Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:57 pm
Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:35 am
brian wrote:Robt wrote:2001 A Space Odyssey.
I love sci-fi movies but this was just boring beyond belief.
I agree with you completely.
I like some of Stanley Kubrick's films but 2001 was a boring piece of crap.
A classic film my ass.
Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:51 am
The Pirate wrote:brian wrote:Robt wrote:2001 A Space Odyssey.
I love sci-fi movies but this was just boring beyond belief.
I agree with you completely.
I like some of Stanley Kubrick's films but 2001 was a boring piece of crap.
A classic film my ass.
Most people have never seen 2001 in the cinema. I saw it when it came out, on a screen which seemed to me at the age of seven, to be the size of a football field. I didn't understand it, but I thought it was fantastic even at such a young age. It was a real spectacle.
I've watched it since then on TV, where you're pretty much forced to judge it on its storyline alone, and I quite agree - it sucks. But back in 1968 in a Newcastle cinema, it was amazing.
Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:26 am
Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:46 am
poormadpeter wrote:That's kind of true, Colin. The truth is that Welles pretty much did what D W Griffith had done around three decades earlier. In 1910, the cut was known and used, as were long shots, close-ups, tracking shots, the use of the iris etc, and even to some degree parallel editing - what Griffith did was bring everything together and formed what I guess is best called "film grammar".
Welles did a similar thing with things like deep focus, using different camera angles (eg. filming an overpowering figure with a low camera facing upwards so that he is literally towering over you on film), showing the ceilings in rooms etc. This had all been done before, but Welles brought it altogether and managed to add meaning to it and coherence. But Kane is considered a work of genius for more than that - it is a very unconventional film with regards to narrative. We are used to films that play with chronology within the narrative now, but at the time Kane was made it was relatively new. Kane isn't just told in flashback, the flashbacks aren't even in order. I don't remember Kane specifically, but what I mean is a film starts in 1940, flashes back to 1920, back to 1940, and then back to 1910, so further back than the first flashback.
I like Kane very much, but I don't think it's an easy film to like unless you can wallow is Welles's playfulness with the camera and with cinema, and to some degrees you have to be familiar with how cinema works in order to appreciate that. There is a story, probably not true, that Welles had no idea what he was doing and so read books on the various shots and style of film and just used them all in Kane. He certainly is a bit like a kid with a room full of new toys and not quite knowing which one to play with first.
It has to be said that many people are put off Kane due to the relatively lengthy fake newsreel which kicks it off. By the time it finishes, many viewers have got bored and then never really get back into the film. I like the newsreel, but I think it probably goes on too long.
Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:13 am
Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:18 am
The Pirate wrote:Most people have never seen 2001 in the cinema.
I saw it when it came out, on a screen which seemed to me at the age of seven, to be the size of a football field.
I didn't understand it, but I thought it was fantastic even at such a young age.
It was a real spectacle.
I've watched it since then on TV, where you're pretty much forced to judge it on its storyline alone, and I quite agree - it sucks.
But back in 1968 in a Newcastle cinema, it was amazing.
Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:29 am
Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:46 pm
Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:05 pm
rjm wrote:poormadpeter wrote:That's kind of true, Colin. The truth is that Welles pretty much did what D W Griffith had done around three decades earlier. In 1910, the cut was known and used, as were long shots, close-ups, tracking shots, the use of the iris etc, and even to some degree parallel editing - what Griffith did was bring everything together and formed what I guess is best called "film grammar".
Welles did a similar thing with things like deep focus, using different camera angles (eg. filming an overpowering figure with a low camera facing upwards so that he is literally towering over you on film), showing the ceilings in rooms etc. This had all been done before, but Welles brought it altogether and managed to add meaning to it and coherence. But Kane is considered a work of genius for more than that - it is a very unconventional film with regards to narrative. We are used to films that play with chronology within the narrative now, but at the time Kane was made it was relatively new. Kane isn't just told in flashback, the flashbacks aren't even in order. I don't remember Kane specifically, but what I mean is a film starts in 1940, flashes back to 1920, back to 1940, and then back to 1910, so further back than the first flashback.
I like Kane very much, but I don't think it's an easy film to like unless you can wallow is Welles's playfulness with the camera and with cinema, and to some degrees you have to be familiar with how cinema works in order to appreciate that. There is a story, probably not true, that Welles had no idea what he was doing and so read books on the various shots and style of film and just used them all in Kane. He certainly is a bit like a kid with a room full of new toys and not quite knowing which one to play with first.
It has to be said that many people are put off Kane due to the relatively lengthy fake newsreel which kicks it off. By the time it finishes, many viewers have got bored and then never really get back into the film. I like the newsreel, but I think it probably goes on too long.
I love it. One of my favorite films ever, and no, I don't find this one boring. I just watched it on amazon instant video not long ago. Yes, it is very "recognized" as a great film, so a lot of people either hold that against it, or they expect "more," but don't know "what more" they expect, exactly. Sometimes such high-flying ambition fails, but in this film, it succeeds.
As for "most boring," that's very difficult, as the list is pretty endless: most of the films they used to "force" you to watch on the airlines (without choice) were boring - too long a list.
So: Harum Scarum. There you go.
rjm
Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:17 pm
Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:51 pm
Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:45 pm
sgoodyear62 wrote:Boring films...my list : Titanic ( A night to remember 1958) is much better.
2001 (most guys seem to like this film. I found it boring. watched it only once.)
King Kong 1976
Don't look in the basement
2 Elvis films : Harum Scarum & Frankie and Johnny. I try to watch them...but can't get thru either of them!
Family Plot (Hitchcock's last film? not one of his best!)
The Lake House (thought i'd like this one, boy was I wrong!)
Hancock
The Beatles magical Mystery Tour ( my husband wanted me to watch this after I got him the remastered
version..glad it was only 55 minutes. However I did like the songs.)
Head the Monkees only film. I was getting hazy watching this one. and I liked the Monkees tv show
growing up!
I have many more, but this is it for now!
Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:30 pm
Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:59 pm
rocknroller wrote:Lord Of The Rings films & the hobbit To long & boring.the royal tenenbaums the only movie i have ever walked out the cinema truly awful.seen many a poor movie on tv or dvd,but there is nothing worse than paying good money and looking forward to going to the cinema and you hate the movie.thankfully it does not happen to often.
Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:00 pm
Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:53 pm
Eddie wrote:rocknroller wrote:Lord Of The Rings films & the hobbit To long & boring.the royal tenenbaums the only movie i have ever walked out the cinema truly awful.seen many a poor movie on tv or dvd,but there is nothing worse than paying good money and looking forward to going to the cinema and you hate the movie.thankfully it does not happen to often.
It took me about four or five attempts to watch The Royal Tenenbaums, just too off beat for me and couldnt get into it...but...when I finaly did watch it through I have to say I loved it, reminds me of a Coen brothers type film, once I got into it I found it most rewarding.
Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:06 am
Mister Mike wrote:"Life Of Pi"
I never was so close to putting a pistol in my mouth.....
Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:29 am
Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:47 am
Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:08 am
The Pirate wrote:Mister Mike wrote:"Life Of Pi"
I never was so close to putting a pistol in my mouth.....
Really? What wasn't to like?
Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:46 am
Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:56 am
rocknroller wrote:rjm wrote:poormadpeter wrote:That's kind of true, Colin. The truth is that Welles pretty much did what D W Griffith had done around three decades earlier. In 1910, the cut was known and used, as were long shots, close-ups, tracking shots, the use of the iris etc, and even to some degree parallel editing - what Griffith did was bring everything together and formed what I guess is best called "film grammar".
Welles did a similar thing with things like deep focus, using different camera angles (eg. filming an overpowering figure with a low camera facing upwards so that he is literally towering over you on film), showing the ceilings in rooms etc. This had all been done before, but Welles brought it altogether and managed to add meaning to it and coherence. But Kane is considered a work of genius for more than that - it is a very unconventional film with regards to narrative. We are used to films that play with chronology within the narrative now, but at the time Kane was made it was relatively new. Kane isn't just told in flashback, the flashbacks aren't even in order. I don't remember Kane specifically, but what I mean is a film starts in 1940, flashes back to 1920, back to 1940, and then back to 1910, so further back than the first flashback.
I like Kane very much, but I don't think it's an easy film to like unless you can wallow is Welles's playfulness with the camera and with cinema, and to some degrees you have to be familiar with how cinema works in order to appreciate that. There is a story, probably not true, that Welles had no idea what he was doing and so read books on the various shots and style of film and just used them all in Kane. He certainly is a bit like a kid with a room full of new toys and not quite knowing which one to play with first.
It has to be said that many people are put off Kane due to the relatively lengthy fake newsreel which kicks it off. By the time it finishes, many viewers have got bored and then never really get back into the film. I like the newsreel, but I think it probably goes on too long.
I love it. One of my favorite films ever, and no, I don't find this one boring. I just watched it on amazon instant video not long ago. Yes, it is very "recognized" as a great film, so a lot of people either hold that against it, or they expect "more," but don't know "what more" they expect, exactly. Sometimes such high-flying ambition fails, but in this film, it succeeds.
As for "most boring," that's very difficult, as the list is pretty endless: most of the films they used to "force" you to watch on the airlines (without choice) were boring - too long a list.
So: Harum Scarum. There you go.
rjm
If its One of your favorite films ever ! then why don't you own it on dvd
Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:24 pm
sgoodyear62 wrote: The Beatles magical Mystery Tour ( my husband wanted me to watch this after I got him the remastered
version..glad it was only 55 minutes. However I did like the songs.)
Head the Monkees only film. I was getting hazy watching this one. and I liked the Monkees tv show
growing up!
Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:27 pm
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