Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:10 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:jurasic1968 wrote:Ironically, Nancy had a number one hit in 1966 with "Boots" but Elvis had only a Top 20 hit (number 19) with "Love Letters" the same year. So people who blame British invasion for Elvis declining popularity I think they are wrong because a lot of american artists and bands had number 1 hits in the 1963-1968 era in spite of The Beatles, Stones, Herman's Hermits, Animals, Kinks, Manfred Mann, The Who and others.
If you review the charts between 1964 and 1968, the huge influx of British bands, led by the Beatles, is undeniable. This is why the British Invasion is seen as a harbinger or change, not only for Elvis but also for all kinds of singers and musicians. Of course, during that timeline Elvis abandoned his art, so there was never any real "battle" for supremacy.
Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:54 pm
r&b wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:jurasic1968 wrote:Ironically, Nancy had a number one hit in 1966 with "Boots" but Elvis had only a Top 20 hit (number 19) with "Love Letters" the same year. So people who blame British invasion for Elvis declining popularity I think they are wrong because a lot of american artists and bands had number 1 hits in the 1963-1968 era in spite of The Beatles, Stones, Herman's Hermits, Animals, Kinks, Manfred Mann, The Who and others.
If you review the charts between 1964 and 1968, the huge influx of British bands, led by the Beatles, is undeniable. This is why the British Invasion is seen as a harbinger or change, not only for Elvis but also for all kinds of singers and musicians. Of course, during that timeline Elvis abandoned his art, so there was never any real "battle" for supremacy.
And dont forget his idol, Dean Martin who had a number 1 hit in the summer of 64, the height of Beatlemania. Then Sinatra also in '66. Elvis' decline was due to his material. A song like Love Letters, while nice, sounded dated. It was a modest hit in 62 with the same arrangement. Why was this song chosen for a single release when Elvis had the Dylan tune in the can from the same session? Boggles the mind.
Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:11 pm
EPA4368 wrote:r&b wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:jurasic1968 wrote:Ironically, Nancy had a number one hit in 1966 with "Boots" but Elvis had only a Top 20 hit (number 19) with "Love Letters" the same year. So people who blame British invasion for Elvis declining popularity I think they are wrong because a lot of american artists and bands had number 1 hits in the 1963-1968 era in spite of The Beatles, Stones, Herman's Hermits, Animals, Kinks, Manfred Mann, The Who and others.
If you review the charts between 1964 and 1968, the huge influx of British bands, led by the Beatles, is undeniable. This is why the British Invasion is seen as a harbinger or change, not only for Elvis but also for all kinds of singers and musicians. Of course, during that timeline Elvis abandoned his art, so there was never any real "battle" for supremacy.
And dont forget his idol, Dean Martin who had a number 1 hit in the summer of 64, the height of Beatlemania. Then Sinatra also in '66. Elvis' decline was due to his material. A song like Love Letters, while nice, sounded dated. It was a modest hit in 62 with the same arrangement. Why was this song chosen for a single release when Elvis had the Dylan tune in the can from the same session? Boggles the mind.
"Everybody Loves Somebody" was Dean's first chart-topper for the Reprise record label, which was founded by Frank Sinatra. When "Everybody Loves Somebody" knocked "A Hard Day's Night" off the top of the US charts, Dean sent a telegram to Elvis that read, "If you can't handle the Beatles, I'll do it for you, pally."
Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:05 pm

Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:08 pm
r&b wrote: A song like Love Letters, while nice, sounded dated. It was a modest hit in 62 with the same arrangement. Why was this song chosen for a single release when Elvis had the Dylan tune in the can from the same session? Boggles the mind.
Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:44 pm
Blue River wrote:r&b wrote: A song like Love Letters, while nice, sounded dated. It was a modest hit in 62 with the same arrangement. Why was this song chosen for a single release when Elvis had the Dylan tune in the can from the same session? Boggles the mind.
Elvis' version of "Tomorrow Is A Long Time" would've been better edited down to 3:30 to 3:55 if used for single release
(instead of the 5:20 that it clocks in at), imo.
The single that should've been released (in my opinion) is -
Side A ~ DOWN IN THE ALLEY
Side B ~ LOVE LETTERS ... with "Come What May" included on the Spinout album.
A year later... instead of There's Always Me/Judy as a single...
Side A ~ I WANT YOU WITH ME
Side B ~ THERE'S ALWAYS ME ... with "Judy" remaining available only on the Something For Everybody album.
Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:57 pm
r&b wrote: I dont think your single choices would have seen much chart action, no offense.
Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:02 pm
Blue River wrote:r&b wrote: A song like Love Letters, while nice, sounded dated. It was a modest hit in 62 with the same arrangement. Why was this song chosen for a single release when Elvis had the Dylan tune in the can from the same session? Boggles the mind.
Elvis' version of "Tomorrow Is A Long Time" would've been better edited down to 3:30 to 3:55 if used for single release
(instead of the 5:20 that it clocks in at), imo.
The single that should've been released (in my opinion) is -
Side A ~ DOWN IN THE ALLEY
Side B ~ LOVE LETTERS ... with "Come What May" included on the Spinout album.

Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:44 pm
Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:47 pm
r&b wrote:Blue River wrote:r&b wrote: A song like Love Letters, while nice, sounded dated. It was a modest hit in 62 with the same arrangement. Why was this song chosen for a single release when Elvis had the Dylan tune in the can from the same session? Boggles the mind.
Elvis' version of "Tomorrow Is A Long Time" would've been better edited down to 3:30 to 3:55 if used for single release
(instead of the 5:20 that it clocks in at), imo.
The single that should've been released (in my opinion) is -
Side A ~ DOWN IN THE ALLEY
Side B ~ LOVE LETTERS ... with "Come What May" included on the Spinout album.
A year later... instead of There's Always Me/Judy as a single...
Side A ~ I WANT YOU WITH ME
Side B ~ THERE'S ALWAYS ME ... with "Judy" remaining available only on the Something For Everybody album.
Yes of course it would have to be edited for single release, but it was a natural. Elvis singing Dylan? Would have made him relevant again in the midst of the Hollywood years. Darin had a huge folk hit in '66 with 'Carpenter'. The timing was right as was the material. I dont think your single choices would have seen much chart action, no offense.
Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:36 pm
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Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:26 pm
r&b wrote:And dont forget his idol, Dean Martin who had a number 1 hit in the summer of 64, the height of Beatlemania. Then Sinatra also in '66. Elvis' decline was due to his material. A song like Love Letters, while nice, sounded dated. It was a modest hit in 62 with the same arrangement. Why was this song chosen for a single release when Elvis had the Dylan tune in the can from the same session? Boggles the mind.
EPA4368 wrote:"Everybody Loves Somebody" was Dean's first chart-topper for the Reprise record label, which was founded by Frank Sinatra. When "Everybody Loves Somebody" knocked "A Hard Day's Night" off the top of the US charts, Dean sent a telegram to Elvis that read, "If you can't handle the Beatles, I'll do it for you, pally."
Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:01 pm
EPA4368 wrote:r&b wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:jurasic1968 wrote:Ironically, Nancy had a number one hit in 1966 with "Boots" but Elvis had only a Top 20 hit (number 19) with "Love Letters" the same year. So people who blame British invasion for Elvis declining popularity I think they are wrong because a lot of american artists and bands had number 1 hits in the 1963-1968 era in spite of The Beatles, Stones, Herman's Hermits, Animals, Kinks, Manfred Mann, The Who and others.
If you review the charts between 1964 and 1968, the huge influx of British bands, led by the Beatles, is undeniable. This is why the British Invasion is seen as a harbinger or change, not only for Elvis but also for all kinds of singers and musicians. Of course, during that timeline Elvis abandoned his art, so there was never any real "battle" for supremacy.
And dont forget his idol, Dean Martin who had a number 1 hit in the summer of 64, the height of Beatlemania. Then Sinatra also in '66. Elvis' decline was due to his material. A song like Love Letters, while nice, sounded dated. It was a modest hit in 62 with the same arrangement. Why was this song chosen for a single release when Elvis had the Dylan tune in the can from the same session? Boggles the mind.
"Everybody Loves Somebody" was Dean's first chart-topper for the Reprise record label, which was founded by Frank Sinatra. When "Everybody Loves Somebody" knocked "A Hard Day's Night" off the top of the US charts, Dean sent a telegram to Elvis that read, "If you can't handle the Beatles, I'll do it for you, pally."
Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:30 pm
Blue River wrote:r&b wrote: I dont think your single choices would have seen much chart action, no offense.
None taken. I just think it was sad that "Judy" was released on a single.
Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:36 pm
EPA4368 wrote:Blue River wrote:r&b wrote: A song like Love Letters, while nice, sounded dated. It was a modest hit in 62 with the same arrangement. Why was this song chosen for a single release when Elvis had the Dylan tune in the can from the same session? Boggles the mind.
Elvis' version of "Tomorrow Is A Long Time" would've been better edited down to 3:30 to 3:55 if used for single release
(instead of the 5:20 that it clocks in at), imo.
The single that should've been released (in my opinion) is -
Side A ~ DOWN IN THE ALLEY
Side B ~ LOVE LETTERS ... with "Come What May" included on the Spinout album.
Totally agree with you. Recall DJs preferred playing the bonus songs from Spinout album and were saying they should have released them as the A side of singles. Also when visiting some record shops, same thing... they preferred playing just the bonus songs.
http://www.elvisrecords.us
Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:47 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:r&b wrote:And dont forget his idol, Dean Martin who had a number 1 hit in the summer of 64, the height of Beatlemania. Then Sinatra also in '66. Elvis' decline was due to his material. A song like Love Letters, while nice, sounded dated. It was a modest hit in 62 with the same arrangement. Why was this song chosen for a single release when Elvis had the Dylan tune in the can from the same session? Boggles the mind.
It was an anomaly. Martin's single of "Everybody Loves Somebody" hit Billboard US Pop #1 on August 15, 1964, for one week only. It was his second and final chart-topper; in fact, he only grazed the Top Forty twice more before his death n 1995.
Material and commitment were the two huge issues regarding Elvis' mid-sixties decline. At the time of the June 1966 "Love Letters" release, it seems clear RCA felt it was their best shot at success, given these problems. As cool as the Dylan track was, the chance of it charting was weak at best, which is why it was not selected as an A-side. It would have made for a fascinating B-side, though. "Come What May" really felt like a relic from the past as the chosen B-side.EPA4368 wrote:"Everybody Loves Somebody" was Dean's first chart-topper for the Reprise record label, which was founded by Frank Sinatra. When "Everybody Loves Somebody" knocked "A Hard Day's Night" off the top of the US charts, Dean sent a telegram to Elvis that read, "If you can't handle the Beatles, I'll do it for you, pally."
That quote is new to me. Did some research, however, and it appears to be legit.
Deana Martin referenced the telegram in a 2004 memoir. Bet Elvis was not amused, though:
Wendy Holden, Deana Martin, Memories Are Made of This: Dean Martin Through His Daughter's Eyes
(New York: Crown Archetype, October 26, 2004)
Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:06 am
frus75 wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:r&b wrote:And dont forget his idol, Dean Martin who had a number 1 hit in the summer of 64, the height of Beatlemania. Then Sinatra also in '66. Elvis' decline was due to his material. A song like Love Letters, while nice, sounded dated. It was a modest hit in 62 with the same arrangement. Why was this song chosen for a single release when Elvis had the Dylan tune in the can from the same session? Boggles the mind.
It was an anomaly. Martin's single of "Everybody Loves Somebody" hit Billboard US Pop #1 on August 15, 1964, for one week only. It was his second and final chart-topper; in fact, he only grazed the Top Forty twice more before his death n 1995.
Material and commitment were the two huge issues regarding Elvis' mid-sixties decline. At the time of the June 1966 "Love Letters" release, it seems clear RCA felt it was their best shot at success, given these problems. As cool as the Dylan track was, the chance of it charting was weak at best, which is why it was not selected as an A-side. It would have made for a fascinating B-side, though. "Come What May" really felt like a relic from the past as the chosen B-side.EPA4368 wrote:"Everybody Loves Somebody" was Dean's first chart-topper for the Reprise record label, which was founded by Frank Sinatra. When "Everybody Loves Somebody" knocked "A Hard Day's Night" off the top of the US charts, Dean sent a telegram to Elvis that read, "If you can't handle the Beatles, I'll do it for you, pally."
That quote is new to me. Did some research, however, and it appears to be legit.
Deana Martin referenced the telegram in a 2004 memoir. Bet Elvis was not amused, though:
Wendy Holden, Deana Martin, Memories Are Made of This: Dean Martin Through His Daughter's Eyes
(New York: Crown Archetype, October 26, 2004)
Dean Martin had 10 more top 40 hits after everybody loves somebody, all from 64 to 67, and he sold albums from 64 to 69 like hot cakes. I have the exact figures from the first 2-3 years and they're astounding (I'll look for them when I get home).
Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:24 am
r&b wrote:frus75 wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:r&b wrote:And dont forget his idol, Dean Martin who had a number 1 hit in the summer of 64, the height of Beatlemania. Then Sinatra also in '66. Elvis' decline was due to his material. A song like Love Letters, while nice, sounded dated. It was a modest hit in 62 with the same arrangement. Why was this song chosen for a single release when Elvis had the Dylan tune in the can from the same session? Boggles the mind.
It was an anomaly. Martin's single of "Everybody Loves Somebody" hit Billboard US Pop #1 on August 15, 1964, for one week only. It was his second and final chart-topper; in fact, he only grazed the Top Forty twice more before his death n 1995.
Material and commitment were the two huge issues regarding Elvis' mid-sixties decline. At the time of the June 1966 "Love Letters" release, it seems clear RCA felt it was their best shot at success, given these problems. As cool as the Dylan track was, the chance of it charting was weak at best, which is why it was not selected as an A-side. It would have made for a fascinating B-side, though. "Come What May" really felt like a relic from the past as the chosen B-side.EPA4368 wrote:"Everybody Loves Somebody" was Dean's first chart-topper for the Reprise record label, which was founded by Frank Sinatra. When "Everybody Loves Somebody" knocked "A Hard Day's Night" off the top of the US charts, Dean sent a telegram to Elvis that read, "If you can't handle the Beatles, I'll do it for you, pally."
That quote is new to me. Did some research, however, and it appears to be legit.
Deana Martin referenced the telegram in a 2004 memoir. Bet Elvis was not amused, though:
Wendy Holden, Deana Martin, Memories Are Made of This: Dean Martin Through His Daughter's Eyes
(New York: Crown Archetype, October 26, 2004)
Dean Martin had 10 more top 40 hits after everybody loves somebody, all from 64 to 67, and he sold albums from 64 to 69 like hot cakes. I have the exact figures from the first 2-3 years and they're astounding (I'll look for them when I get home).
His TV show was extremely popular here in the states. Huge. More people I know were buying Dino albums than Elvis soundtrack albums in 65-67, and that includes young ones as well.
Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:08 am
frus75 wrote:Dean Martin had 10 more top 40 hits after everybody loves somebody ...
Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:00 pm
r&b wrote: His TV show was extremely popular here in the states. Huge. More people I know were buying Dino albums than Elvis soundtrack albums in 65-67, and that includes young ones as well.
Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:20 pm
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