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Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:31 am

my impression is of 'severe colon blockage' so it must have eased by the final show at least :?

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:48 pm

Lonely Summer wrote:I have never seen anyone look as obese, sick, or near death as the Elvis of 1977. Especially in Springfield. It's amazing he didn't OD right there on stage.


hahaha lonely summer, You'd almost say its a wonder elvis didnt went through the stage hey? :D

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:16 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
GetLow wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
shawn wrote:The smaller pictures don't look so bad. The large one looks like it's in a bad light or something .

Maybe all the photos from 1977 are "in a bad light"?

shawn wrote:The place it was held-- "a packed house of 8700" .It would indeed be considered packed.

Right.

And it's sad that the most famous singer of the 20th century was playing one-nighters to "packed" arenas of 8700 people in second- and third-tier cities like Springfield, MO.


Dear me. What's your point?


My point is Elvis Presley's life and career are best appreciated from a reality-based viewpoint. It denigrates his memory to put him on a pedestal, or view his lesser moments through rose-colored glasses.

So, to that end, when I see something like that, I try to redress the balance. I hope that doesn't bother you too much. ;-)


I don't wear rose-colored glasses concerning elvis. Never have never will. I'm a grown woman with NO teen-aged girl stupid fantasies. I guess I just choose to see the better performances and ACCEPT the worst ones. He was only human. I haven't seen 1 performer give all great performances. Truth is that he was worn out & very consumed. Tragedy, yes, but you can't rewrite history. I don't want to rewrite his body of work. Just celebrate the greatness and accept the rest.

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:35 pm

Johnny2523 wrote:
Lonely Summer wrote:I have never seen anyone look as obese, sick, or near death as the Elvis of 1977. Especially in Springfield. It's amazing he didn't OD right there on stage.


hahaha lonely summer, You'd almost say its a wonder elvis didnt went through the stage hey? :D

Yeah, it's amazing the stage didn't collapse from the weight of that obese drug addict.

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:35 pm

Lonely Summer wrote:Yeah, it's amazing the stage didn't collapse from the weight of that obese drug addict.
Phew, I just dodged a bullet... I almost posted some new photos from this show to this thread... :roll:

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:41 pm

I think Lonely was being sarcastic

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:53 am

Francesc wrote:I think Lonely was being sarcastic



I hope he was..., IF they were serious, those kind of comments are over the top and totally unnecessary.

rlj

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:20 am

Come on guys, Elvis doesn't look that bad in the footage. I think he looks pretty good in it and far from "obese, sick, or near death" looking person ever. I love Elvis - 1935 through 1977.

As far mocking Elvis' venue sizes in 1977, let's dig a little deeper and note:

Chicago (2 shows) - 40,000 people
Charlotte (2 shows) - 24,000 people
Hollywood Florida - 15,500 people
Columbia- 20,000 people
Alexandria (2 shows) - 30,000 people
Baton Rouge - 15,000 people
Detroit - 14,500 people
Philadelphia - 18,850 people
Kansas City - 17,000 people
Cincinnati - 16,795 people
Indianapolis - 18,000 people

Let's show Elvis some respect and stop mocking his legacy so often. Aren't we supposed to be fans?

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:02 am

sherrlon12 wrote:Come on guys, Elvis doesn't look that bad in the footage. I think he looks pretty good in it and far from "obese, sick, or near death" looking person ever. I love Elvis - 1935 through 1977.

As far mocking Elvis' venue sizes in 1977, let's dig a little deeper ...


Please, don't go there.

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:44 pm

sherrlon12 wrote:Come on guys, Elvis doesn't look that bad in the footage. I think he looks pretty good in it and far from "obese, sick, or near death" looking person ever. I love Elvis - 1935 through 1977.

As far mocking Elvis' venue sizes in 1977, let's dig a little deeper and note:

Chicago (2 shows) - 40,000 people
Charlotte (2 shows) - 24,000 people
Hollywood Florida - 15,500 people
Columbia- 20,000 people
Alexandria (2 shows) - 30,000 people
Baton Rouge - 15,000 people
Detroit - 14,500 people
Philadelphia - 18,850 people
Kansas City - 17,000 people
Cincinnati - 16,795 people
Indianapolis - 18,000 people

Let's show Elvis some respect and stop mocking his legacy so often. Aren't we supposed to be fans?


Agree Elvis played the same key cities as all other rock acts including San Francisco, Houston (;) Chicago, Philly, Miami and even Nassau, NY.
I do think Elvis shouldn't have been in Saginaw, Abilene and some other places with 6-8000 seaters.

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:34 pm

I think Elvis should have been places like Boring, Oregon, or Humptulips, Washington - he could've easily filled up 100 seats at those places, and maybe even gotten a starstruck review from the local paper. But keep him out of the major markets, the world at large didn't need to know that The King had turned into The Lice Infested, Stinky, Smelly 2000 Pound Beast.

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:37 pm

Lonely Summer wrote:I have never seen anyone look as obese, sick, or near death as the Elvis of 1977. Especially in Springfield. It's amazing he didn't OD right there on stage.


He didn't look "near death." That's just hindsight talking.

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:54 pm

Lonely Summer wrote:I think Elvis should have been places like Boring, Oregon, or Humptulips, Washington - he could've easily filled up 100 seats at those places, and maybe even gotten a starstruck review from the local paper. But keep him out of the major markets, the world at large didn't need to know that The King had turned into The Lice Infested, Stinky, Smelly 2000 Pound Beast.

Man, you're funny and clever! That's what you were hoping to hear, right? I can just hear you snickering away...

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:00 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Lonely Summer wrote:I have never seen anyone look as obese, sick, or near death as the Elvis of 1977. Especially in Springfield. It's amazing he didn't OD right there on stage.


He didn't look "near death." That's just hindsight talking.


I think this is an interesting point. To my eyes Elvis looked physically horrifying in 1977. But as pointed out that's probably hindsight talking. I think it's interesting that someone like Alicia Kerwin, who saw Elvis during this period, described him as "heavy, but other than that he looked very good." When 10-year-old Monique Brave was asked what her impressions of Elvis were when she met him she said, "He was so handsome."

It makes me wonder if he really looked all that bad. Or am I letting the 1968-1969 "Greek God" image of Elvis taint my jugement. :?

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:10 pm

Lonely Summer wrote:I have never seen anyone look as obese, sick, or near death as the Elvis of 1977. Especially in Springfield. It's amazing he didn't OD right there on stage.

Oh my. Seriously, if people didn't know what was going on nobody would write stuff like that and that its sad to see etc. A short videoclip with no sound and you can see only Elvis from far away - and still thinks it sad?? You make me laugh.
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Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:12 pm

Robert wrote:
sherrlon12 wrote:Come on guys, Elvis doesn't look that bad in the footage. I think he looks pretty good in it and far from "obese, sick, or near death" looking person ever. I love Elvis - 1935 through 1977.

As far mocking Elvis' venue sizes in 1977, let's dig a little deeper and note:

Chicago (2 shows) - 40,000 people
Charlotte (2 shows) - 24,000 people
Hollywood Florida - 15,500 people
Columbia- 20,000 people
Alexandria (2 shows) - 30,000 people
Baton Rouge - 15,000 people
Detroit - 14,500 people
Philadelphia - 18,850 people
Kansas City - 17,000 people
Cincinnati - 16,795 people
Indianapolis - 18,000 people

Let's show Elvis some respect and stop mocking his legacy so often. Aren't we supposed to be fans?


Agree Elvis played the same key cities as all other rock acts including San Francisco, Houston (;) Chicago, Philly, Miami and even Nassau, NY.
I do think Elvis shouldn't have been in Saginaw, Abilene and some other places with 6-8000 seaters.


But you know, that's where his fan base was in those small markets. It's probably where most of his record sales were from in those days and I bet they were his most enthusiastic crowds. We are talking 35 plus years ago. 6-8000 was a pretty respectable crowd. 16-20,000 was huge. It's not like he was only playing 1200 seat theaters and having trouble selling them out.

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:13 pm

InheritTheWind wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Lonely Summer wrote:I have never seen anyone look as obese, sick, or near death as the Elvis of 1977. Especially in Springfield. It's amazing he didn't OD right there on stage.


He didn't look "near death." That's just hindsight talking.


I think this is an interesting point. To my eyes Elvis looked physically horrifying in 1977. But as pointed out that's probably hindsight talking. I think it's interesting that someone like Alicia Kerwin, who saw Elvis during this period, described him as "heavy, but other than that he looked very good." When 10-year-old Monique Brave was asked what her impressions of Elvis were when she met him she said, "He was so handsome."

It makes me wonder if he really looked all that bad. Or am I letting the 1968-1969 "Greek God" image of Elvis taint my jugement. :?


One thing Elvis never lost was his charisma, on stage or off. It was what got him through most of the poor shows in 1976-77. But most recognized his health was not what it should have been at that time.

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:26 pm

Xaykev wrote:
Lonely Summer wrote:I have never seen anyone look as obese, sick, or near death as the Elvis of 1977. Especially in Springfield. It's amazing he didn't OD right there on stage.

Oh my. Seriously, if people didn't know what was going on nobody would write stuff like that and that its sad to see etc. A short videoclip with no sound and you can see only Elvis from far away - and still thinks it sad?? You make me laugh.

You obviously didn't get the real meaning of Lonely Summer's post.

Put the gun down, step away, lie on the ground and put your hands behind your back.

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:39 pm

sherrlon12 wrote:Come on guys, Elvis doesn't look that bad in the footage. I think he looks pretty good in it and far from "obese, sick, or near death" looking person ever. I love Elvis - 1935 through 1977.

As far mocking Elvis' venue sizes in 1977, let's dig a little deeper and note:

Chicago (2 shows) - 40,000 people
Charlotte (2 shows) - 24,000 people
Hollywood Florida - 15,500 people
Columbia- 20,000 people
Alexandria (2 shows) - 30,000 people
Baton Rouge - 15,000 people
Detroit - 14,500 people
Philadelphia - 18,850 people
Kansas City - 17,000 people
Cincinnati - 16,795 people


Indianapolis - 18,000 people

Let's show Elvis some respect and stop mocking his legacy so often. Aren't we supposed to be fans?



The figure for Columbia is wrong. The Carolina Coliseum had a concert capacity of about 12,400. Still, a good sized place, but not a 20,000 seat gargantua.

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:52 pm

Pete Dube wrote:
sherrlon12 wrote:Come on guys, Elvis doesn't look that bad in the footage. I think he looks pretty good in it and far from "obese, sick, or near death" looking person ever. I love Elvis - 1935 through 1977.

As far mocking Elvis' venue sizes in 1977, let's dig a little deeper and note:

Chicago (2 shows) - 40,000 people
Charlotte (2 shows) - 24,000 people
Hollywood Florida - 15,500 people
Columbia- 20,000 people
Alexandria (2 shows) - 30,000 people
Baton Rouge - 15,000 people
Detroit - 14,500 people
Philadelphia - 18,850 people
Kansas City - 17,000 people
Cincinnati - 16,795 people


Indianapolis - 18,000 people

Let's show Elvis some respect and stop mocking his legacy so often. Aren't we supposed to be fans?



The figure for Columbia is wrong. The Carolina Coliseum had a concert capacity of about 12,400. Still, a good sized place, but not a 20,000 seat gargantua.


Maybe 7,600 sat on the stage. ;-)

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:59 am

>>But you know, that's where his fan base was in those small markets. It's probably where most of his record sales were from in those days and I bet they were his most enthusiastic crowds. We are talking 35 plus years ago. 6-8000 was a pretty respectable crowd. 16-20,000 was huge. It's not like he was only playing 1200 seat theaters and having trouble selling them out.[/quote]

That's a great point. The first "modern" venue in Georgia for concerts and events was built in Macon in 1968 and holds approximately 10,000 people for concerts. And this venue was state of the art for it's time. Elvis, the Jackson 5, Led Zepplin, Chicago, the Allman Brothers, Otis Redding, and multiple big name acts played that venue back in the 70s. Today it's obsolete and it seems funny to think of those acts at the Macon Coliseum. But back in the day it was the place to play!

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:21 am

Some of you are missing the point about the tour stops Elvis made in 1976-1977.

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:08 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:Some of you are missing the point about the tour stops Elvis made in 1976-1977.

Would you really have wanted the Elvis of 1977 strutting his stuff onstage at Madison Square Garden?

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:52 am

Parker booked Elvis very cleverly. The venues were quite huge, but still his artist (or what was left of him) was not in the spotlight of the general public.

Re: Springfield June 17 1977 footage

Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:23 am

YDKM wrote:my impression is of 'severe colon blockage' so it must have eased by the final show at least :?


Pain medication will cause that.