Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:36 pm
Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:48 am
Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:22 pm
Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:06 pm
Manhattoe wrote:Thanks for the response.
I started to ask myself whether the review would be read at all.
As for the liner notes there is no session that needs more elucidation than the one covered here on the CD's first part.
Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:04 pm
Manhattoe wrote:Obviously in good spirits, not even a dog – do I get that right? – that seemed to have been present and disturbed the recording, is able to distract him.
Manhattoe wrote:"[If he (Bones Howe)] didn’t mike this, he’ll get electrocuted?" (Unfortunately, the first part of the sentence is missing, and I filled it in. That’s why I put it into square brackets. Thus, other interpretations are not only allowed but also welcome.)
Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:24 am
Manhattoe wrote:In the summer of 1968, Elvis was hardly more than a former star, whose brightness had faded away some time ago ... The fame of past years had vanished.
Manhattoe wrote:Never before in his studio career did he work together with such a big orchestra.
Manhattoe wrote:Obviously in good spirits, not even a dog – do I get that right? – that seemed to have been present and disturbed the recording, is able to distract him.
Manhattoe wrote:The CD is either sloppily edited here (that would not be the first time), or Jorgensen (or whoever was in charge) tried to create a pseudo-continuity ...
Manhattoe wrote:Someone (is that the voice of Binder?) allows himself a joke, asking: "[If he (Bones Howe)] didn’t mike this, he’ll get electrocuted?" (Unfortunately, the first part of the sentence is missing, and I filled it in ...
Manhattoe wrote:At the start of track 8 ... Elvis imitates the instrumental intro of Trouble and sings “Are you horny tonight” to a melody I know from somewhere else.
Manhattoe wrote:Elvis intones the refrain of Leon Rene’s When the swallows come back to Capistrano, a song he often hummed, since other recordings from the years 1960, 1966 and 1970 have survived.
Manhattoe wrote:I was sursprised to find Where could I go but to the Lord at the beginning. In about six minutes, filled with a rehearsal and take 1, we hear less from Elvis than from Darlene Love who completes two takes of Sometimes I feel like a motherless child.
Manhattoe wrote:If I can dream ... Even the false start (take 3) is interesting, because the guitar is slightly off-harmony here ...
Manhattoe wrote:The last 24 minutes of the CD are reserved for the first of two informal sessions which Elvis hedl ... in order to come to terms with his stage fright in sight of his live performances a few days later ...
Manhattoe wrote:... although this jam session allows a gaze behind the scenery, it does not elucidate the making of the TV Special, since the recordings at Western were already finished.
Manhattoe wrote:Consequently, FTD has failed again ... We hear almost nothing from the communication between als Elvis and the engineers/musicians, although ... one can be sure there was a lot of studio talk.
Manhattoe wrote:There seems to have existed no concept for packaging, too. First, with two out of three images the cover puts too much visual emphasis on the jam session. Second, the Elvis logo recalls his gospel albums. But, most deplorable of all, is the lack of even the most basic liner notes ...
Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:50 am
Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:51 am
Binder was actually going to run a camera in the dressing room at first, but later decided to use the NBC-TV stage instead.
Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:04 am
Dan_T wrote:Binder wanted to film the rehearsals but.Parker would not allow that ...
Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:23 am
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Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:39 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:Dan_T wrote:Binder wanted to film the rehearsals but.Parker would not allow that ...
What is your source on this? It is known that Parker put his foot down on was the inclusion of "Blue Christmas" after seeing a rough edit of the special in July. Sadly, that meant the unreal version of "Tiger Man" had to be dropped. Otherwise, that show was all Steve and Elvis.
Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:35 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:And Ernst's track order is meant to please the ear, and flow as an album -- no more, no less.
drjohncarpenter wrote:That said, June of 1968 marks one of Elvis' greatest periods as a recording artist, and his vocals are INCREDIBLE, which makes these outtakes a cut above the rest.
drjohncarpenter wrote:This is extreme to the point of being untrue.
Manhattoe wrote:Never before in his studio career did he work together with such a big orchestra.drjohncarpenter wrote:Again, not true! Elvis worked in the same studio with a live orchestra when taping his "Live A Little, Love A Little" soundtrack sessions in March 1968.
Manhattoe wrote:Obviously in good spirits, not even a dog – do I get that right? – that seemed to have been present and disturbed the recording, is able to distract him.drjohncarpenter wrote:No, this was just a joke -- there was no dog in Western Recorders.
Manhattoe wrote:The CD is either sloppily edited here (that would not be the first time), or Jorgensen (or whoever was in charge) tried to create a pseudo-continuity ...drjohncarpenter wrote:Unless you have heard ALL the tapes, this observation is not valid.
Manhattoe wrote:At the start of track 8 ... Elvis imitates the instrumental intro of Trouble and sings “Are you horny tonight” to a melody I know from somewhere else.drjohncarpenter wrote:That's a playful joke by Elvis on his #1 single from 1960, "Are You Lonesome Tonight?"
Manhattoe wrote:was sursprised to find Where could I go but to the Lord at the beginning. In about six minutes, filled with a rehearsal and take 1, we hear less from Elvis than from Darlene Love who completes two takes of Sometimes I feel like a motherless child.drjohncarpenter wrote: ... And Darlene's "moment" consumes barely 1:47 of the 5:53 track time. That's over four minutes of Elvis, music or studio chatter.
Manhattoe wrote:The last 24 minutes of the CD are reserved for the first of two informal sessions which Elvis hedl ... in order to come to terms with his stage fright in sight of his live performances a few days later ...drjohncarpenter wrote:No, these jams were taped because Steve Binder thought they might be used in the special somehow. Binder was actually going to run a camera in the dressing room at first, but later decided to use the NBC-TV stage instead.
drjohncarpenter wrote:And to state that "FTD has failed again" is bullcrap.
Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:25 am
Manhattoe wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:And Ernst's track order is meant to please the ear, and flow as an album -- no more, no less.
Well, it doesn't. That's the problem.
Manhattoe wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:That said, June of 1968 marks one of Elvis' greatest periods as a recording artist, and his vocals are INCREDIBLE, which makes these outtakes a cut above the rest.
I did not say a word against that.
Manhattoe wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:This is extreme to the point of being untrue.
If it is, why then did Elvis' sales drop to bottom in the two years preceding the Special? Why then did nobody care about him when he stepped on Sunset Boulevard? And why then, after the Special had been broadcast, were the reactions of critics and audience full of surprise. And, finally, when then do we talk about the Special as the Comeback Special at all?
Don't tell me, Elvis was big star in 1968, as big as in the pre-army period or shortly after.
Manhattoe wrote:The orchestra used in March is not as half as big than that playing in the Special (with nearly 60 musicians being involved). Just listen to the horn section and the background singers. Sorry, but my statement is true, again.
Manhattoe wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:That's a playful joke by Elvis on his #1 single from 1960, "Are You Lonesome Tonight?"
Really? You're sure about that?
Manhattoe wrote:FTD calls itself a collector's label. It's time they behave like one again.
Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:40 am
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:53 am
boppin bob wrote:I agree with the Doc. This came across more as a nit picking and a poor second guessing exercise than a review :roll:
Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:11 pm
Manhattoe wrote:
Quote:
At the start of track 8 ... Elvis imitates the instrumental intro of Trouble and sings “Are you horny tonight” to a melody I know from somewhere else.
drjohncarpenter wrote:
That's a playful joke by Elvis on his #1 single from 1960, "Are You Lonesome Tonight?"
Manhattoe wrote:
Really? You're sure about that?![]()
Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:18 pm
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Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:13 am
thekingisalive wrote:Manhattoe, your review is flawed in many ways, as the Doc has pointed out. I have to agree with the Doc on this, because he is right.
Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:59 am
Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:18 am
Manhattoe wrote:However, what I don't understand is that, on the one hand, you are so keen about the "true" facts, and, on the other hand, you do not seem to care, for example, about the sloppy way in which the cover was put together. After all, it presents information incompatible with Jorgensen's session book. Is it asked too much from a collector's label to get a few explantory notes that would resolve such inconsistencies?
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