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Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 3:30 pm

Ciscoking wrote:
BrianTCB wrote:(snip)
I will need to watch it again and catalog them in complete detail, if you'd like me to do that Cisco!


That would be fantastic..also please catalog the intros...what is real..? / fake ? / incomplete ? / edited..?

Thank you !!!


Here you go, Cisco!!! Comparison of TFC vs. Elvis In Concert vs. Other Releases in detail :)

1. Backstage Footage
Elvis receives a plaque from the Mayor of Rapid City as recognition of being the first concert in the new auditorium, and Monique Brave provides Elvis with the "Medallion of Life". Nothing different/extended in this version of the footage. Also shows Vernon, Dee, and Ginger. You can see Elvis using his asthma inhaler before he exits the dressing room.

As the footage transitions to Elvis waiting while the 2001 theme plays, it changes in quality. The blurred out timer is removed and looks like footage from This Is Elvis in TIE quality is used.

2. See See Rider
Nothing different/notable about the C.C. Rider footage - same camera angles/performance that we all know and love. And the usual false start. Completely unedited with 6/21 footage.

3. I Got A Woman/Amen
No notable difference in this version - same performance/camera angles we are all familiar with.

4. That's All Right
New camera angle/shots of Elvis are used from 19:08 - 19:18 instead of the usual shots featuring fans clapping along to the music. (unlike in the CBS special). Definitely not footage from This Is Elvis.

5. Are You Lonesome Tonight
This is definitely not footage from This Is Elvis. Looks like another source was used since quality does not change much, and there's a blurred out time code. It is the exact same camera angles we are all familiar with from This Is Elvis, however.

6. Love Me
27:04 - 27:35 looks entirely new, and you can notice at least two different cameras setup recording in different locations all throughout Love Me.

7. If You Love Me (Let Me Know)
Seems to have new camera angles. I don't have a prior release of this footage to compare it with.

8. You Gave Me a Mountain
31:20-31:30 - Different camera angle than used in CBS special
32:36 - 32:55 - Different camera angles than used in CBS special
Most of YGMM has different camera angles.
In the original CBS special, YGMM only features full body shots of Elvis in a couple spots, unlike the alternate version on this DVD which uses more full body shots than close ups.

9. Jailhouse Rock
35:01 - 35:06 is completely different than in CBS special. Elvis is filmed from the shoulder up, rather than from the waist up
35:56 - 36:01 (the ending) is a completely new angle than in the CBS special

10. O Sole Mio/It's Now Or Never
Never before seen in official channels, but seen on prior unofficial escapes. In prior escapes there is footage of Sherrill Nielsen himself singing O Sole` Mio. In this DVD, the footage only shows Elvis goofing off while Sherrill sings.

11. Trying To Get to You
40:04 - 40:35 - Seems like completely new footage/camera angles. Elvis says "My dad likes this and my girlfriend Ginger likes this". Interesting note: 'my girlfriend Ginger likes this' was edited out of the official RCA release of EIC the album. Footage has never before been seen in official channels.

12. Hawaiian Wedding Song
Looks to be the same camera angle we know and love (not sure). Never before seen in official channels.

13. Teddy Bear/Don't Be Cruel
Unlike the CBS Special, which features splices between 6/19 & 6/21, the entire performance from 6/21/1977 is, of course, featured here. Never before seen in official channels. This Is Elvis had Teddy Bear/DBC from 6/19.

14. My Way
48:12 - 48:28 - Close ups of Elvis introducing My Way is completely new. Then it cuts to the usual far away intro footage and This Is Elvis quality footage of Elvis singing My Way. Instead of the usual cut through pieces of Elvis' life, it's the whole song. This footage may be from an early generation copy of the CBS special.

15. Introductions
53:29 - 54:00 - footage is totally new. Elvis talks about how he first met JD Sumner, and about one of the first times he saw him on stage.
John Wilkinson - Elvis intros him but solo is edited out
James Burton - Elvis intros him but solo is edited out
Ronnie Tutt - Elvis intros him but solo is edited out
Jerry Scheff - Elvis intros him but solo is edited out
Tony Brown - Elvis intros him but solo is edited out
I Really Don't Want To Know - Totally new camera angle from 58:28 - 58:38
Bobby Ogdin - Elvis intros him - solo is intact - Elvis scats to solo
Elvis Introduces Charlie Hodge
Joe Guercio - Hail Hail Rock 'n' Roll
What'd I Say - Missing
1:01:05 - 1:01:30 - Completely new angle as orchestra solo starts, then cuts to the usual shots of the orchestra solo.

16. Intro of Vernon Presley
1:02:51-1:03:17 - Seems like a completely new camera angle/edited portion
You can see a second camera filming the same sequence behind Elvis.

17. Hurt
1:03:36 - 1:03:43 - Completely new angle and intro not featured on any release - "One of my latest Hurts was record - records was Hurt".
1:04:07 - 1:05:15 - Completely new camera angle - Elvis is on the right almost through the entire song, then Ginger fades in on the left at the usual place. After this it fades to the usual CBS special footage.

18. Hound Dog
Nothing different here.

19. Unchained Melody
1:07:15 - 1:08:05 - Introduction to Unchained Melody - Looks to be completely brand-new footage unreleased anywhere else. Elvis says he'll do Moody Blue later, that he has to do this first. This cuts to Unchained Melody which seems to be from The Great Performances at exactly 1:09:05 since quality changes to drastically higher quality. The piano, however, is very different in terms of quality/lack of overdubbing. Almost as if a different audio source was used and overdubbed onto The Great Performances footage.
1:11:52 - 1:12:42 - Same footage we all know and love.

20. Can't Help Falling In Love
Nothing different here.
1:14:20 is where the footage fades in the original release (and some other releases) of the footage. However, here at 1:14:20 the footage cuts to where the end of My Way was filmed in This Is Elvis, and the rest of the ending of the footage proceeds with what we all know and love in the same vein from The Great Performances after TGP cuts to this ending footage from Unchained Melody.

21. Closing Vamp
Same footage from The Great Performances after Unchained Melody cuts to it.

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 3:48 pm

Wow..great !!!! What a detective work..!.... ::rocks

The intros of The Sweets, Kathy, Stamps, Sherrill..etc before the solos are complete ?
And NO drum, bass, solo..and no intros of Ronnie and Jerry ?
Orchestra solo is complete..?

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 4:02 pm

Ciscoking wrote:Wow..great !!!! What a detective work..!.... ::rocks

The intros of The Sweets, Kathy, Stamps, Sherrill..etc before the solos are complete ?
And NO drum, bass, solo..and no intros of Ronnie and Jerry ?
Orchestra solo is complete..?


The intros of them are complete, yes. Elvis introduces JD Sumner and the Stamps Quartet, the individual members of the stamps (Larry Strickland, Ed Hill, Ed Enoch, Buck Buckles), Kathy Westmoreland, Sherrill Nielsen ("this young girl on the end here...I can't talk, I can sing but I can't talk...I'm like Mel Tillis (sp?)...his name is Sherrill Nielsen").

However, it looks like Elvis skips introducing the Sweet Inspirations...or they are edited out??? I just noticed this. Elvis does not introduce the Sweets at all, or perhaps they were edited out.

No drum solo footage (although it did occur in the concert)
No bass solo footage (although it did occur in the concert)
Elvis does introduce Ronnie Tutt, and Jerry Scheff, but the footage of the complete solos are missing/edited out. The only complete solo that seems to exist from 6/21 is Bobby Ogdin's electric piano solo.

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 4:23 pm

Orchestra solo..?

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 4:27 pm

Ciscoking wrote:Orchestra solo..?


Ok, well - Hail Hail Rock 'n' Roll - meaning that part the orchestra plays is intact. So technically, yes - the Orchestra solo is complete. BUT, while Hail Hail Rock 'n' Roll is there, What'd I Say is missing.

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 4:33 pm

What`d I Say is completely missing..?..No dialogue leading into it..?

Is the intro of the orchestra included..or just their musical part..?

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 4:35 pm

Ciscoking wrote:What`d I Say is completely missing..?..No dialogue leading into it..?

Is the intro of the orchestra included..or just their musical part..?


It's completely missing. No dialogue leading up to it.

The intro of the orchestra is included, and when the musical part starts it features the camera angle that is in front of Elvis as he intros the orchestra, and for about 5-10 seconds shows this (with Elvis' back to the camera), then cuts to the usual shot of the orchestra musical part.

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 4:41 pm

BrianTCB wrote:
Ciscoking wrote:Wow..great !!!! What a detective work..!.... ::rocks

The intros of The Sweets, Kathy, Stamps, Sherrill..etc before the solos are complete ?
And NO drum, bass, solo..and no intros of Ronnie and Jerry ?
Orchestra solo is complete..?


The intros of them are complete, yes. Elvis introduces JD Sumner and the Stamps Quartet, the individual members of the stamps (Larry Strickland, Ed Hill, Ed Enoch, Buck Buckles), Kathy Westmoreland, Sherrill Nielsen ("this young girl on the end here...I can't talk, I can sing but I can't talk...I'm like Mel Tillis (sp?)...his name is Sherrill Nielsen").

However, it looks like Elvis skips introducing the Sweet Inspirations...or they are edited out??? I just noticed this. Elvis does not introduce the Sweets at all, or perhaps they were edited out.

No drum solo footage (although it did occur in the concert)
No bass solo footage (although it did occur in the concert)
Elvis does introduce Ronnie Tutt, and Jerry Scheff, but the footage of the complete solos are missing/edited out. The only complete solo that seems to exist from 6/21 is Bobby Ogdin's electric piano solo.


on the final curtain rapid city dvd, at 52:30 elvis DOES introduce the sweets.
and on 01:01:13 he says ''Joe is conducting the hilton orchestra''

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 4:50 pm

BrianTCB wrote:
Ciscoking wrote:Orchestra solo..?


Ok, well - Hail Hail Rock 'n' Roll - meaning that part the orchestra plays is intact. So technically, yes - the Orchestra solo is complete. BUT, while Hail Hail Rock 'n' Roll is there, What'd I Say is missing.


hail hail rock & roll isnt done during the rapid city show.. it's a unknown songs as elvis says after it ''I dont know that song joe!''

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 4:51 pm

Johnny2523 wrote:
BrianTCB wrote:
Ciscoking wrote:Orchestra solo..?


Ok, well - Hail Hail Rock 'n' Roll - meaning that part the orchestra plays is intact. So technically, yes - the Orchestra solo is complete. BUT, while Hail Hail Rock 'n' Roll is there, What'd I Say is missing.


hail hail rock & roll isnt done during the rapid city show.. it's a unknown songs as elvis says after it ''I dont know that song joe!''


Johnny - Thank you for both clarifications!! ::rocks

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 5:35 pm

Cisco, you are a concert specialist. I have no doubt that you would be able to see the edits and decipher how each scene is put together. What else has to be spelled out here?

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 5:36 pm

can someone please post the correct set list from the Omaha June 1977 show? Three different fans have given me three different set lists because for some reason, they mix up the Omaha and Rapid City '77 shows. :wtf:

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 5:38 pm

stevelecher wrote:Cisco, you are a concert specialist. I have no doubt that you would be able to see the edits and decipher how each scene is put together. What else has to be spelled out here?


I have the problem..that I dont have the box. I had copies of the DVD but I have misplaced them.
Usually I am doing my maths by myself..right..I know a bit about concerts..yes..but I am no specialist
in footage..really..

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 5:43 pm

BrianTCB wrote:
John Wilkinson - Elvis intros him but solo is edited out


Instead Omaha footage is used..right ?

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 5:44 pm

elvisbot wrote:can someone please post the correct set list from the Omaha June 1977 show? Three different fans have given me three different set lists because for some reason, they mix up the Omaha and Rapid City '77 shows. :wtf:


Sure!!!!! Here you go. Correct set list for 6/19/1977:

Also Sprach Zarathustra
See See Rider
I Got A Woman/Amen
That's All Right
Are You Lonesome tonight
Love Me
Fairytale
Little Sister
Teddy Bear/Don't Be Cruel
And I Love You So
Jailhouse Rock
How Great Thou Art
Introductions
Early Morning Rain
What'd I Say
Johnny B. Goode
Introductions
I Really Don't Want To Know
Introductions
Hurt
Hound Dog
O Sole` Mio/It's Now Or Never
Can't Help Falling In Love
Closing Vamp

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 5:45 pm

Ciscoking wrote:
BrianTCB wrote:
John Wilkinson - Elvis intros him but solo is edited out


Instead Omaha footage is used..right ?


No. Instead, there is no footage. It cuts from the beginning immediately to the end of John's solo.

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 5:51 pm

Did I get this wrong..?

stevelecher wrote: On The Final Curtain, they cobbled it together by putting what we do have in there, then editing in footage from Omaha and synching audio we have from Rapid City, in cases like Johnny B. Goode or Early Morning Rain.

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 6:04 pm

Ciscoking wrote:Did I get this wrong..?

stevelecher wrote: On The Final Curtain, they cobbled it together by putting what we do have in there, then editing in footage from Omaha and synching audio we have from Rapid City, in cases like Johnny B. Goode or Early Morning Rain.


This part is actually wrong. In Rapid City, James Burton's solo of Johnny B. Goode does not exist in the TFC set. Elvis introduces Johnny B. Goode, and there is dialogue leading up to it, and about three or four notes are first played on the guitar, but then it flashes to the end. There is no Early Morning Rain during the intros in Rapid City.

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 6:12 pm

Then I got it wrong and described another presentation of the show a friend of mine put together. The bottom line is we have a set of raw tapes that is incomplete, Elvis In Concert, This Is Elvis, and The Great Performances and scenes from all this material were woven together to try to make a complete Rapid City show.

No offense, but my friend's re-editing of the material is superior to The Final Curtain and I've watched that more often than I have TFC. Sorry if I've confused the issue.

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 6:30 pm

In Brian's otherwise excellent recap of Rapid City as presented on TFC, there are no new camera angles on If You Love Me Let Me Know or Trying To Get To You or a couple others that have only been seen on the raw tapes. Alternate camera angles are only available on songs like Mountain, where the song is included in the raw tapes and was featured in an official project, like EIC. Hawaiian Wedding Song has never been used in an official project and we have never had any alternate camera angles than that originally featured in the CBS Tapes.

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 8:26 pm

I took John`s rundown and made some additions..hope it`s okay, John..


ELVIS PRESLEY: Tuesday, June 21, 1977, Rapid City, SD
Introduction: Also Sprach Zarathustra - LP
C. C. Rider - LP + TV
I Got A Woman / Amen - LP
That's All Right - LP + TV
Are You Lonesome To-night? - LP + TV (partial), TIE, TIE LP
Love Me - LP
If You Love Me (Let Me Know) - LP
You Gave Me A Mountain - LP + TV
Jailhouse Rock - LP + TV
O Sole Mio (Sherrill Nielsen) / It's Now Or Never - LP
Tryin' To Get To You - LP, EAP
Hawaiian Wedding Song - LP
Teddy Bear / Don't Be Cruel The Final Curtain DVD 4
My Way - LP + TV, EAP, TIE, TIE LP, TIE VHS
Introduction of back vocalists The Final Curtain DVD 4
Early Morning Rain (John Wilkinson) - LP
What'd I Say (James Burton) - LP
Johnny B. Goode (James Burton) - LP
TCB Band Theme (Ronnie Tutt) The Final Curtain DVD 4 (intro only)
Bass Solo (Jerry Scheff) The Final Curtain DVD 4 (intro only)
Two Mile Pike (Tony Brown) The Final Curtain DVD 4 (intro only)
I Really Don't Want To Know - LP + TV
Electric Organ Solo (Bobby Ogdin) The Final Curtain DVD 4
The Fly (Joe Guercio Orchestra) The Final Curtain DVD 4
Introduction of father, girlfriend - LP (partial) + TV,The Final Curtain DVD 4 (complete)
Hurt - LP + TV
Hound Dog - LP + TV
Unchained Melody - EAP
Can't Help Falling In Love / Closing Vamp The Final Curtain DVD 4

Any further additions / corrections...?

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 8:31 pm

stevelecher wrote:In Brian's otherwise excellent recap of Rapid City as presented on TFC, there are no new camera angles on If You Love Me Let Me Know or Trying To Get To You or a couple others that have only been seen on the raw tapes. Alternate camera angles are only available on songs like Mountain, where the song is included in the raw tapes and was featured in an official project, like EIC. Hawaiian Wedding Song has never been used in an official project and we have never had any alternate camera angles than that originally featured in the CBS Tapes.


It should also be noted that all the "new" items noted in BrianTCB's report actually come from previously-bootlegged, VHS video sources.

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 9:12 pm

John can you name some of these vhs bootlegs...?

Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 11:07 pm

Ciscoking wrote:John can you name some of these vhs bootlegs...?


This 2xVHS box set was the best, it came out maybe 12 years ago:


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The CBS Tapes

Thanks to Barry for the scans.
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Re: Question to Rapid City, June 21, 1977

Thu May 30, 2013 11:31 pm

I sayd see!!!
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