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Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:26 pm

Another example of perspective: I paid $49.95 for TTWII on VHS in 1987!! And boy was I sure happy to get it then. Of course, this was before prices came down for the home viewing market.
That said though, I'm a little disappointed with the latest release. What is really horrifying, is that they LOST all the outtake stuff they worked on for the TTWIISE in 2001(I bet it is in Sherif Hanna's garage LOL!!). I can see misplacing tapes in the 1950's & 1960's, but in 2001? They reportedly spent a million dollars to do the SE back then and now it's lost!!!

Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:22 pm

Does anyone know whether this dvd has already been released in the Netherlands?

Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:46 pm

I finally got a chance to talk to Tom Brown, vice president of original production for Turner Classic Movies (and a huge honest-to-God Elvis fan, by the way).

First question I asked him was about the That's the Way It Is outtakes.

Before I even finished the question, he said knowingly, "and they look awful."

And here's the explanation:

The masters are missing. The extras were drawn from an old work tape -- his work tape, in fact.



I really am amazed at the patience that ES and some others here show for EPE / TCM/ WB/FTD ...and the level of understanding he shows for the explanations from these companies.

I wonder if any of the members remember the other huge fan that is with EPE who visited this board after the 68 special " It hurts me" ommision ? what did that genuine fan do when the single disc version that was to set things right was put out ?

Now we have a "huge honest to god fan" as a VP in charge of production at TCM/WB, and after he finds the masters are missing, what does this wonderful man do ? he knowingly goes to his inferior work tapes, just so us lucky fans would not miss out on the extra outtakes WBs have so thougtfully planned to allow us to see.

This honest to god huge fan does not know that some of missing tracks could be available on alternate offficial titles which when copied, would be better quality than what they were willing to and finally have put out ?

This huge fan could not think of even releasing the "lost performances" on the DVD set as an alternate to the missing masters ?

Could this honest to god fan, in charge of production, decide not to make a " special edition" but just release these movies as normal single disc editions - and release a special set once the missing masters have been located or alternate source found ? (Oh, I know: he is only for production not marketing and he has no influence there )

I find it very hard to beleive in this digital day and age, that WBs do not have a back up copy of their masters. Any major corporation worth their salt knows to keep a back up copy at a different location or more.

That they knowingly released the poor quality material, only proves the cynicism at TCM/WB, they know the majority of the fans will buy anything they put out.

The sad truth is we are being taken to the cleaners, and these companies are laughing all the way to the bank: and will do so again.

Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:19 pm

jbgude!

I'm afraid I'm about to agree with you on your final point.
I think the film companies simply repacked most of the movies they are offering now. Except those never released on DVD which seem to be of ordinary quality.
I haven't got JH or VLV SE DVD's yet, but they are reported to be better quality.
For TIE and TTWII the only extras are the so called outtakes on the original TTWII movie version in poor quality. Both versions of TIE is of course welcome!
I will not judge before I receive my 11DVD box set, but when reading here, "rip-off" seems to be on the horizon!

Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:54 am

elvissessions.com wrote:OK, I'm back from our post-party after the two Elvis concerts -- and I mean I ran to the computer as quickly as I could to post the scoop.

I finally got a chance to talk to Tom Brown, vice president of original production for Turner Classic Movies (and a huge honest-to-God Elvis fan, by the way).

First question I asked him was about the That's the Way It Is outtakes.

Before I even finished the question, he said knowingly, "and they look awful."

And here's the explanation:

The masters are missing. The extras were drawn from an old work tape -- his work tape, in fact.

I asked him if there's any hope for the future. He said, yes, if the material can be found again and recut, but then fans would face the prospect of a "special special edition." (I assured him we'd gladly buy it.)

He said his focus was on something else right now -- yes, you can guess what that is. To summarize the rest of the conversation: I think we'll live to see this project released. There was no time to mine for details of the project; I'm sure he wouldn't have given them anyway.

So, there you have it.

(I'm going to post this in the other recent TTWII thread, too.)



Did you ask him why "Get Back" was edited out of the Aug. 12 MS "Little Sister/Get Back" medley?

Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:39 am

KingElvis wrote:
buddy holly wrote:
Ramiro wrote:I've purchased the spanish 2007 edition of "That's The Way It Is" (two discs), and to my desperation not only the 1970 original film is in mono but even the 2001 special edition has been downgraded to mono too according to the information in the back cover.


Is the special edition really downgraded to mono?


no,disk1 is the SAME as 2001 edition.
So it has 5.1 sound.
Likethebike:Yes they should take outtakes from lost performance laserdisc/vhs instead....as mentionen many times in early threads here.


The spanish edition of the 2007 release says clearly in its back cover that both editions (original from 1970 and Special Edition from 2001) are mono. I still don't know if it is a mistake of the information in the back cover or the sad truth. Anyway, even if it is a mistake in the information lines, they are misleading buyers and ruining Elvis' sales, because people use to read the information in the cover to buy DVDs and a mono sound is not too good for 2007 standards.

Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:56 pm

Hello...I just bought the TTWII last night. I didn't get the chance to watch the whole thing, but I went ahead and put in the disc. 2 and watched the outtakes. now, my question is that the quality is bad, right? And, does it have the freeze frame in just a second? then, back again to normal...it was doing that a few times. The first few outtakes are in poor quality and find the rest in a little bit better quality. Are yours the same? The only part I saw was that I have never seen before was "Little Sister" that Elvis was sitting down in live concert. I liked that one and was happy to see in better picture. One thing that I cannot understand is that, first to say that I had someone to record TTWII on TCM and was almost three hours! It was the best I have ever seen! How come they didn't put that included with these discs??? I am very fusterated with what they do with all the Elvis Presley videos!! :( :( :( First, My brother got an new "Kiss" video with 10 hours of great concert footage!!!! Damn! I was so mad that we cannot get any of these good stuff on Elvis Presley!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:26 pm

Sheila wrote; I am very fusterated with what they do with all the Elvis Presley videos!! First, My brother got an new "Kiss" video with 10 hours of great concert footage!!!! Damn! I was so mad that we cannot get any of these good stuff on Elvis Presley!!

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I agree. I brought up the Kiss video along with the Rolling stones video in a previous post. Both are new 4 DVD sets. It seems with Elvis we get chopped up footage and nothing is ever complete. Even the new movies just released, they left off the trailer on some.
With the relative lack of video on ELvis' career you would think that these companies would release this stuff instead of letting it just fade away in the vaults. I am frustrated with this too!!

Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:55 pm

ekenee wrote:I am frustrated with this too!!

I'm not, because I haven't bought it. I'm sure I eventually will though. In the meantime, whenever I feel like watching some kick-ass Vegas footage from 1970, I put in the "I'll Be There" set from Star.

I'm usually pretty content watching that.

Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:02 pm

ekenee wrote:Sheila wrote; I am very fusterated with what they do with all the Elvis Presley videos!! First, My brother got an new "Kiss" video with 10 hours of great concert footage!!!! Damn! I was so mad that we cannot get any of these good stuff on Elvis Presley!!

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I agree. I brought up the Kiss video along with the Rolling stones video in a previous post. Both are new 4 DVD sets. It seems with Elvis we get chopped up footage and nothing is ever complete. Even the new movies just released, they left off the trailer on some.
With the relative lack of video on ELvis' career you would think that these companies would release this stuff instead of letting it just fade away in the vaults. I am frustrated with this too!!


Because Col Parker decided it wasn't worth the time or money to film concerts.

By the way, it seems the "lost" footage was in Memphis the whole time! They used alot of it at the "midnight" Vegas concert. From the screen grabs on another post, it looks pretty good.
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/v ... hp?t=31170

Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:15 pm

Rob, I haven't bought it either. In fact, I have become very choosey as far as Elvis dvd product. Too many incomplete, chopped up, poorly produced product out there. I will wait til they do it right.

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:25 am

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME FOR A LONG TIME. HOW COME ALL THE GREAT VIDEOS AND SONGS LIKE THE OUTTAKES ARE IMPORTS? JUST LIKE THE NEW RELEASE A MONTH AGO THE "TUPELO '56 CONCERT" WAS RELEASED FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH SOUND AND GREAT NEVER BEFORE SEEN IN YEARS! SEEMS LIKE THE U.S. ARE ALWAYS BEHIND OR THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN! EXAMPLE: JAPAN HAS ALL THOSE BEAUFITUL RELEASES FIRST WITH GREAT CD COVERS THAT INCLUDES BOOKLET AND SO ON...WE GET CRAP!! NOW, I AM HAPPY WITH THE 'FTD' CDS, BUT HAVE TO ORDER IT OVERSEAS!! WHY CAN'T WE HAVE IT HERE IN STORES OR BEST BUY STORES...ANY STORES THAT ARE AVAILABLE? HUH? WHY CAN U.S. HAVE SOME GREAT RELEASES LIKE THE FTD AND CAN BE RELEASE 4 TIMES IN A YEAR LIKE THEY DO OUT THERE? I FEEL LIKE I AM MISSING ALOT OF GODDIES OUT THERE WHEN I CANNOT GET MY HANDS ON! VIDEOS ARE AVAILABLE, BUT WE GET MEGA CRAP! AND OVER SEAS ARE EXCELLENT WITH EVERYTHING IN IT!! WHAT'S WRONG HERE!? CAN ANYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? SO MAD HERE!! UUUGGGHHHHH!!!!

Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:26 am

elvissessions.com wrote:And here's the explanation:

The masters are missing. The extras were drawn from an old work tape -- his work tape, in fact.

Your next question should have been "Why release sub-standard material on a "deluxe special edition DVD"?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:10 am

sheila wrote:I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME FOR A LONG TIME. HOW COME ALL THE GREAT VIDEOS AND SONGS LIKE THE OUTTAKES ARE IMPORTS? JUST LIKE THE NEW RELEASE A MONTH AGO THE "TUPELO '56 CONCERT" WAS RELEASED FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH SOUND AND GREAT NEVER BEFORE SEEN IN YEARS! SEEMS LIKE THE U.S. ARE ALWAYS BEHIND OR THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN! EXAMPLE: JAPAN HAS ALL THOSE BEAUFITUL RELEASES FIRST WITH GREAT CD COVERS THAT INCLUDES BOOKLET AND SO ON...WE GET CRAP!! NOW, I AM HAPPY WITH THE 'FTD' CDS, BUT HAVE TO ORDER IT OVERSEAS!! WHY CAN'T WE HAVE IT HERE IN STORES OR BEST BUY STORES...ANY STORES THAT ARE AVAILABLE? HUH? WHY CAN U.S. HAVE SOME GREAT RELEASES LIKE THE FTD AND CAN BE RELEASE 4 TIMES IN A YEAR LIKE THEY DO OUT THERE? I FEEL LIKE I AM MISSING ALOT OF GODDIES OUT THERE WHEN I CANNOT GET MY HANDS ON! VIDEOS ARE AVAILABLE, BUT WE GET MEGA CRAP! AND OVER SEAS ARE EXCELLENT WITH EVERYTHING IN IT!! WHAT'S WRONG HERE!? CAN ANYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? SO MAD HERE!! UUUGGGHHHHH!!!!

There's really no reason to scream at us, is there?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:29 am

Rob wrote:
sheila wrote:I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME FOR A LONG TIME. HOW COME ALL THE GREAT VIDEOS AND SONGS LIKE THE OUTTAKES ARE IMPORTS? JUST LIKE THE NEW RELEASE A MONTH AGO THE "TUPELO '56 CONCERT" WAS RELEASED FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH SOUND AND GREAT NEVER BEFORE SEEN IN YEARS! SEEMS LIKE THE U.S. ARE ALWAYS BEHIND OR THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN! EXAMPLE: JAPAN HAS ALL THOSE BEAUFITUL RELEASES FIRST WITH GREAT CD COVERS THAT INCLUDES BOOKLET AND SO ON...WE GET CRAP!! NOW, I AM HAPPY WITH THE 'FTD' CDS, BUT HAVE TO ORDER IT OVERSEAS!! WHY CAN'T WE HAVE IT HERE IN STORES OR BEST BUY STORES...ANY STORES THAT ARE AVAILABLE? HUH? WHY CAN U.S. HAVE SOME GREAT RELEASES LIKE THE FTD AND CAN BE RELEASE 4 TIMES IN A YEAR LIKE THEY DO OUT THERE? I FEEL LIKE I AM MISSING ALOT OF GODDIES OUT THERE WHEN I CANNOT GET MY HANDS ON! VIDEOS ARE AVAILABLE, BUT WE GET MEGA CRAP! AND OVER SEAS ARE EXCELLENT WITH EVERYTHING IN IT!! WHAT'S WRONG HERE!? CAN ANYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? SO MAD HERE!! UUUGGGHHHHH!!!!

There's really no reason to scream at us, is there?


I think her keyboard's Caps Lock key got high on Viva Viagra.

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:38 am

OKAY, VERY FUNNY! SORRY THAT I WAS SO UPSET, BUT NOT YELLING AT ELVIS' FANS HERE...JUST THE COMPANY WHO TAKES CARE OF IT.

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:50 am

I bought the 2 disk set today. Came home and watched both shows plus the outtakes. First and formost I loved watching the original release again and had no problems with it being in mono and to me the picture quality was alright. Then I watched the SE and in my opinion only mind you its was much better the the original. At least in the SE I dont have to sit and watch women with their buffont hairdo's, women talking about Elvis meeting a cat, and all the other lame interviews. Its stricktly Elvis and thats the way it should be. The SE version has excellent sound and picture in my book. As for the outtakes? I'll agree with some here that the picture quality and sound are bad but it was a treat to see Elvis singing Little Sister, Stranger In The Crowed and Oh Happy Day. Overall I'm happy because now I have both versions on dvd.

So Turner lost some footage huh? If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. They are sitting on alot of footage but because of the bootleggers out there we probably wont see it anytime soon. I could be wrong on that.

That being said I'm a happy guy with no big complaints about the TTWII box set. Its Elvis, the King, at his very best and in August 1970 he was simply the best in the buisness bar none. Thats not to say he didnt give other great performances because he did but in 1970 he was lean and mean and happy doing what he did best and that was entertaining the world.


:D

Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:11 pm

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Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:46 pm

Hi elvissessions.com

Thanks for asking the questions. It seems perplexing that they had to use a work videotape for the bonus material. Didn't they have the elements in 1999 to create the work videotape in question?

Did he mean that the negative film elements for the outtakes are missing and he used a videotape copy for the DVD? Or the work tape was made from a inferior film work print, with the master negative missing?

Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:07 pm

Hi there!!

Ramiro wrote:
KingElvis wrote:
buddy holly wrote:
Ramiro wrote:I've purchased the spanish 2007 edition of "That's The Way It Is" (two discs), and to my desperation not only the 1970 original film is in mono but even the 2001 special edition has been downgraded to mono too according to the information in the back cover.


Is the special edition really downgraded to mono?


no,disk1 is the SAME as 2001 edition.
So it has 5.1 sound.
Likethebike:Yes they should take outtakes from lost performance laserdisc/vhs instead....as mentionen many times in early threads here.


The spanish edition of the 2007 release says clearly in its back cover that both editions (original from 1970 and Special Edition from 2001) are mono. I still don't know if it is a mistake of the information in the back cover or the sad truth. Anyway, even if it is a mistake in the information lines, they are misleading buyers and ruining Elvis' sales, because people use to read the information in the cover to buy DVDs and a mono sound is not too good for 2007 standards.


It´s a mistake :oops: on back cover made here in Spain by Warner Home Video :!:. The new first dvd with the Special edition TTWII comes in 5.1 sound and the second dvd with the original TTWII and outtakes comes in Mono. It sure will mislead a lot of potential buyers here in Spain :cry:. Bye for now :wink:.

Mike Windgren.

Viva el vino, viva el dinero, viva, viva el amor!!.

Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:10 pm

Kris P wrote:
Mike Windgren wrote:
The new first dvd with the Special edition TTWII comes in 5.1 sound


It would be better described as '5' Sound, as for some unknown reason, WB did not use the low frequency (bass) channel! :shock:
Maybe they lost it?


Ha haha, thats right...

Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:57 pm

Mike Windgren wrote:Hi there!!

Ramiro wrote:
KingElvis wrote:
buddy holly wrote:
Ramiro wrote:I've purchased the spanish 2007 edition of "That's The Way It Is" (two discs), and to my desperation not only the 1970 original film is in mono but even the 2001 special edition has been downgraded to mono too according to the information in the back cover.


Is the special edition really downgraded to mono?


no,disk1 is the SAME as 2001 edition.
So it has 5.1 sound.
Likethebike:Yes they should take outtakes from lost performance laserdisc/vhs instead....as mentionen many times in early threads here.


The spanish edition of the 2007 release says clearly in its back cover that both editions (original from 1970 and Special Edition from 2001) are mono. I still don't know if it is a mistake of the information in the back cover or the sad truth. Anyway, even if it is a mistake in the information lines, they are misleading buyers and ruining Elvis' sales, because people use to read the information in the cover to buy DVDs and a mono sound is not too good for 2007 standards.


It´s a mistake :oops: on back cover made here in Spain by Warner Home Video :!:. The new first dvd with the Special edition TTWII comes in 5.1 sound and the second dvd with the original TTWII and outtakes comes in Mono. It sure will mislead a lot of potential buyers here in Spain :cry:. Bye for now :wink:.

Mike Windgren.

Viva el vino, viva el dinero, viva, viva el amor!!.


It's always the same, mistakes that always downgrade Elvis' image and Elvis' products for the public. There isn't a single mistake that benefits Elvis. :evil: And the running time is wrong too in it and in "This Is Elvis" as they show only the running time of one disc and not the total of the two discs. They definitely don't want to sell Elvis' products.

Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:15 pm

Steve1971 wrote:At least in the SE I dont have to sit and watch women with their buffont hairdo's, women talking about Elvis meeting a cat, and all the other lame interviews.


That's what the skip button is needed for ;) and that's exactly the same reason why I love the 2001 version much more.

Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:30 pm

Finally got around to buying my copy. I know it had already been said but seeing is believing. They certainly scraped the barrel with this copy of the original 1970 film.

Shame!

Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:00 pm

I find this strange,I think the picture quality on the 1970 version is superb,the best I've ever seen it,and althought the soundtrack is Mono,it's the best version I've heard too.

Agreed the out-takes are awful quality,this is obviously why they were removed from the original SE release,and Ernst's comments about film being very expensive to work with makes sense now.

I watched Stay Away,Joe,last night,the picture on that is stunning,I can't see how this could be improved on,even if they released a HD version,it's that good.

Dan.