Johnny Savage review - An American Trilogy FTD

Juan Luis wrote:

Whats the friggin fuss about an album that never was?

Just a guess, but I reckon this comes about through having few friends and far too much time on your hands.

However, as has already been pointed out, this thread serves a very useful purpose for insomniacs.

Thanks..my singing does not include you now..

Hello,

I wrote:

How do you know for sure that the "Standing Room Only" LP would have used the Feb./Mar. '72 material?

Matthew wrote:

However, there is more evidence that Standing Room Only would have contained said Feb/March material than there is that it would have contained April material.

What more evidence that "Standing Room Only" was the Feb./Mar. '72 material? A compilation CD. You recently seemed to have a problem with Gerry not answering your question. So answer my question:

How do you know for sure that the "Standing Room Only" LP would have used the Feb./Mar. '72 material?

Thank you for reiterating my point. As can be clearly ascertained above, I have not stated I know for sure the supposed content of this planned album. Merely I wrote there is more evidence that the content planned to contain the Feb/March material. Tentative track listings and catalogue numbers for a start, none of which as far as I am aware were prepared from April 1972 material:

STANDING ROOM ONLY LSP 4762
Side One (Live)
BPA5 1142 Never Been To Spain Feb 14 '72
BPA5 1143 You Gave Me A Mountain Feb 15 '72
BPA5 1144 A Big Hunk Of Love Feb 15 '72
BPA5 1145 It's Impossible Feb 16 '72
BPA5 1146 The Impossible Dream Feb 16 '72
BPA5 1147 An American Trilogy Feb 17 '72
BPA5 1148 It's Over Feb 17 '72

Side Two (Studio)
BPA3 1149 Separate Ways Mar 27 '72
BPA3 1150 For The Good Times Mar 27 '72
BPA3 1151 Where Do I Go From Here Mar 27 '72
BPA3 1257 Burning Love Mar 28 '72
BPA3 1258 Fool Mar 28 '72
BPA3 1259 Always On my mind Mar 29 '72
BPA3 1260 It's A Matter Of Time Mar 29 '72

Release date May 1972

There is certainly more foundation for the above than your April 1972 perspective.

where is my Hound Dog?!

where is my Hound Dog?!

I'm pretty certain the album was scrapped due to the lack of a decent rendition of Hound Dog

How do you know for sure that the "Standing Room Only" LP would have used the Feb./Mar. '72 material?

There are a number of sources -- and clues -- that seem to have eluded you on your quest to beat this subject to a pulp.

"When he opened in Vegas ... Felton was on hand for the recording of yet another live album, which was intended to be called Standing Room Only." [Guralnick, "Careless Love," p. 455]

A careful listener of the February 1972 Vegas multi-track tapes will notice how Elvis and crew were very careful and deliberate with each recording they made. Elvis was even warning the crowd of the possibility of stopping if necessary and starting again. Why? Because these were going to be masters for an album.

When MGM's cameras filmed a "mock" session at RCA's Hollywood studios on March 30, the brief number of songs chosen was in part due to the hybrid nature of the intended album.

The 45 of "An American Trilogy" pushed the Standing Room Only album in anticipation of the release of February (live) and March (studio) masters.

Take your toys, go home and play your Johnny Rivers discs, Daryl.

where is my Hound Dog?!

I'm pretty certain the album was scrapped due to the lack of a decent rendition of Hound Dog

I have been recognized!!

When MGM's cameras filmed a "mock" session at RCA's Hollywood studios on March 30, the brief number of songs chosen was in part due to the hybrid nature of the intended album

Is that a possibility or the mock session was just that. A mock (without quotes) to have EP on tour film have a stopover and be "caught" on film recording future hits?

where is my Hound Dog?!

I'm pretty certain the album was scrapped due to the lack of a decent rendition of Hound Dog

I have been recognized!!

Actually a more plausable structure for Standing Room Only was to be a retrospective on the developement of Hound Dog over the years. The progression from the original recording to the current stage version. Side A was said to contain:

Hound Dog '56 master
Hound Dog '56 Ed Sullivan Show
Hound Dog '68 Special
Hound Dog '69 live complete with intro monologue
Hound Dog '72 live with funky intro.

However the prospect of a 9 minute side caused the powers that be to re-plan their intentions and hence the mock up track listing for Standing Room Only mentioned above.

How do I know this? Well it just makes sense doesn't it?! And that ladies and gentlemen is all I need.

Hello,



Matthew, the "Standing Room Only" LP was scheduled for October, '72 not May '72. The album was withdrawn in August '72.

Doc, that's Peter Guralnick's writing, again speculative.

Secondly, Elvis doesn't say that it was going to be for the "Standing Room Only" LP specifically. In fact one of the recordings that was attempted more than once because Elvis screwed up that you refer to, "It's Impossible" appeared on another 2 LPs, "Elvis" (The Fool Album) and "Pure Gold". And on the false start to "It's Impossible" Elvis only says that they are making live recordings, not a live album. That is Guralnick's speculative assumption that they were making a live album. Just because they had the possibility of being masters for an album doesn't mean that they would have been masters for the "Standing Room Only" LP. It just means that they were masters. Many of them went unreleased for quite a number of years. The fact is that Felton oversaw the Feb. '72 recordings and Joan Deary was in charge of the "Standing Room Only" LP.

The nature of the March 30, 1972 mock session was to simulate for the film an Elvis recording session. It also gave Elvis a chance to rehearse songs that would be included in the upcoming April shows such as "Burning Love" and "For The Good Times." As for Knoxville, this was to be recorded for "Elvis On Tour" by Record Plant but due to the technical problems, this didn't occur, therefore we were left with only four. The San Antonio show (April 18, 1972) was added to make up for the lost Knoxville show and because it was chosen to be recorded at the last minute, Wally Heider had to be brought in instead of Record Plant.

Take your toys home and go listen to your Springsteen/Dylan records.

Daryl

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where is my Hound Dog?!

I'm pretty certain the album was scrapped due to the lack of a decent rendition of Hound Dog

I have been recognized!!

Actually a more plausable structure for Standing Room Only was to be a retrospective on the developement of Hound Dog over the years. The progression from the original recording to the current stage version. Side A was said to contain:

Hound Dog '56 master
Hound Dog '56 Ed Sullivan Show
Hound Dog '68 Special
Hound Dog '69 live complete with intro monologue
Hound Dog '72 live with funky intro.

However the prospect of a 9 minute side caused the powers that be to re-plan their intentions and hence the mock up track listing for Standing Room Only mentioned above.

How do I know this? Well it just makes sense doesn't it?! And that ladies and gentlemen is all I need.

That would be great if seen only as how HD "progressed" but the funky intro was better performed and recorded at MSG. Subjective but trying to get away with my assertiveness as much as I can!

Hello,



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There is an LSP # and that folks means it went into production in some way and at least there is a master tape ASSEMBLED!!So then it would be a real unreleased album..PAUL DOWLING is an expert on those RCA production notes...he should be consulted.

I'm a Norwegian, and my english may not be accurate, but I wonder about this:
What does "Reschedule withdrawn" mean?
What does "Rescheduled from october to permantently deleted" mean?

If october was the planned schedule, then how come it appears as rescheduled?

Wouldn't simply withdrawn do the trick if this was the original schedule?

And not least: Why withdraw something that never was?

Now shoot!

Hello,

Here's a list of unreleased live masters selected during Elvis' lifetime:

August 1969

XPA5-2309 I Got A Woman
XPA5-2385 Baby What You Want Me To Do
XPA5-2382 Funny How Time Slips Away
XPA5-2380 Heartbreak Hotel
XPA5-2375 What'd I Say
XPA5-2311 Love Me Tender
XPA5-2317 Jailhouse Rock/Don't Be Cruel
XPA5-2376 Inherit The Wind
XPA5-2377 Rubberneckin'
XPA5-2378 This Is The Story
XPA5-2319 Memories

Some of these still remain unreleased to this very day. Also note that XPA5-2315 "Runaway" and XPA5-2318 "Yesterday" were selected as masters but remained unreleased until the following year when they appeared on the "On Stage February 1970" LP. Doesn't this remind you of what RCA did with "It's Impossible" by recording/selecting as a master and holding back until the following year (1973) to release it on the "Elvis" (Fool) LP.

February 1970

ZPA5-1292 Don't Cry Daddy
ZPA5-1295 Kentucky Rain
ZPA5-1299 I Can't Stop Loving You
ZPA5-1286 All Shook Up
ZPA5-1287 In The Ghetto
ZPA5-1288 Suspicious Minds
ZPA5-1296 Long Tall Sally

August 1970

ZPA5-1866 Bridge Over Troubled Water

February 1972

BPA5-1142 Never Been To Spain
BPA5-1143 You Gave Me A Mountain
BPA5-1144 A Big Hunk O' Love
BPA5-1146 The Impossible Dream
BPA5-1148 It's Over

As you can see, Doc. there are quite a few masters that remained unreleased during Elvis' lifetime or remain unreleased to this very day.

By the way, Doc., why doesn't Ernst make this same assumption in his "A Life In Music" book? In fact he makes only passing reference to the "Standing Room Only" LP.

Daryl

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Doc, that's Peter Guralnick's writing, again speculative.

Your statement is ludicrous.

Peter Guralnick utilized EPE documentation and hundreds of first-person interviews in the creation of his award-winning, two-volume biography. If you had read either you might be aware of these non-speculative details. Oh, and the quote on page 455 derives from a 1989 interview with Mary Jarvis -- that's Felton's wife.

Felton -- or Joan Deary -- could rise from the dead to refute your bogus comments and it's almost certain you'd remain as addled as ever.

People on this MB have a choice -- buy the poop you're selling, or give more weight to Matthew and my input. Guess who they'll choose, Daryl?

See ya!

Hello,

Doc, what possibly would EPE have in it's archives that would link the February/March '72 recordings to the "Standing Room Only" LP. That type of information would be contained in the RCA archives, not the EPE archives.

And secondly, who cares what Mary Jarvis told Guralnick. By far and wide, her interview would have been no different than a third party distant recount of what the "Standing Room Only" LP should have been. Heck, if I knew Guralnick was going to go that far down the totem pole of people supposedly in the know, why did he stop with Mary Jarvis? Why didn't he go all the way to the bottom to Donna Early, Elvis' long lost cousin. Mary Jarvis' first priority at that time would have been the health of her husband, Felton, not the contents of Elvis' next album. If Guralnick wanted the truth why didn't he go straight to the horse's mouth, Joan Deary, the person who ultimately would have been responsible for the "Standing Room Only" LP, due to Felton's illness.


Doc. Carpenter wrote:

People on this MB have a choice -- buy the poop you're selling, or give more weight to Matthew and my input. Guess who they'll choose, Daryl?

Please, Doc., give it up. Why are you trying to draw a correlation between a poster's popularity on this messageboard and whether that poster is right or wrong? They are in fact two separate entities. I thought you would at least have the knowledge to be able to distinguish the two.

Daryl

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And so it continues....

Daryl's proud boast:

You can't stop me. You can only hope to contain me.

proves true.

A bit like Bindweed really and with similar results.

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Last edited by Steve_M on Sun May 27, 2007 6:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Hello,
Where exactly has anyone written that the "Standing Room Only" LP was to consist of the Feb. '72 masters and the March '72 studio recordings? How do you know for sure that the "Standing Room Only" LP would have used the Feb./Mar. '72 material?
Daryl

Roy Carr & Mick Farren. "Elvis. The Complete Illustrated Record." (1982), page 146.

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Alright, you win.

If we're going to finally resolve this dispute, we need to try a different tack. It seems to me that the main problem we are experiencing is that we're dealing with previously published material which inevitably lends itself to be challenged and dismissed as a matter of course.

What we need is someone with exclusive access to previously unknown sources / material which will settle this vitally important matter once and for all.

They helped us before on the 'Aloha thread,' we need them even more here--Delboy and Liverbobs where are you?

What instrument was "Joseph Esposito" playing ?

He was just there...Union related something..not particular of interest to me..but Joe was in a lot of sessions as guitar etc..but no ..he was no musician that participated.

Alright, you win.

If we're going to finally resolve this dispute, we need to try a different tack. It seems to me that the main problem we are experiencing is that we're dealing with previously published material which inevitably lends itself to be challenged and dismissed as a matter of course.

What we need is someone with exclusive access to previously unknown sources / material which will settle this vitally important matter once and for all.

They helped us before on the 'Aloha thread,' we need them even more here--Delboy and Liverbobs where are you?

On what book is that photocopy I posted?

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And so it continues....

Daryl's proud boast:

You can't stop me. You can only hope to contain me.

proves true.

A bit like Bindweed really and with similar results.

He's his own idol!