original 'Suspicious minds' is a unedited version from Aug 12th Midnight Show.
Dont think it is. I did a version of the one from the 12th MS, so far it is the best out take from the ttwii out takes footage imo.
They threw clips from other songs into the original film even if the clip wasn't from the same song.
Last edited by Steve_M on Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:52 am
Ok Steve.
I will have to go back and watch it and i will give you my thoughts.
I will have to go back and watch it and i will give you my thoughts.
Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:37 pm
ekenee wrote:Gerry wrote:That said Schmidlin did a great great job.
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You've gotta be kidding. Stevie Wonder could have edited it better.
Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:34 pm
ElvisWorld Japan has a good page showing Can´t help... from TTWII SE:
http://elvisworld2.at.infoseek.co.jp/ttwii/CantHelp.htm
The footage is taken from 6 (!!!) different performances!
http://elvisworld2.at.infoseek.co.jp/ttwii/CantHelp.htm
The footage is taken from 6 (!!!) different performances!
Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:03 pm
Sodman wrote:ElvisWorld Japan has a good page showing Can´t help... from TTWII SE:
http://elvisworld2.at.infoseek.co.jp/ttwii/CantHelp.htm
The footage is taken from 6 (!!!) different performances!
Yeah, that is ridiculous to use 6 different performances for one song.
What aload of crap.
Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:50 am
Sean Ryan wrote:Sodman wrote:ElvisWorld Japan has a good page showing Can´t help... from TTWII SE:
http://elvisworld2.at.infoseek.co.jp/ttwii/CantHelp.htm
The footage is taken from 6 (!!!) different performances!
Yeah, that is ridiculous to use 6 different performances for one song.
What aload of crap.
Unfortunately That´s The Way It Is.
In the time of the release Turner could release two or three version of it. Something more complete.
But then we would fall in the rights.
Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:59 am
That Japan site pictures were AWESOME! Maybe some 7-8 years after that David G.Hall put all the specualion out about T.T.W.I.I. footage (In Elvis monthly's)we may be FINALLY be getting much, MUCH clearer idea now of what/where when was fimed! - same for 'on tour' much more is known about that as well!!! 
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