Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:00 pm
When the idea was broached, Elvis was in desperate need of money primarily because of Priscilla’s new divorce attorney.
Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:53 pm
The Welz wrote:But Elvis didn't think this way. He needed the money now and his manager -for different reasons- didn't think different. So it wasn't mismanagement at all. Elvis and Parker wanted the same and they got it.
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Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:25 pm
elvisjock wrote:Ironically, the buyout is in today's news, as EPE announced it will appeal a German court's refusal to give them a bigger share of Sony Germany's profits from Elvis' recordings.
According to The Commercial Appeal, "Sony acquired the song rights with RCA Records, which had paid Presley a $5.4 million lump sum in 1973. The estate argued the songs are now worth $130 million."
Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:00 am
DEH wrote:Again, it was a error. Not some plan to hurt Elvis. Neither of them were looking into the future. If they were the deal would not have been done. And again it would not have happened without Elvis' permission. Jerry Schilling has said Elvis was thrilled with the deal. Because he was going to get paid a ton of money for doing absolutely nothing.
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Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:02 am
elvisonline wrote:I am not sure this is a 'great' topic. It's been discussed a million times before. Of course in HINDSIGHT the deal is appalling. But are fans really short sighted enough to think that the deal was made with Elvis dying in a few years in mind? The way out for Elvis was always to make more great music. Why would both he and the colonel not think that could happen in the future?
Maybe it was a great deal for Elvis as he couldn't take his money with him could he? Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush? Elvis always lived in the moment. Future finance was never a priority. Crikey, he gave most of his money away during life.
elvisonline
Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:06 am
Good Time Charlie wrote:The part that's most tragic of all, is that Presley even bragged to family and friends at what a good deal his manager had got for him.
Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:23 am
Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:54 am
elvisonline wrote:I am not sure this is a 'great' topic. It's been discussed a million times before. Of course in HINDSIGHT the deal is appalling. But are fans really short sighted enough to think that the deal was made with Elvis dying in a few years in mind? The way out for Elvis was always to make more great music. Why would both he and the colonel not think that could happen in the future?
Maybe it was a great deal for Elvis as he couldn't take his money with him could he? Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush? Elvis always lived in the moment. Future finance was never a priority. Crikey, he gave most of his money away during life.
elvisonline
Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:14 am
likethebike wrote:elvisonline wrote:I am not sure this is a 'great' topic. It's been discussed a million times before. Of course in HINDSIGHT the deal is appalling. But are fans really short sighted enough to think that the deal was made with Elvis dying in a few years in mind? The way out for Elvis was always to make more great music. Why would both he and the colonel not think that could happen in the future?
Maybe it was a great deal for Elvis as he couldn't take his money with him could he? Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush? Elvis always lived in the moment. Future finance was never a priority. Crikey, he gave most of his money away during life.
elvisonline
The problem is that the deal probably need Elvis' death to make it profitable. It was almost surely profitable before that. The two legendary performer sets had moved between them between one and a half million units before Elvis' death, Pure Gold put up similar numbers, the television compilations Elvis in Hollywood and Elvis had moved in the millions. Elvis-Fool moved about 300,000 according to Ernst notes and The Sun Sessions about the same. That's without a single unit moving overseas and any direct back catalog sales, and by 1973 both the 1971 Christmas LP and the 1957 LP (then available from Camden) had proven themselves big consistent annual movers. What's more, even in a pre-American Graffiti market, Elvis' hits had proven themselves as consistent back sellers. From 1956 to 1977 something like only 15 of his LPs had been deleted and his hits had proven themselves in repackaging time and time again, with the behemoth (for the time) boxed set Elvis' 50 Worldwide Gold Award Hits crashing the pop Top 50 less than three years prior. Further, although Graffiti had not yet been released, the oldies revival was already under way. Record labels were putting the hits of Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Ricky Nelson, Dion, the Everly Brothers back into circulation. At this key moment Parker decided to sell out the most valuable of them all.
What's more, many of those profits were made in direct competition with Elvis' newer work, in packaging that was very similar to Elvis' current work. Aloha, Fool, A Legendary Performer, Raised on Rock, Good Times all have very similar packaging. Beyond the packaging it was direct flooding the market competition with his current work, limiting his ability to profit on that work. Elvis had been in this position since RCA started flooding the market with budget records at the turn of the decade but at least he made something on those sales.
The problem with the just make more big hits theory is that in 1973, Elvis was 38 years old, a time when the big hit making days of most artists are over or limited because the Top 40 audience is largely young people. I don't mean to say that people like Sinatra, and Elton John or Dean Martin didn't have hits in their 40s and beyond but they didn't build a hit catalog in middle age to rival what they did in their 20s and 30s. Maybe Dino but that's because he didn't move Elton John like numbers in his first run at fame.
Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:46 pm
Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:26 pm
promiseland wrote:Elvis made a smart move accepting the buyout considering he died in 1977. Had he lived it would have been a bad deal.
Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:20 am
elvisonline wrote:promiseland wrote:Elvis made a smart move accepting the buyout considering he died in 1977. Had he lived it would have been a bad deal.
Exactly my point. He would no way have earned that much money in future royalties dying only 4 years later. Maybe Elvis knew himself that the end was near.
Elvis never planned for anything. Does anyone think he gave a damn about money? He just spent like it was going out of fashion and gave most of it away. If he wanted more, he just did another tour then another then another. He earnt far more from doing a short tour than he would have from making a few studio singles or albums.
There was no saying that the interest in back hits would grow so incredibly big. CDs hadn't been invented back then. I just think in hindsight it's a dumb deal but at the time it probably seemed a good idea. Hasn't everyone made a crap decision in their time that with hindsight seemed blatantly obvious? I know I have.
Anyway, I'm glad it made him happy. Let's face it, Elvis could do what he bloody well wanted with his money and his catalogue and invariably did.
elvisonline
Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:14 am
epf wrote:Alexander wrote:Well, it is sad to say but Elvis was not the smartest person around and The Cononel... well... robbery was his game I guess.
I strongly disagree. He was too trustful where it concerned the colonel but Elvis showed intelligence on a number of levels.
Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:18 am
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Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:59 pm
Scarre wrote:Remember that he still continued to get publisher´s royalties, no matter when the songs were recorded. According to EPE it is still "one of our major assests". Not trying to defend the deal, just pointing out that everything was not sold.
Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:12 pm
Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:39 pm
brian wrote:Elvis didn't know he was going to die within 4 years when he made this deal.
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