Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:52 am
Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:35 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:As I've said before, fans demean the memory of Elvis by pretending as if he walked on water or making excuses at every turn for shortcomings.
Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:37 am
karlos wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:As I've said before, fans demean the memory of Elvis by pretending as if he walked on water or making excuses at every turn for shortcomings. He was not always great. Presley was a human being, and what fascinates is how many wonderful things he accomplished in a very short time, despite many ups and downs in his career and personal life.
Rest in peace, Elvis. We still miss you.
Ok Doc - we all know this but as you know and believe - yu must agree with me that Elvis was great yeah - he accomplished so much in a short time - can you think of any other entertainer ta do this - if so please let me know -No offense okay Doc - Im Only enquiring okay -
I cant think of any yet
Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:40 am
Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:20 am
Matthew wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:As I've said before, fans demean the memory of Elvis by pretending as if he walked on water or making excuses at every turn for shortcomings.
And lessen the quality of the forum too. There are other sites to fawn over the Elvis God, who never sang a note wrong, made a bad movie or song, and was the embodiment of health, honour, humility, and justice in the world. I think he has a movie called Man Of Steel coming out next year.
Here we like to discuss the man called Elvis Presley, a pioneering musical icon who was a flawed person like the rest of us and ultimately (and sadly) succumbed to the pitfalls of super-fame and the empowerment it provides.
Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:09 am
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Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:43 pm
Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:01 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:karlos wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:As I've said before, fans demean the memory of Elvis by pretending as if he walked on water or making excuses at every turn for shortcomings. He was not always great. Presley was a human being, and what fascinates is how many wonderful things he accomplished in a very short time, despite many ups and downs in his career and personal life.
Rest in peace, Elvis. We still miss you.
Ok Doc - we all know this but as you know and believe - yu must agree with me that Elvis was great yeah - he accomplished so much in a short time - can you think of any other entertainer ta do this - if so please let me know -No offense okay Doc - Im Only enquiring okay -
I cant think of any yet
In popular music, plenty accomplished as much in 23 years or less, such as:
Louis Armstrong
Bing Crosby
Duke Ellington
Frank Sinatra
Hank Williams
Miles Davis
Chuck Berry
James Brown
Buddy Holly
Bob Dylan
And that image in your post -- why is it there? -- is still incorrectly dated. It's from 7-03-1973 in Atlanta.
Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:22 pm
Lonely Summer wrote:The man has been dead a long time, yet some still feel the need to demonize him. I see a lot more of that on this board than the other. I don't know anyone who thinks Elvis walked on water, healed the sick, and turned water into wine. Some of us, though, can forgive the man his shortcomings. Actually, it might be a sign of unhealthy fandom when you get downright angry about not every song being a stone cold classic, every performance not being his best, every album not living up to the high standards of, say, Elvis is Back or From Elvis in Memphis. I don't know of ANY artist who ever batted 1.000 (oh, well, okay, them pesky Beatles are going to be mentioned...but they are the exception...I'm sure Doc spins Revolution 9, You Know My Name and Mr. Moonlight every day). As a songwriter and singer myself, I know it impossible to be at your best at all times. Sometimes the inspiration is there, sometimes it's not. Sometimes the voice does everything I want it to, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you are at your best onstage, and the response is poor. Sometimes you are NOT at your best onstage, and people react like "that was the greatest show you've ever done!" Elvis had his share of down times, but I don't feel the need to beat him up over it. I didn't walk in that man's shoes. I have no idea what it was like to live the life he lived. I'll cut him some slack because I think he did the best he could. I doubt that anyone on this board would've handled the pressures of his life and career any better than he did.
Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:24 pm
karlos wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:karlos wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:As I've said before, fans demean the memory of Elvis by pretending as if he walked on water or making excuses at every turn for shortcomings. He was not always great. Presley was a human being, and what fascinates is how many wonderful things he accomplished in a very short time, despite many ups and downs in his career and personal life.
Rest in peace, Elvis. We still miss you.
Ok Doc - we all know this but as you know and believe - yu must agree with me that Elvis was great yeah - he accomplished so much in a short time - can you think of any other entertainer ta do this - if so please let me know -No offense okay Doc - Im Only enquiring okay -
I cant think of any yet
In popular music, plenty accomplished as much in 23 years or less, such as:
Louis Armstrong
Bing Crosby
Duke Ellington
Frank Sinatra
Hank Williams
Miles Davis
Chuck Berry
James Brown
Buddy Holly
Bob Dylan
And that image in your post -- why is it there? -- is still incorrectly dated. It's from 7-03-1973 in Atlanta.
Ty Doc For Info - My Files state that pic is from 7-03-1973 . Enjoy ya weekend Doc -
Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:41 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:FECC is the place where intelligent, discerning fans of Elvis Presley gather to debate every aspect of his art, career and influence. I have learned a lot...
Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:12 am
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Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:17 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:karlos wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:karlos wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:As I've said before, fans demean the memory of Elvis by pretending as if he walked on water or making excuses at every turn for shortcomings. He was not always great. Presley was a human being, and what fascinates is how many wonderful things he accomplished in a very short time, despite many ups and downs in his career and personal life.
Rest in peace, Elvis. We still miss you.
Ok Doc - we all know this but as you know and believe - yu must agree with me that Elvis was great yeah - he accomplished so much in a short time - can you think of any other entertainer ta do this - if so please let me know -No offense okay Doc - Im Only enquiring okay -
I cant think of any yet
In popular music, plenty accomplished as much in 23 years or less, such as:
Louis Armstrong
Bing Crosby
Duke Ellington
Frank Sinatra
Hank Williams
Miles Davis
Chuck Berry
James Brown
Buddy Holly
Bob Dylan
And that image in your post -- why is it there? -- is still incorrectly dated. It's from 7-03-1973 in Atlanta.
Ty Doc For Info - My Files state that pic is from
7-03-1973 . Enjoy ya weekend Doc -
I hope you give some of these other artists a good listen -- they did incredible work.
I'm glad your Files are in order, but your image clearly reads 29th April 73 - receivin award.jpg.
- sorry for mistake Doc and all -Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:21 am
likethebike wrote:Anyone who thinks Buddy Holly accomplished as much as Elvis is on crack. His entire catalog is less than 100 songs. How on Earth could he have accomplished as much as an artist who laid out 100 great tracks in his down decade? More great tracks, more influence (including the definitive influence on Holly himself's performing style). There's not even a comparison. It's like comparing the Beatles to the Kinks.
Chuck Berry, by the way, did very little that attracted public or critical attention after 1965. Basically all you have after 1965 with Chuck Berry is arguments, not that there's anything wrong with argument tracks but to use the consistent arguments of the board, where are the consensus tracks? Oh yes, there's none. If Elvis had chosen the Berry path what criticism he would get in these quarters. Imagine if Elvis had decided to record lifeless remakes of his early 1950s classic and then let these tracks be resold as if they were the 1950s classics. Imagine if Elvis had dumped his band and performed with a pick up band in every town he entered.
I definitely agree James Brown may have equaled Elvis' output in 23 years. But as we whine about Elvis let's remember that Brown cared so little about albums in his first decade plus, that he would willingly allow songs to be repeated from LP to LP, had no concern what appeared on his studio LPs.
And the others on the list are the greats of American popular music. Gosh, poor Elvis didn't exceed Duke Ellington or Louis Armstrong (who by the way was often heavily criticized for focusing on lighter pop tunes as opposed to pure Dixieland much like a certain singer got criticized for focusing on ballads rather rock n' roll). For shame. If any post exposed the shallow. reflexive thought pattern that so dominates this board that was it. Congratulations Dr.
Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:48 am
likethebike wrote:Anyone who thinks Buddy Holly accomplished as much as Elvis is on crack. His entire catalog is less than 100 songs. How on Earth could he have accomplished as much as an artist who laid out 100 great tracks in his down decade? More great tracks, more influence (including the definitive influence on Holly himself's performing style). There's not even a comparison. It's like comparing the Beatles to the Kinks.
Chuck Berry, by the way, did very little that attracted public or critical attention after 1965. Basically all you have after 1965 with Chuck Berry is arguments, not that there's anything wrong with argument tracks but to use the consistent arguments of the board, where are the consensus tracks? Oh yes, there's none. If Elvis had chosen the Berry path what criticism he would get in these quarters. Imagine if Elvis had decided to record lifeless remakes of his early 1950s classic and then let these tracks be resold as if they were the 1950s classics. Imagine if Elvis had dumped his band and performed with a pick up band in every town he entered.
I definitely agree James Brown may have equaled Elvis' output in 23 years. But as we whine about Elvis let's remember that Brown cared so little about albums in his first decade plus, that he would willingly allow songs to be repeated from LP to LP, had no concern what appeared on his studio LPs.
And the others on the list are the greats of American popular music. Gosh, poor Elvis didn't exceed Duke Ellington or Louis Armstrong (who by the way was often heavily criticized for focusing on lighter pop tunes as opposed to pure Dixieland much like a certain singer got criticized for focusing on ballads rather rock n' roll). For shame. If any post exposed the shallow. reflexive thought pattern that so dominates this board that was it. Congratulations Dr.
Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:44 am
Bravo, I couldn't have said it better myself. In fact, I didn't - posts like this are why I continue to frequent this board.likethebike wrote:Anyone who thinks Buddy Holly accomplished as much as Elvis is on crack. His entire catalog is less than 100 songs. How on Earth could he have accomplished as much as an artist who laid out 100 great tracks in his down decade? More great tracks, more influence (including the definitive influence on Holly himself's performing style). There's not even a comparison. It's like comparing the Beatles to the Kinks.
Chuck Berry, by the way, did very little that attracted public or critical attention after 1965. Basically all you have after 1965 with Chuck Berry is arguments, not that there's anything wrong with argument tracks but to use the consistent arguments of the board, where are the consensus tracks? Oh yes, there's none. If Elvis had chosen the Berry path what criticism he would get in these quarters. Imagine if Elvis had decided to record lifeless remakes of his early 1950s classic and then let these tracks be resold as if they were the 1950s classics. Imagine if Elvis had dumped his band and performed with a pick up band in every town he entered.
I definitely agree James Brown may have equaled Elvis' output in 23 years. But as we whine about Elvis let's remember that Brown cared so little about albums in his first decade plus, that he would willingly allow songs to be repeated from LP to LP, had no concern what appeared on his studio LPs.
And the others on the list are the greats of American popular music. Gosh, poor Elvis didn't exceed Duke Ellington or Louis Armstrong (who by the way was often heavily criticized for focusing on lighter pop tunes as opposed to pure Dixieland much like a certain singer got criticized for focusing on ballads rather rock n' roll). For shame. If any post exposed the shallow. reflexive thought pattern that so dominates this board that was it. Congratulations Dr.
Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:29 am
likethebike wrote:Anyone who thinks Buddy Holly accomplished as much as Elvis is on crack. His entire catalog is less than 100 songs. How on Earth could he have accomplished as much as an artist who laid out 100 great tracks in his down decade? More great tracks, more influence (including the definitive influence on Holly himself's performing style). There's not even a comparison. It's like comparing the Beatles to the Kinks.
Chuck Berry, by the way, did very little that attracted public or critical attention after 1965. Basically all you have after 1965 with Chuck Berry is arguments, not that there's anything wrong with argument tracks but to use the consistent arguments of the board, where are the consensus tracks? Oh yes, there's none. If Elvis had chosen the Berry path what criticism he would get in these quarters. Imagine if Elvis had decided to record lifeless remakes of his early 1950s classic and then let these tracks be resold as if they were the 1950s classics. Imagine if Elvis had dumped his band and performed with a pick up band in every town he entered.
I definitely agree James Brown may have equaled Elvis' output in 23 years. But as we whine about Elvis let's remember that Brown cared so little about albums in his first decade plus, that he would willingly allow songs to be repeated from LP to LP, had no concern what appeared on his studio LPs.
And the others on the list are the greats of American popular music. Gosh, poor Elvis didn't exceed Duke Ellington or Louis Armstrong (who by the way was often heavily criticized for focusing on lighter pop tunes as opposed to pure Dixieland much like a certain singer got criticized for focusing on ballads rather rock n' roll). For shame. If any post exposed the shallow. reflexive thought pattern that so dominates this board that was it. Congratulations Dr.
Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:52 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:karlos wrote: Ok Doc - we all know this but as you know and believe - yu must agree with me that Elvis was great yeah - he accomplished so much in a short time - can you think of any other entertainer ta do this - if so please let me know -No offense okay Doc - Im Only enquiring okay -
I cant think of any yet
In popular music, plenty accomplished as much in 23 years or less, such as:
Louis Armstrong
Bing Crosby
Duke Ellington
Frank Sinatra
Hank Williams
Miles Davis
Chuck Berry
James Brown
Buddy Holly
Bob Dylan
Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:10 am
Why Buddy Holly will never fade away
Fifty years after Buddy Holly's death, a leading critic argues that the influence of the man who created rock music is as great as ever
By Philip Norman
6:32PM GMT 30 Jan 2009
On the basis of simply counting heads, rock music surpasses even film as the 20th century's most influential art form. By that reckoning, there is a case for calling Buddy Holly, who died in a plane crash 50 years ago next Tuesday, the century's most influential musician ...
To call someone who died at 22 "the father of rock" is not as fanciful as it seems. As a songwriter, performer and musician, Holly is the progenitor of virtually every world-class talent to emerge in the Sixties and Seventies. The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, the Byrds, Eric Clapton, Pete Townshend and Bruce Springsteen all freely admit they began to play only after Buddy taught them how. Though normal-sighted as a teenager, Elton John donned spectacles in imitation of the famous Holly horn-rims and ruined his eyesight as a result ...
Pop music has become an endless recycling, each new generation believing they are the first to discover its repertoire of "cool" and limited palette of sentiments and chords. In the genes of almost every band, Buddy Holly has been there, either by conscious assimilation or via his disciples. "Listen to any new release," says Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones, whose first killer riff was on the 1964 cover of Not Fade Away. "Buddy will be in it somewhere. His stuff just works."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandjazzmusic/4402149/Why-Buddy-Holly-will-never-fade-away.html
ROCK AND ROLL ARTISTS INFLUENCED BY BUDDY HOLLY: Beatles, Rolling Stones, Hollies, Bob Dylan, Linda Ronstadt, Elvis Costello, Cliff Richard & the Shadows, Phil Ochs, Fleetwood Mac, Peter & Gordon, Searchers, Eddie Cochran, Bobby Vee, Jimmy Gilmer, Tommy Roe, Bobby Fuller Four, Los Lobos, Hullaballoos, Rogues, Herman's Hermits, Freddie & the Dreamers, Gerry & the Pacemakers, Blind Faith, Eric Clapton, Mike Berry, Adam Faith, Marshall Crenshaw, Iggy Pop, Don McLean, etc..., etc...etc...
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http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artists-bio/buddyholly.html
Holly set the template for the standard rock and roll band: two guitars, bass, and drums. He was one of the first in the genre to write, produce, and perform his own songs.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Holly#Legacy_and_influence
Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:20 am
Certainly the single most important black artist in rock and roll, Chuck Berry is arguably the most important figure, regardless of race, in rock history. The archetypal rock and roller, Chuck Berry melded blues, country, and a witty, defiant teen outlook into songs that influenced vitally every rock musician in his wake.
Berry achieved a number of firsts:
- The first guitarist singer to reach charts
- The first rock and roller to write words that were relevant and entertaining to his young white audience with out alienating his core black audience
- First songwriter/performer in 1955
He achieved all of this with a driving rock and roll rhythm that was, if not brand new certainly unique enough to be instantly recognizable. For those reasons he more than any other artist, is responsible for the direction of popular music.
When performing his material Berry made sure to enunciate clearly, singing outside the standard blues realm, and he improvised lyrics that caused to audience to pay closer attention.
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http://www.history-of-rock.com/berry.htm
A pioneer of rock music, Berry was a significant influence on the development of both the music and the attitude associated with the rock music lifestyle. With songs such as "Maybellene" (1955), "Roll Over Beethoven" (1956), "Rock and Roll Music" (1957) and "Johnny B. Goode" (1958), Chuck Berry refined and developed rhythm and blues into the major elements that made rock and roll distinctive, with lyrics successfully aimed to appeal to the early teenage market by using graphic and humorous descriptions of teen dances, fast cars, high-school life, and consumer culture, and utilizing guitar solos and showmanship that would be a major influence on subsequent rock music. His records are a rich storehouse of the essential lyrical, showmanship and musical components of rock and roll; and, in addition to The Beatles and The Rolling Stones, a large number of significant popular-music performers have recorded Berry's songs ...
The rock critic Robert Christgau considers him "the greatest of the rock and rollers," while John Lennon said that "if you tried to give rock and roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'" ...
Berry's recording of "Johnny B. Goode" was included on the Voyager Golden Record, attached to the Voyager spacecraft as representing rock and roll, one of four American songs included among many cultural achievements of humanity.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Berry#Legacy
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