Cleveland Footage already at 1000 EURO LOL

[Ciscoking]

When we have it on a fine box in a few months you know that something went wrong... ...

[robbie]

Further info from the seller following my asking for more details about the footage:

I collect 8mm/super 8 films of elvis since a long time, I have gathered a lot of footage over the years and sometimes I have to say goodbye to a few reels, but and that is very important, i buy some new reels instead.Normally I would prefer to trade, but nowadays it is hard to find trustworthy collectors, I know a few, but not many. So I am thinking if somebody understands that this film is really one of its kind, they also would bid quite high, which seams to be the case, which is good as far as the handling of that film in the aftermath is concerned.
What i mean by this is; somebody who spends a good ammount of money on such a film, would not put it up on youtube, or do any other thing with it like that. After all, I prefer that those films either remain in private hands, or will be released in a worthy boxset, you know not in some homemade thing, with unsynch sound, if you know what i mean.It is also fine with me that you posted my answer on the fecc board, no problem at all. I assume that some ppl think there might be something wrong with that film, but the truth is, everything is perfectly fine with that film, the only wrong thing is the date on the reel can, it says July 19th, but the correct date is July 18th.
I also want to assure you, this film is the real thing, sure I could say this in order to make you want to buy it, but that is not why I am saying this, many ppl have wrote me, some even very nasty, they even made ebay take it down before, they told ebay it was a copy of a TAPE, as in a video tape, which of course it is not. It is sad how mean some ppl can be, after all it destroys everything, because it is not only about me selling that film, it is also about all of us being able to buy and sell those original super 8 reels if we want to. I have bought and sold many of my films via ebay and i want to be able to do that in the future too.
Here are some more facts about it, (regarding copies) there are only a handfull of companies who even can do that nowadays, one is in holland and the other one I know is in berlin (andec), I actually wanted to make a copy from a film (not THAT film) and I was told that a copy of 50FT including 2 copies would cost approx 500-600 Euros, that means a copy of 300ft would cost 3000-3600 euros which in itselfs explains how ignorant such a notion is.Sure 30 years ago one could get a contact copy for a lot less, but that was 30 years or even longer ago, those times are done. Hell, I have got some MSG films, if it was so cheap and easy to copy those things, I could just make me 4-5 copies of each of my films and make a living like that, but unfortunately this is not the case, i have to work to make money and I have to sell the original money to buy some new films, after all money does not grow on trees. It is remarkable that ppl come to such wierd conclusion, one cant help but to wonder if they would do those things if they had any rare footage and therefore think anybody else is like them too, sort of a projection thing. But in order to even get some rare footage one needs to invest money, time and a lot of energy, because those films, as you know, are rare, or hard to get, but for that some ppl have no patience, or they are too lazy, the only thing left is to rain on other ppls parades, if u know what i mean.

Thank you R2-D2 very interesting

[merry77]

Exactly.

You are buying a copy and there's no law in the world that would protect you if this hd transfer suddenly becomes available. I'm out.

For me personnally the seller is only selling a copy of the footage.

He has made a copy from the original and also a transfer from the original and he is only selling the copy.

I have spoken with some friends about it and it's the only reason why he don't give the HD transfer.

[Robert]

Exactly.

You are buying a copy and there's no law in the world that would protect you if this hd transfer suddenly becomes available. I'm out.

For me personnally the seller is only selling a copy of the footage.

He has made a copy from the original and also a transfer from the original and he is only selling the copy.

I have spoken with some friends about it and it's the only reason why he don't give the HD transfer.

The seller explains it's the original film, not a copy, right?

[R2-D2]

[/quote]The seller explains it's the original film, not a copy, right?[/quote]

Correct!!

[Phil]

Exactly.

You are buying a copy and there's no law in the world that would protect you if this hd transfer suddenly becomes available. I'm out.

For me personnally the seller is only selling a copy of the footage.

He has made a copy from the original and also a transfer from the original and he is only selling the copy.

I have spoken with some friends about it and it's the only reason why he don't give the HD transfer.

The seller explains it's the original film, not a copy, right?

Yes of course but the seller will never say that it's a copy. If he say that it's a copy the price will go down.

Saying that we can't duplicate a super 8 footage it's not really true and also the copy can have been made 30 years ago.

Sorry but I never trust a seller who use another name to make the bid higher and higher.

That's my opinion unless somebody can give me a valable reason why the seller doesn't give a copy of the DVD or the bluray with the super 8 footage.

[robbie]

Exactly.

You are buying a copy and there's no law in the world that would protect you if this hd transfer suddenly becomes available. I'm out.

For me personnally the seller is only selling a copy of the footage.

He has made a copy from the original and also a transfer from the original and he is only selling the copy.

I have spoken with some friends about it and it's the only reason why he don't give the HD transfer.

The seller explains it's the original film, not a copy, right?

Yes of course but the seller will never say that it's a copy. If he say that it's a copy the price will go down.

Saying that we can't duplicate a super 8 footage it's not really true and also the copy can have been made 30 years ago.

Sorry but I never trust a seller who use another name to make the bid higher and higher.

That's my opinion unless somebody can give me a valable reason why the seller doesn't give a copy of the DVD or the bluray with the super 8 footage.

Where and when did he say you can't duplicate super 8 thats false, and the seller is selling the original film only, the buyer will have to get his own copy to dvd made

[Phil]

Where and when did he say you can't duplicate super 8

Read all the text and not only a part.

and the seller is selling the original film only, the buyer will have to get his own copy to dvd made

Yes he sells only the footage because his hd transfer is made from the original and that he sells only the copy.

Repeating what the seller says is not an argument.

[robbie]

Where and when did he say you can't duplicate super 8

Read all the text and not only a part.

and the seller is selling the original film only, the buyer will have to get his own copy to dvd made

Yes he sells only the footage because his hd transfer is made from the original and that he sells only the copy.

Repeating what the seller says is not an argument.

You can still copy a 8mm to 8mm but this is what he said

I actually wanted to make a copy from a film (not THAT film) and I was told that a copy of 50FT including 2 copies would cost approx 500-600 Euros, that means a copy of 300ft would cost 3000-3600 euros which in itselfs explains how ignorant such a notion is

He dose not sell a copy but only the original 8mm

[Phil]

You can repeat ad vitam aeternam the publicity for the seller it doesn't change anything.

You still don't give any argument against mine

[robbie]

i try again 1, he states NO 8mm COPYS were ever made and the cost to make a 8mm to 8mm is too high cost = the only 8mm and the original film not a copy

2, He has a HD transfer not inculed

Please point out where im wrong

[Phil]

Ok I forget that you thing that the seller is GOD himself and that he only says the truth.

I know some store that can make a duplicate of a super 8 roll of 20 minutes for around 500 euros.

and repeating that the HD transfer os not included doesn't help as I can read and I know it.

I just give you the reason why he doesn't give the transfer and you don't give any argument against that.

[robbie]

Ok I forget that you thing that the seller is GOD himself and that he only says the truth.

I know some store that can make a duplicate of a super 8 roll of 20 minutes for around 500 euros.

and repeating that the HD transfer os not included doesn't help as I can read and I know it.

I just give you the reason why he doesn't give the transfer and you don't give any argument against that.

Phil, you are a member since January 2006, thats means you have been a member for almost 8 years!!!

In 8 years you have made 300 post only, that means you made about 37,5 post per year!

This years average posting (like all the previous years) ammount is according to math 37,5, from those 37,5 postings you dedicated 11 postings, that is almost 33 % (or a third) of you anual posting ammount on this ONE THREAD!

33% (tendency increasing) of your annual postings were done in 3 days on only ONE thread!

Now, those are all irefutable facts, everybody can double check and will come to the same conclusion.

I do not want to tell you where, when & how you suppose to post, but this very topic must have a huge impact on you, in that regard, I take the freedom to ask you this:

What is so fascinating about some footage you dont even believe is real, or original? Are you some sort of Elvis FBI?

Do you have a problem with the seller?

How can you be so sure about what are you saying, yet you do not give any evidence whatsoever? (even the FBI needs evidence, you obviously dont)

... all we hear is your opinion.

You raise more questions about yourself and your intentions than you solve by accusing others of wrong doing without having a shred of evidence.

Pls be so kind and answer those questions, thank you in advance.

[Phil]

Phil, you are a member since January 2006, thats means you have been a member for almost 8 years!!!

In 8 years you have made 300 post only, that means you made about 37,5 post per year!

This years average posting (like all the previous years) ammount is according to math 37,5, from those 37,5 postings you dedicated 11 postings, that is almost 33 % (or a third) of you anual posting ammount on this ONE THREAD!

33% (tendency increasing) of your annual postings were done in 3 days on only ONE thread!

Now, those are all irefutable facts, everybody can double check and will come to the same conclusion.

I will spend the night to try to see the relation between those fact and the selling of this footage.

So for you if we have less than 978 post we can't have any opinion.

Well well strange behavior.

Do you have a problem with the seller?

No not at all but with your acharnement to always repeat the seller's words without any argument we can think that your are really pretty close to the seller or even the seller himself.

How can you be so sure about what are you saying, yet you do not give any evidence whatsoever?

I can return the question have you any evidence that the seller says the truth?. At least I have give you a fact that can explain but I don't say it's the absolute truth.

There is only the truth hurts

Personnally I would prefer that you gave me a valable argument that I'm wrong but until now you gave nothing.

all we hear is your opinion

All we hear is the repeating words of the seller.

What I can see is that I am not alone to think that it's a copy.

Wish I'm wrong.

[robbie]

Ok I forget that you thing that the seller is GOD himself and that he only says the truth.

I know some store that can make a duplicate of a super 8 roll of 20 minutes for around 500 euros.

and repeating that the HD transfer os not included doesn't help as I can read and I know it.

I just give you the reason why he doesn't give the transfer and you don't give any argument against that.

Please can you give me details of the place you know that makes 8mm copys like name web address where they are based so on and are they contact copys

Thanks Phil

[Phil]

Another point not in the favor of the seller.

He says:

The former auction was deleted by ebay, because some *sshole reported me, as if that item was illegal, which it is not.

Unless the guy has send him an email with his name address and telephone (what I really doubt on the higher point) he can't know the idendity of the person who has reported.

And more it's stricktly forbidden to publish name and address of somebody on a public place.

It's all elements that give less confidence.

[R2-D2]

Back in the 1970/80’s I had a collection of Elvis movies on Super 8mm from various sources. Before the days of home video the only way to obtain Elvis footage was to either film his movies from a TV screen or pay steep prices for rare footage available from other UK collectors and dealers (ie. Rex Martin, Compact Records). Regent Films in Blackpool later offered some great Elvis footage (Dorseys shows, movies, trailers, press conferences). Derann Films of Dudley were also great suppliers of Elvis movies on the 8mm format. Fifties TV appearances were imported from several dealers in the USA.

I also filmed many song clips from a TV screen and swapped live footage with other collectors all for screening to other fans and at many local fan club events. Any footage I filmed myself came on 50 foot reels and could be spliced together to compile a 200, 400 or 600 foot reel of song clips or even (as I know another collector has done) splice film from two cameras to put a complete movie together.

The maximum footage reel available for a Super 8mm camera was 50 foot (although 100 foot cartridges became available for certain cameras I think in the 1980’s) so if I wanted to make a reel of clips lasting longer than 3.5 minutes I had to splice all the reels together using either a special liquid glue or transparent paper splices.The film would then be sent to a specialist lab to have a magnetic strip applied down the side allowing audio to be dubbed onto the film.

I contacted the seller and he states this footage HAS 5 SPLICES. Work it out.

Super 8mm film shot from an amateur camera films at 18 frames per second while footage from a professional source or copied from professional footage runs at 24 frames a second.

This footage runs at 18 frames a second.

Further, the seller states it is not a contact print. Contact copying, while slightly cheaper to produce, leaves you with a copy which is extremely difficult to add sound onto as the magnetic strip does not always adhere to the surface of the film. Not a popular choice if you want to add music to the film.

While I cannot speak for whether the seller has made another Super 8mm copy (at great expense) or whether, as it seems, he has made a DVD/Blu-Ray copy for himself I would feel comfortable stating this appears to be an original piece of film. If it is a copy then each 50 foot of original film would have had to be copied separately (at even greater expense) before being painstakingly spliced together onto this 300 foot reel.

[robbie]

Back in the 1970/80’s I had a collection of Elvis movies on Super 8mm from various sources. Before the days of home video the only way to obtain Elvis footage was to either film his movies from a TV screen or pay steep prices for rare footage available from other UK collectors and dealers (ie. Rex Martin, Compact Records). Regent Films in Blackpool later offered some great Elvis footage (Dorseys shows, movies, trailers, press conferences). Derann Films of Dudley were also great suppliers of Elvis movies on the 8mm format. Fifties TV appearances were imported from several dealers in the USA.

I also filmed many song clips from a TV screen and swapped live footage with other collectors all for screening to other fans and at many local fan club events. Any footage I filmed myself came on 50 foot reels and could be spliced together to compile a 200, 400 or 600 foot reel of song clips or even (as I know another collector has done) splice film from two cameras to put a complete movie together.

The maximum footage reel available for a Super 8mm camera was 50 foot (although 100 foot cartridges became available for certain cameras I think in the 1980’s) so if I wanted to make a reel of clips lasting longer than 3.5 minutes I had to splice all the reels together using either a special liquid glue or transparent paper splices.The film would then be sent to a specialist lab to have a magnetic strip applied down the side allowing audio to be dubbed onto the film.

I contacted the seller and he states this footage HAS 5 SPLICES. Work it out.

Super 8mm film shot from an amateur camera films at 18 frames per second while footage from a professional source or copied from professional footage runs at 24 frames a second.

This footage runs at 18 frames a second.

Further, the seller states it is not a contact print. Contact copying, while slightly cheaper to produce, leaves you with a copy which is extremely difficult to add sound onto as the magnetic strip does not always adhere to the surface of the film. Not a popular choice if you want to add music to the film.

While I cannot speak for whether the seller has made another Super 8mm copy (at great expense) or whether, as it seems, he has made a DVD/Blu-Ray copy for himself I would feel comfortable stating this appears to be an original piece of film. If it is a copy then each 50 foot of original film would have had to be copied separately (at even greater expense) before being painstakingly spliced together onto this 300 foot reel.

Good points R2-D2 you know your stuff

[Phil]

It doesn't convince me at all.

So I still don't know if I will go in or not

[Ciscoking]

I wait till the dvd comes out in a few weeks....

[robbie]

It doesn't convince me at all.

So I still don't know if I will go in or not

I don't know what would

[YDKM]

wow E1,219 by bidder y***u(226)... interesting price.... hope it is all worthwhile to them~!

[merry77]

did someone out here get it??

[keninlincs]

Lucky seller,got a good price

[sitdown revamped]

The wife wouldn't let me spend the money....

you have a good wife then... what is 22 min. of footage worth in food, that's more important these days.