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Elvis Presley's Greatest Moment

Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:39 am

He doesn't sing in this. Of course.



What Elvis did here, just this, makes me proud to be an Elvis Presley fan. I hope you all know the story of how Roy Hamilton got this song.

rjm

Re: Elvis Presley's Greatest Moment

Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:20 pm

Yep, great song.

Sadly Roy died a few months later.

I think Elvis covered a few songs that had a Hamilton connection.

You listen to some of Hamilton's recordings you can tell that he was an inspiration for the young Elvis.

Re: Elvis Presley's Greatest Moment

Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:27 pm

rjm wrote:He doesn't sing in this. Of course.



What Elvis did here, just this, makes me proud to be an Elvis Presley fan. I hope you all know the story of how Roy Hamilton got this song.

rjm


The story is great, but has been misrepresented a bit. For example, "Angelica" was not a hot, new piece of material that Elvis gave up. But the act was still no doubt generous and heartfelt. Below is some research I did a while ago, for another topic. It's -- of course -- worth another look.

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The song history of "Angelica" is kind of fascinating, and its grand, sweeping melody clearly captured many listeners, not just Elvis.

It's strange the legend goes "Angelica" was a "great unknown song" -- a "guaranteed #1" -- that Elvis had lined up at his 1969 American Sound sessions but instead gave to his boyhood idol, Roy Hamilton to record.

Did Elvis' friends not listen to the radio? It wasn't some untouched piece of work.

It was composed by a super-famous songwriting team, and had enjoyed many cover versions since 1966.

Angelica
Writers: Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil
Recorded by: Barry Mann, Gene Pitney, Roy Hamilton, the Sandpipers, Oliver, Scott Walker, Nicoletta, Percy Faith and his Orchestra, and others

http://mann-weil.com/music_discography.php


Check out that official Mann-Weil site -- those two wrote a ton of classic pop hits.

The first release of "Angelica" may have been on a 1966 Gene Pitney album, albeit misspelled.




Gene Pitney - Angelique [sic] (1966) - album track


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Billboard - Jun 25, 1966


Here are some other notable versions, which precede Roy Hamilton's 1969 release.




Sandpipers - Angelica (1966) - album track


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Billboard - Oct 15, 1966





P.J. Proby - Angelica (1967) - album track


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Billboard - Mar 11, 1967





Scott Walker - Angelica (1968) - album track


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Billboard - Jan 27, 1968



Even Barry Mann's own 1966 Capitol single of "Angelica" almost made the Hot 100:

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Billboard - Aug 13, 1966



Amazingly, the song had a revival about nine years ago, when a cover of French pop singer Nicoletta's 1960s version was chosen as the theme song for the French TV show "Star Academy"!


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La Musique AKA Angelica
Writers: Barry Mann, Cynthia Weil & Kotchounian
Recorded by: Contestants of French TV Show Star Academy

http://mann-weil.com/music_discography.php






Star Academy 1 (2001)


Quite a song.

Re: Elvis Presley's Greatest Moment

Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:51 am

Thanks rjm for reminding us of this sotry.

And, thanks Doc for excellent research.

I'd always bought the unsubstantiated story oft-peddled that this was a "new" song Elvis gave to Hamilton, rather than a cover of a track that had already been recorded by a few artists and groups.

Re: Elvis Presley's Greatest Moment

Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:34 am

londonflash wrote:Thanks rjm for reminding us of this sotry.

And, thanks Doc for excellent research.

I'd always bought the unsubstantiated story oft-peddled that this was a "new" song Elvis gave to Hamilton, rather than a cover of a track that had already been recorded by a few artists and groups.


Well, for a long time, so did I! Glad you dug the research.

Re: Elvis Presley's Greatest Moment

Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:48 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
londonflash wrote:Thanks rjm for reminding us of this sotry.

And, thanks Doc for excellent research.

I'd always bought the unsubstantiated story oft-peddled that this was a "new" song Elvis gave to Hamilton, rather than a cover of a track that had already been recorded by a few artists and groups.


Well, for a long time, so did I! Glad you dug the research.


I bought it, obviously. :oops: But still, he perhaps felt it would be a solid sender for Hamilton, because he thought so much of Roy's voice. I think Elvis could have done an excellent job with it during those sessions, and perhaps it could have been a nice hit for Elvis.

Thanks for the magnificent research job, Doc! But, it does take some of the air out of the balloon, although I think Elvis really thought he was giving Roy a hit. No way to know if he knew of the other versions, but I'm sure he felt Roy's would be best.

If Elvis heard any of 'em, I would vote for Walker, despite the Proby connection. I can imagine Elvis demo-ing a treatment while pushing the song to Roy, absolutely. I wonder where THOSE session tapes might be? Elvis might be on 'em!

Thanks!

rjm

Re: Elvis Presley's Greatest Moment

Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:01 am

There are a lot of songs like that in the music business.

It's no surprise that Elvis, his entourage, Chips Moman etc. didn't know that ''Angelica'' had been recorded by Scott Walker and a few others before it made it's way to Roy Hamilton.

I liked Roy Hamilton's version the best and if Elvis had recorded the song like he did it could have hit the top 40 on the pop charts and top ten on the easy listening charts.

I don't believe Elvis would have put his version out as a single that's just speaking hypothetically if he did.

Re: Elvis Presley's Greatest Moment

Sat May 04, 2013 5:21 pm

I thought it was a new song as well, that Elvis heard it and gave it to Roy thinking it would be a hit for him. Roy's version is the best, but this would have fit in nicely on those '69 sessions. Walker's version is good also. The guy had a great voice.

Re: Elvis Presley's Greatest Moment

Thu May 05, 2016 12:25 am

Hm.....always thought that was a previously unrecorded song too.But like has been mentioned,whether he knew of the other recordings or not I'm sure he was being sincere when he gave Roy this song.

The first Roy album I bought cost a quarter at a yard sale.It was the You'll Never Walk Alone album.I never heard of Roy Hamilton before but I recognized a lot of the songs on it that were recorded by Elvis.Listened to it,become one of my all time favorite singers.It was only later that I found out the Elvis connection.
It's too bad they had to meet so late in Roy's life.


I often look at this photo and wonder what they are singing.Is this them singing Angelica or something else.
It's a crime that a tape wasn't rolling.
Again,another forever lost opportunity.

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Re: Elvis Presley's Greatest Moment

Tue May 10, 2016 12:50 am

I honestly believe that Roy's version of Angelica outstrips everything Elvis did at American Sound. It's just a towering performance. Actually, come to think of it, I'm not convinced that Elvis cut any track that's better than Roy pouring his soul into this delicious slice of pop melodrama.

The flip-side, Hang-Ups, ain't too shabby either. Considering both A- and B-sides, it's probably my favourite single of all time.

Re: Elvis Presley's Greatest Moment

Tue May 10, 2016 3:28 pm

Eggrert wrote:I honestly believe that Roy's version of Angelica outstrips everything Elvis did at American Sound. It's just a towering performance. Actually, come to think of it, I'm not convinced that Elvis cut any track that's better than Roy pouring his soul into this delicious slice of pop melodrama.

The flip-side, Hang-Ups, ain't too shabby either. Considering both A- and B-sides, it's probably my favourite single of all time.


its a great single, and this is a great CD containing both sides and his other American recordings. Fantastic and I highly recommend it.

Tore Up: RCA & Agp Singles
2008 comprehensive collection of Roy's singles for RCA and AGP. The RCA tracks have been buried down the years , while all but one of the AGP tracks have never been available on CD. From Northern Soul to Southern Soul , Roy Hamilton's recording career over two decades encompassed various styles, and with the birth and growth of Soul music during the '60s, his two-year tenure at RCA included 'Crackin' Up Over You', which has been an anthem on the Northern scene for several years now, along with other favorites like 'Ain't It The Truth' and 'Tore Up Over You'. Roy's sessions with Chips Moman and Tommy Cogbill at AGP in Memphis yielded a handful of tracks which have been the 'Holy Grail' of Southern Soul fans since their original release in 1969. Shout.

Re: Elvis Presley's Greatest Moment

Wed May 11, 2016 4:09 am

I'll have to check that out. In addition to a few 50s sets, I have the Dark End Of The Street comp, which seems to overlap quite a bit with the Tore Up comp. Do you happen to know if the tracks on Tore Up are mono or stereo?