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Re: A Star Is Born

Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:31 pm

stevelecher wrote:I was listening to BIG BOSS MAN FTD last night, where he introduces Barbra at his show. It says on the package that this show is from March 30. Is this the evening we believe Babs made her pitch to Elvis, after that show? Someone wrote about it being March 28. Did she come on a couple different nights to see him?


No, the FTD was misdated. The main recording is indeed taken from the 3-28-1975 MS.

stevelecher wrote:The introduction is very warm and sincere and how about that intro of Trish Stewart, the soap actress? He claimed a friendship with her. Elvis knew, and was friendly with, more entertainment people than we know about.


Yup. But I have NO idea why Elvis would have been friendly with "The Young and the Restless" actress.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trish_Stewart


"Chris Brooks" left the program for good in 1984. Ironically, in just two days the soap opera will mark its 40th anniversary on the air!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_and_the_Restless
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Re: A Star Is Born

Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:03 pm

eligain wrote:Marty has said ...he was constantly telling Elvis he needed to get rid of Parker and get new, young, fresh management.
He also tried to get Elvis to hire a real financial adviser instead of relying on his father to handle his money.


A big mistake Elvis made was having important roles filled by friends & family.

Road Manager = 'Diamond' Joe Esposito [Army chum]

Stage Manager = Charlie Hodge [Army chum]

Financial Manager = Vernon Presley [Totally unqualified in financial matters]

Security = Red & Sonny West etc. [Chums]

Public Relations & Publicity seem to have been left to Parker who found himself more & more out-of-his-depth as Elvis' fame grew.

Re: A Star Is Born

Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:43 pm

ColinB wrote:
eligain wrote:Marty has said ...he was constantly telling Elvis he needed to get rid of Parker and get new, young, fresh management.
He also tried to get Elvis to hire a real financial adviser instead of relying on his father to handle his money.


A big mistake Elvis made was having important roles filled by friends & family.

Road Manager = 'Diamond' Joe Esposito [Army chum]

Stage Manager = Charlie Hodge [Army chum]

Security = Red & Sonny West etc. [Chums]
.


I don't think these three were a big deal.

They seemed to do their job well enough to Elvis' satisfaction.

Re: A Star Is Born

Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:02 pm

brian wrote:
ColinB wrote:
eligain wrote:Marty has said ...he was constantly telling Elvis he needed to get rid of Parker and get new, young, fresh management.
He also tried to get Elvis to hire a real financial adviser instead of relying on his father to handle his money.


A big mistake Elvis made was having important roles filled by friends & family.

Road Manager = 'Diamond' Joe Esposito [Army chum]

Stage Manager = Charlie Hodge [Army chum]

Security = Red & Sonny West etc. [Chums]
.


I don't think these three were a big deal.

They seemed to do their job well enough to Elvis' satisfaction.


I guess you could say Joe did a good job. Charlie should have pushed him to change up his set more often and got him to explore more songs on stage. He also needed to know he was not part of the show! The Wests were good at security but apparently a little too overzealous at times since there were so many lawsuits.

Re: A Star Is Born

Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:37 pm

eligain wrote:
brian wrote:
ColinB wrote:
eligain wrote:Marty has said ...he was constantly telling Elvis he needed to get rid of Parker and get new, young, fresh management.
He also tried to get Elvis to hire a real financial adviser instead of relying on his father to handle his money.


A big mistake Elvis made was having important roles filled by friends & family.

Road Manager = 'Diamond' Joe Esposito [Army chum]

Stage Manager = Charlie Hodge [Army chum]

Security = Red & Sonny West etc. [Chums]
.


I don't think these three were a big deal.

They seemed to do their job well enough to Elvis' satisfaction.


I guess you could say Joe did a good job. Charlie should have pushed him to change up his set more often and got him to explore more songs on stage. He also needed to know he was not part of the show! The Wests were good at security but apparently a little too overzealous at times since there were so many lawsuits.


The fans wanted to hear the old hits

Re: A Star Is Born

Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:30 pm

brian wrote:I don't think these three were a big deal.

They seemed to do their job well enough to Elvis' satisfaction.


That's not the point.

As personal 'buddies' there couldn't be a proper employer/employee relationship operating.

Re: A Star Is Born

Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:37 pm

ColinB wrote:
brian wrote:I don't think these three were a big deal.

They seemed to do their job well enough to Elvis' satisfaction.


That's not the point.

As personal 'buddies' there couldn't be a proper employer/employee relationship operating.


Certainly not.

However maybe Elvis didn't want people that he didn't really know doing those jobs.

To me I don't think it was a big mistake if that's what he wanted.

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:08 am

Doc, how do we know FTD had the date wrong on their release of Big Boss Man? Did this all get hashed out when that was released?

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:13 am

stevelecher wrote:Doc, how do we know FTD had the date wrong on their release of Big Boss Man? Did this all get hashed out when that was released?


Yup.

See also this page, posted in 2005:

Big Boss Man (FTD)
http://home.online.no/~ov-egela/bigbossmanftd.html

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:03 am

OK. Thanks for the clarification.

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:13 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
stevelecher wrote:Doc, how do we know FTD had the date wrong on their release of Big Boss Man? Did this all get hashed out when that was released?


Yup.

See also this page, posted in 2005:

Big Boss Man (FTD)
http://home.online.no/~ov-egela/bigbossmanftd.html

Was there ever a better live rendition of My Boy? Streisand must have been blown-away.

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:48 am

I understand Streisand was most impressed by the ONJ covers.

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:52 am

midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
stevelecher wrote:Doc, how do we know FTD had the date wrong on their release of Big Boss Man? Did this all get hashed out when that was released?


Yup.

See also this page, posted in 2005:

Big Boss Man (FTD)
http://home.online.no/~ov-egela/bigbossmanftd.html

Was there ever a better live rendition of My Boy? Streisand must have been blown-away.


And a third of the set featured songs with "love" in the title -- Babs had to have been feelin' it!

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:19 am

midnightx wrote:Was there ever a better live rendition of My Boy? Streisand must have been blown-away.


stevelecher wrote:I understand Streisand was most impressed by the ONJ covers.


Well, apparently she was "impressed by" or "blown-away" by something about our man. She offered him a very good opportunity -- one he should not have turned down.

By all accounts, he was excited and enthusiastic about this project. Jerry Schilling quotes Elvis as saying to Barbra, "You know, this could be like From Here to Eternity for me." He knew it!

ColinB wrote:
brian wrote:I don't think these three were a big deal.

They seemed to do their job well enough to Elvis' satisfaction.


That's not the point.

As personal 'buddies' there couldn't be a proper employer/employee relationship operating.


Good point -- one that's very pertinent to the topic of this thread. The entire "Star Is Born" incident calls into question what Elvis' employer/employee relationship was with those around him -- including the Colonel.

As the employer, Elvis should have given Parker clear and strong direction. "You work for ME. Get me a good deal, BUT MAKE THIS HAPPEN -- OR ELSE!" Lacking direction and accountability, Parker once again decides HE knows what is best for Elvis -- better than Elvis himself.

As Jerry says, "This was the last time Elvis let himself fill with hope about a chance to stretch artistically." He goes on to say, "...after this incident, one of the saddest truths of Elvis's career was crystal clear to me: The pills he took were only Band-Aids. What was sucking the life out of Elvis Presley was creative disappointment."
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Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:25 am

The question then is why did Elvis let this go on and on year after year while doing nothing to correct it?

The source of the problem was the colonel. Eliminate the source.

This had been going since about the early 60's when the colonel interferred with and ticked off Lieber and Stoller there by drying
up any chances he would be getting good songs from them. He basically burnt that bridge.

Then the colonel interferred with 1968 special nearly killing it.

Then put him into a killing 7 year vegas contract.

All this made money for the colonel. And that's all that mattered to him.

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:08 am

ekenee wrote:All this made money for the colonel. And that's all that mattered to him.

Something else must have mattered to Tom Parker because throughout the 70's, Parker left a lot of money on the table by turning down various lucrative opportunities and by having Elvis play under-paying casino engagements. It has often been speculated that Elvis' casino appearance fees were low because the casinos gave Parker additional credit and/or wrote off some of his debts due to getting Elvis at a bargain price. None of that has ever been confirmed. In some twisted way, one hopes that is the case because otherwise Parker truly was one of the most unsophisticated managers of the decade which makes the deals he made of Elvis that much worse.

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:10 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
stevelecher wrote:Doc, how do we know FTD had the date wrong on their release of Big Boss Man? Did this all get hashed out when that was released?


Yup.

See also this page, posted in 2005:

Big Boss Man (FTD)
http://home.online.no/~ov-egela/bigbossmanftd.html

Was there ever a better live rendition of My Boy? Streisand must have been blown-away.


And a third of the set featured songs with "love" in the title -- Babs had to have been feelin' it!

There was definitely love in the air that night. That is one of those evenings when a reprise of "If You Love Me (Let Me Know)" would have been appropriate.

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:22 am

Aren't all of you that think A Star is Born was going to re-entergize Elvis' career overlooking something very important.

Lets say for the sake of the argument that A Star is Born would result in Elvis getting quality offers from Hollywood.

If you are trying to make a comeback the follow up is as important as the initial role and i wouldn't trust Parker to manage Elvis' career and come up with a quality follow up after A Star is Born.

I could see Elvis getting big time offers from producers and directors after A Star is Born but i can also see Colonel Parker turning everything down.

Mickey Rourke made a comeback with a starring role in the movie The Wrestler but for whatever reason he was unable to follow that film up with another good role.

five years later his acting career is on the downside once again.

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:44 am

MaryAnn wrote:
By all accounts, he was excited and enthusiastic about this project. Jerry Schilling quotes Elvis as saying to Barbra, "You know, this could be like From Here to Eternity for me." He knew it!

If this happened it is an extraordinary quote from Elvis. The correlation is a good one and I can imagine him thinking it but I can't picture him, prideful as he was, saying it to anyone. I can imagine him saying he appreciated the offer and would give it the utmost consideration and that he was honored to be considered. He hated hearing the 68 Special referred to as the Comeback Special and I don't think he would admit, in words, to Streisand how much he might have thought he needed this role. If he felt this way, when Parker supposedly told him that he would be second fiddle to Streisand he should have been able to say, "I know it and I think it will still be a good career move and I want to do it."

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:50 am

MaryAnn wrote:
midnightx wrote:Was there ever a better live rendition of My Boy? Streisand must have been blown-away.


stevelecher wrote:I understand Streisand was most impressed by the ONJ covers.


Well, apparently she was "impressed by" or "blown-away" by something about our man. She offered him a very good opportunity -- one he should not have turned down.

By all accounts, he was excited and enthusiastic about this project. Jerry Schilling quotes Elvis as saying to Barbra, "You know, this could be like From Here to Eternity for me." He knew it!

ColinB wrote:
brian wrote:I don't think these three were a big deal.

They seemed to do their job well enough to Elvis' satisfaction.


That's not the point.

As personal 'buddies' there couldn't be a proper employer/employee relationship operating.


Good point -- one that's very pertinent to the topic of this thread. The entire "Star Is Born" incident calls into question what Elvis' employer/employee relationship was with those around him -- including the Colonel.

As the employer, Elvis should have given Parker clear and strong direction. "You work for ME. Get me a good deal, BUT MAKE THIS HAPPEN -- OR ELSE!" Lacking direction and accountability, Parker once again decides HE knows what is best for Elvis -- better than Elvis himself.

As Jerry says, "This was the last time Elvis let himself fill with hope about a chance to stretch artistically." He goes on to say, "...after this incident, one of the saddest truths of Elvis's career was crystal clear to me: The pills he took were only Band-Aids. What was sucking the life out of Elvis Presley was creative disappointment."


Well written, and dead on. Nice post! Oh, to be able to go back in time and change that moment.

Re: A Star Is Born

Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:22 am

This topic is pure dreamscape.

Re: A Star Is Born

Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:20 am

stevelecher wrote:The correlation is a good one and I can imagine him thinking it but I can't picture him, prideful as he was, saying it to anyone. I can imagine him saying he appreciated the offer and would give it the utmost consideration and that he was honored to be considered. He hated hearing the 68 Special referred to as the Comeback Special and I don't think he would admit, in words, to Streisand how much he might have thought he needed this role. If he felt this way, when Parker supposedly told him that he would be second fiddle to Streisand he should have been able to say, "I know it and I think it will still be a good career move and I want to do it."


As much as A Star Is Born could have been brilliant in theory, it's sobering to remember what an ego-driven disaster it turned out to be in reality. It seems doubtful to me that Elvis could have saved the film; on the other hand, I can easily imagine how much more he could have been damaged by being caught up in that circus. Granted, it wasn't for long and it wasn't deliberate, but I'd still say the Colonel just might have spared Elvis' life.

Re: A Star Is Born

Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:52 am

We all know how it went for him not doing the project. This is just conjecture and there's no way to know what would have happened had he tried to do this movie. There was considerable chance for upside though if he broke out of his treadmill and tried to make some progress on his movie career.

Did Colonel save his life when he died 28 months after the offer was made?

Re: A Star Is Born

Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:22 am

stevelecher wrote:We all know how it went for him not doing the project. This is just conjecture and there's no way to know what would have happened had he tried to do this movie. There was considerable chance for upside though if he broke out of his treadmill and tried to make some progress on his movie career.

Did Colonel save his life when he died 28 months after the offer was made?


Of course it's just conjecture, but so is everything else in this thread about what might have been. My point is not to say that I know for a fact what would have happened, nor to take a pro-Colonel stance. (As far as I can see, the Colonel's only interest in keeping Elvis alive was to squeeze more eggs from the golden goose.) However, just as we know what happened to Elvis, we also know what happened to the film. Given the wringer through which Streisand put Kristofferson, Pierson, and all else involved, I have to question whether that's a fate a fan would have chosen for Elvis.

Don't get me wrong; I think he could have been brilliant in a film of A Star is Born—but not one with Streisand calling the shots.

Re: A Star Is Born

Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:10 am

Streisand had problems with everyone she worked with. It would have been tough on Elvis since he wasn't used to being challenged. The movie is still a net plus for Kristofferson's career and if Elvis had been involved, I believe the film would have been better and an even bigger hit. He'd have had his hands full, that's for sure.