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Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:21 am

sheila wrote:I hate it when someone makes a big deal about Elvis during the last two-three years that he was fat, drugged out, etc.
Hey, What about those years 1954 to 1974? He was great and looked great! You cannot stay perfect as you get older.
I will always love Elvis no matter what! Good show, bad show,good hair, bad hair, good songs, bad songs, good movie, bad movie, good concert or a bad concert...I love it all and it 's part of History. Also, some of the things are private and if we find out some things are bad...really it's nobody's business. Elvis is who he is and I will always accept Elvis and ALWAYS LOVE ELVIS!!!

"He will always be the king no matter what!"

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:36 am

sheila wrote:Hey, What about those years 1954 to 1974? He was great and looked great! You cannot stay perfect as you get older.

No, but off the drugs it's not beyond reason to be healthy in one's late 30s and early 40s.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:40 am

I accept that Elvis got fat, addicted to drugs and died and that the performer in 1976/1977 despite the moment of occasional genius, was only a shadow of the performer from five years earlier let alone 20 years earlier. It's just this idea that he was somehow an underachiever that consistently rankles me. And that somehow there was some magic bullet that would have saved him. It was genuinely tragic that we were denied the potential work he may achieved in a middle and old age and that he did not see the true accolades that would come his way. However, in the 20 plus years of his career, he built up what's a staggering body of work. The only medium where he truly failed was in film and even in that he scored some truly memorable moments. There's no reason to pine for what could have been done because what was done was so powerful and deep.

And more importantly, there was no magic bullet to save him. There were frustrations with his work from time to time, but they were not the cause of his death, although it could have been one of many elements. However, when an artist dies of drugs in a hot streak like Amy Winehouse, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin or even Jim Morrison we never think that. Or look at James Dean, on top of the world but self-destructive as hell. Elvis had a ton of problems and touring the world would have only done so much to solve them, same for an Oscar. He had an unusually short attention span which led him to problems that other artists might not have had. He had a lifestyle problem in that he lived unlike other people and he was the sole support system in his personal universe. The magnitude of his celebrity may have retarded his ability to develop a committed one to one relationship with a woman, not only because of the utter magnitude of women at his disposal but because nearly all of those women saw him as Elvis first, as a person second. Going from poverty to obscene wealth was also a problem. He was hell bound to draw in as much experience and pleasure as he could and drugs were a big way to help with that. He was big on uppers because they helped you stay awake and party more. That he spent his money as fast as he got it was another reason he may have burned out. Instead of relaxing in his final years, he was constantly forced to go on tour to make more money. The stimulation in work that we see could also have been achieved had Elvis gotten involved with some causes like Civil Rights. That would have been an area to focus his concentration. He may have been clinically depressed. At the very worst moment of his young life, he did not get time to mourn his mother properly as he had to deal immediately with the stress of his armed forces incarceration which was far worse for him than it would have been for an average recruit because the time in the service could have taken away everything he'd earned to that point.

So there's much that goes into it, that it's a mistake to look for a magic bullet that would have saved him. Yes, 42 is far too young to die, but it's important to remember that despite dying in a down moment in his career that he left a towering legacy. When we remember Elvis Presley it is important to remember that helpless performer struggling through some of those 1977 shows, as only a cautionary tale that fame, and power and success are not the only keys to happiness. But it's more important to remember first all he gave to us. Above all Elvis Presley should be that young athlete sliding across the floor singing "Jailhouse Rock" in the movie of the same name, the young dynamo burning out of the gate on the Dorsey shows, the man sending up an entire culture with his performance of "Hound Dog," on Milton Berle, the same young man showing his religious roots on Ed Sullivan and on the same show responding to an insane level of enthusiasm with self-deprecating humor, the ambitious want to do everything artist of Elvis is Back, the humility and light-hearted grace of the man who did His Hand in Mine, the rolliciking stud sexing up the silver screen with Ann Margaret in Viva Las Vegas, the singer who gave almost a religious power to a ballad like "Can't Help Falling in Love," the singer who redefined genre in his own image covering an astonishing array of American musical styles and fusing them into his own individual entity, the young man thinking he might be run out of town for singing "That's All Right Mama" in a style that bridged black and white culture, the man who made a television special that is to this day a a standard of greatness in the medium, the live performer who redefined the live concert experience in the 1950s as well as in the late 1960s and early 70s, creating outrage in the first and plaudits in the second, that preacher who crossed the line between the secular and the religious on that glorious bridge to "Suspicious Minds," the 37 year old rocker who turned out "Burning Love" showing you could still rock in middle age and at the same session churned out two divorce ballads that acknowledged the passage of time and the changing concerns of that time, the sincere singer who paid tribute to one of the nation's greatest heroes with "If I Can Dream," and on and on.

Far more than that bloated pathetic figure in his last concerts or the bored neutered mannequin in some of his worst films, ALL THAT was Elvis Presley.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:29 pm

I just love your posts LTB........fantastic

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:39 pm

sheila wrote:I hate it when someone makes a big deal about Elvis during the last two-three years that he was fat, drugged out, etc.
Hey, What about those years 1954 to 1974? He was great and looked great! You cannot stay perfect as you get older.
I will always love Elvis no matter what! Good show, bad show,good hair, bad hair, good songs, bad songs, good movie, bad movie, good concert or a bad concert...I love it all and it 's part of History. Also, some of the things are private and if we find out some things are bad...really it's nobody's business. Elvis is who he is and I will always accept Elvis and ALWAYS LOVE ELVIS!!!


Elvis is a figure of history and changed history, that is why so many prefer to look at his entire life, and often with a critical eye. He is important.

As for loving every bit of his career regardless of quality, that view makes no sense. How does one assess anything as good or bad? It's all the same, which renders everything he ever did as meaningless. Not for me!

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:53 pm

likethebike wrote:However, when an artist dies of drugs in a hot streak like Amy Winehouse...

Amy Winehouse's death was caused by accidental alcohol poisoning NOT drugs.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:04 pm

elvisalisellers wrote:
likethebike wrote:However, when an artist dies of drugs in a hot streak like Amy Winehouse...

Amy Winehouse's death was caused by accidental alcohol poisoning NOT drugs.


Correct. The official verdict was misadventure, death by alcohol intoxication:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Winehouse#Death

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:08 pm

ep2 wrote:does anybody have info about elvis those last 6 weeks

From June 27 - August 15, 1977, I've personally heard from those close to him (very reliable sources) that Elvis did a lot of...

sun tanning
swimming
stretching excercises
push ups / sit ups
moderate weight lifting
jogging
bicycle riding
racquetball playing
horseback riding
cheerfully helping the workers with the lawn at Graceland
cheerfully meeting and greeting people at the Graceland gates
drinking only purified water & skim milk
eating only lean white meats (mostly grilled fish and baked chicken) with plenty of raw vegetables & fresh fruits
avoiding the salt shaker to keep blood pressure in check
avoiding snacks between meals
brushing teeth & flossing three-to-four times daily
sleeping 8 hours per night (strictly 10 p.m. - 6 a.m.)
meditating & praying
reading his bible
attending church regularly


smt179 I just don't understand how or why he died!

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:13 pm

Blue River wrote:
ep2 wrote:does anybody have info about elvis those last 6 weeks

From June 27 - August 15, 1977, I've personally heard from those close to him (very reliable sources) that Elvis did a lot of...
sleeping 8 hours per night (strictly 10 p.m. - 6 a.m.)
sun tanning
swimming
stretching excercises
push ups / sit ups
moderate weight lifting
jogging
bicycle riding
racquetball playing
horseback riding
cheerfully helping the workers with the lawn at Graceland
cheerfully meeting and greeting people at the Graceland gates
drinking only purified water & skim milk
eating only lean white meats (mostly grilled fish and baked chicken) with plenty of raw vegetables & fresh fruits
avoiding the salt shaker to keep blood pressure in check
avoiding snacks between meals
brushing teeth & flossing three times daily
meditating & praying
reading his bible
attending church regularly


smt179 I just don't understand how or why he died!


Don't forget the July 1977 poolside interview with CBS-TV.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:19 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Blue River wrote:
ep2 wrote:does anybody have info about elvis those last 6 weeks

From June 27 - August 15, 1977, I've personally heard from those close to him (very reliable sources) that Elvis did a lot of...

sun tanning
swimming
stretching excercises
push ups / sit ups
moderate weight lifting
jogging
bicycle riding
racquetball playing
horseback riding
cheerfully helping the workers with the lawn at Graceland
cheerfully meeting and greeting people at the Graceland gates
drinking only purified water & skim milk
eating only lean white meats (mostly grilled fish and baked chicken) with plenty of raw vegetables & fresh fruits
avoiding the salt shaker to keep blood pressure in check
avoiding snacks between meals
brushing teeth & flossing three-to-four times daily
sleeping 8 hours per night (strictly 10 p.m. - 6 a.m.)
meditating & praying
reading his bible
attending church regularly

smt179 I just don't understand how or why he died!

Don't forget the July 1977 poolside interview with CBS-TV.

Thanks for the reminder, drjohn!
I have heard from close, reliable sources that he did that poolside interview with a smile on his face and a twinkle in his eye. :D

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:22 pm

Ummm, alcohol is a drug. It's merely legal and more socially accepted than most drugs.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:33 pm

Jim Morisson drink a lot of alcohol but he died when he mixed alcohol with drugs in July 1971. I wonder If Elvis knew of the sudden death of many singers at 27 (Brian Jones, Jimmy Hendrix, Janis Joplin and Jim Morisson) in the 1969-1971 years and if he was aware how did he think about that.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:39 pm

jurasic1968 wrote:Jim Morisson drink a lot of alcohol but he died when he mixed alcohol with drugs in July 1971.


His death was apparently caused by heroin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Morrison#Death

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:42 pm

likethebike wrote:Ummm, alcohol is a drug. It's merely legal and more socially accepted than most drugs.

Whether it's a drug or not depends on your definition of drugs.

But your post reads that drugs in the generally accepted sense of the word, was the cause of Amy Winehouse's premature death.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:50 pm

elvisalisellers wrote:... your post reads that drugs in the generally accepted sense of the word, was the cause of Amy Winehouse's premature death.


Indeed. Stating that Winehouse's death was due to "drugs" does not convey the reality of her demise.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:03 pm

Elvis died of a Heart Attack from some drugs from doctors (not hard core drugs) He over took them.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:07 pm

sheila wrote:Elvis died of a Heart Attack ...


No, he didn't.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:22 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
sheila wrote:Elvis died of a Heart Attack ...


No, he didn't.

Elvis died? Really?

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:31 pm

sheila wrote:I hate it when someone makes a big deal about Elvis during the last two-three years that he was fat, drugged out, etc.
Hey, What about those years 1954 to 1974? He was great and looked great! You cannot stay perfect as you get older.
I will always love Elvis no matter what! Good show, bad show,good hair, bad hair, good songs, bad songs, good movie, bad movie, good concert or a bad concert...I love it all and it 's part of History. Also, some of the things are private and if we find out some things are bad...really it's nobody's business. Elvis is who he is and I will always accept Elvis and ALWAYS LOVE ELVIS!!!



I totally agree with you Sheila -



Speaking as a loyal fan I appreciate and love what Elvis has done during his career and life - Fans must remember that Elvis went through a lot during his life as an entertainer and human -


He reached out to many all round the world during their lives good and bad -

He was so charismatic , loving towards his fans and even as a humanitarian -

He was a human being who experienced pain , heartbreak and such - And he achieved many accolades etc for hi s hard work
as an entertainer /person -

He rules and rocks my world always and forever -


Fans -please remember that Elvis gave out so much as an entertainer / person and who broke all records as an entertainer at Vegas and On Tours -


During the mid seventies he looked great and sounded great too entertaining many with his tours and concerts around USA . His voice grew stronger during the mid seventies and he was met by many challenges during his career -


His looks may have diminished but his voice was stronger and mature as
he hit the high notes on songs such as Hurt , How Great Thou Art , and such during 77 -

During an engagement in Feb '73 he took the stage even when he was ill at Vegas -
This was the time when he had to go and seek medical help midway through
a show at Vegas -

And he came back to finish the show for his loyal fans who paid large amount of cash to see him -
I cant think of any entertainer today to accomplish this -


He broke records too at Pontiac on December 31st 75 -
When he played to the largest audience ever on a raised stage which he disliked .

Vegas - as a venue was like a prison to him during his latter years -
All he did was go on stage and go back to his suite after -

So there is my theory and belief of what Elvis means to us all - Yes we do love him and remember him always -

He has helped me as afan through my good days and bad days during my life -

- Always Remembered from me and many fans -
Long Live The King Forever - ::rocks :smt007 :smt007 ::rocks 8)
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Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:50 pm

As I've said before, fans demean the memory of Elvis by pretending as if he walked on water or making excuses at every turn for shortcomings. He was not always great. Presley was a human being, and what fascinates is how many wonderful things he accomplished in a very short time, despite many ups and downs in his career and personal life.

Rest in peace, Elvis. We still miss you.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:48 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:As I've said before, fans demean the memory of Elvis by pretending as if he walked on water or making excuses at every turn for shortcomings. He was not always great. Presley was a human being, and what fascinates is how many wonderful things he accomplished in a very short time, despite many ups and downs in his career and personal life.

Rest in peace, Elvis. We still miss you.


Ok Doc - we all know this but as you know and believe - yu must agree with me that Elvis was great yeah - he accomplished so much in a short time - can you think of any other entertainer ta do this - if so please let me know -No offense okay Doc - Im Only enquiring okay -
I cant think of any yet - :smt007

-Thanx - ::rocks
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Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:52 am

Exactly, he was a human being, not a Captain Marvel or other super hero. God Bless you, Elvis, for all the joy, hapiness and unique music moments you gave to us for ever! To me, in a small little country in Eastern Europe where I live, you was and always be a ray of light.

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Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:35 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:As I've said before, fans demean the memory of Elvis by pretending as if he walked on water or making excuses at every turn for shortcomings.

And lessen the quality of the forum too. There are other sites to fawn over the Elvis God, who never sang a note wrong, made a bad movie or song, and was the embodiment of health, honour, humility, and justice in the world. I think he has a movie called Man Of Steel coming out next year.

Here we like to discuss the man called Elvis Presley, a pioneering musical icon who was a flawed person like the rest of us and ultimately (and sadly) succumbed to the pitfalls of super-fame and the empowerment it provides.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:37 am

karlos wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:As I've said before, fans demean the memory of Elvis by pretending as if he walked on water or making excuses at every turn for shortcomings. He was not always great. Presley was a human being, and what fascinates is how many wonderful things he accomplished in a very short time, despite many ups and downs in his career and personal life.

Rest in peace, Elvis. We still miss you.


Ok Doc - we all know this but as you know and believe - yu must agree with me that Elvis was great yeah - he accomplished so much in a short time - can you think of any other entertainer ta do this - if so please let me know -No offense okay Doc - Im Only enquiring okay -
I cant think of any yet


In popular music, plenty accomplished as much in 23 years or less, such as:

Louis Armstrong
Bing Crosby
Duke Ellington
Frank Sinatra
Hank Williams
Miles Davis
Chuck Berry
James Brown
Buddy Holly
Bob Dylan


And that image in your post -- why is it there? -- is still incorrectly dated. It's from 7-03-1973 in Atlanta.

Re: ACCEPT ELVIS

Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:40 am

Words of wisdom from the Smiths.

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