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Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:37 am

The Pirate wrote:Yeah, that's what the mechanic is always telling me at the garage when I take my car in for a service. "Look," he says "I just put the brakes back in roughly the right place, your job is to make sure that all the pipes and stuff are connected properly so you don't die when you're going down the motorway."


You're missing the point. If we were talking about cars, you'd have a point. We're talking about music, and sometimes we need to be thankful God allows us to get up in the morning and breathe at all. We should be worshiping Him, and not worshiping Elvis Presley anyways. (I'm preaching to myself too, because I'm still a fan.)

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:00 am

Matthew wrote:
Matthew wrote:
elvissessions wrote:
elvissessions wrote:So, what's the percentage speed-correction estimate on Live in LA?


Seriously, I would like to know.

It's been a while. I will need to dig it out and check, unless someone else has the info to hand.

Live In LA also needs to be sped up around 5% to run at the right speed.


Thanks. I'll check this out ... can't say it's a concert I've played a lot ... maybe this will help.

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:47 pm

fg76 wrote:You're missing the point. If we were talking about cars, you'd have a point. We're talking about music, and sometimes we need to be thankful God allows us to get up in the morning and breathe at all. We should be worshiping Him, and not worshiping Elvis Presley anyways. (I'm preaching to myself too, because I'm still a fan.)


In a thread full of annoying posts, you just won the prize. Bloody christians!

Anyway, FTDs retail at £20 each in the UK. If they've mastered it wrong, it's not good enough. Yes, we are lucky to have the label, no-one is denying that. But as consumers we have the right to express an opinion on the quality of something we've paid for. This "don't criticise it because it's FTD" way of thinking puzzles me.

Compared with other collectors' releases FTD is way pricey. Okay, it's a free market, they can charge what they like and I can decide whether I think it's worth it. That's how it works. But if I do decide to buy their product, and find it's flawed, with no offer of a replacement, why should I be told by another consumer "keep your trap shut, you don't understand!", which is the message I've seen given out on this thread.

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:58 pm

:D I remember the FTD releases issued at correct speed and with care.....Shreveport 75' E/S for instance-what a super release that one turned out to be!~
whereas with fashion for a king..... i wanted the book.... it WAS released absolutely ON TIME- not late
and when everyone got it they rightly complained!~
as as has been said the L.A show upon re-issue was NOT corrected at all!~ These are valid points that HURT because identifying faults in something or someone you like always hurts... but might be for the good in the long term? :roll: :oops:

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:23 pm

elvissessions wrote:
releasing it 5% too slow is totally unforgivable. Is it not?


Umm, yeah ... it IS forgivable.

i've forgiven far worse.

If you haven't, you must be a real s---, indeed.


Personal insults. Coming from the guy who admitted hugging Ernst and who once said that Elvis Presley was the most important person who walked the earth. Sad indeed.

Get a life, bud. :roll:

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:17 pm

memfisking wrote:
elvissessions wrote:
releasing it 5% too slow is totally unforgivable. Is it not?


Umm, yeah ... it IS forgivable.

i've forgiven far worse.

If you haven't, you must be a real s---, indeed.


Personal insults. Coming from the guy who admitted hugging Ernst and who once said that Elvis Presley was the most important person who walked the earth. Sad indeed.

Get a life, bud. :roll:

Say it ain't so!

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:22 am

Say it ain't so!


It ain't so ...

I never have hugged Ernst. I guess I might if it seemed appropriate, but it's never happened and I can't imagine it will. I'm actually not all that touchy-feely a sort, even with family. Doubt Ernst is ever going to get an embrace from me. Heartbreaking for him, I'm sure.

I believe there's a photo with one us with an arm over the other's shoulder. We don't call that a hug or anything like it where I come from.

And to tell you the truth, I'd have to look at the photos; I'm not 100 percent sure I'm remembering right. But we may be posed that way.

As for the latter assertion, there's no semantics to debate at all.

I'm fairly sure I've NEVER said Elvis Presley was the most important person who walked the earth -- or anything close to it -- and if I did, my tongue must have been deep in cheek.

I don't believe that, not by any stretch of the imagination.

I'd be very hard pressed to say who I thought WAS the most important person, but I certainly wouldn't say it was Elvis.

So ... I don't really know what that's about, but whatever it is, it's nonsense.

But still, can you ever forgive me?

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:15 pm

Tony.. wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
Matthew wrote:Too Much Monkey Business (2000) - mastering error on Loving Arms
Easter Special (2001) - mastering errors resulting in digital clicking and noise throughout.
New Year's Eve (2003) - mastering errors resulting in digital noise.
So High (2003) - production fault on So High (take 1). FTD replaced the disc.
Elvis Today (2005) - mastering error resulting in significant volume mismatch between master takes and outtakes.
Unchained Melody (2007) - mastering error on Where No One Stands Alone.
Live In LA (2007) - mastering error, tape has not been speed corrected and thus runs too slow.
Elvis (Fool) (2010) - production error on disc 2 resulting in repeated take of Fool. FTD replaced the disc.
Live In LA (Again! - 2011) - straight CD re-issue of the book's CD. Previous mastering error not fixed.
Stage Rehearsal (2011) - mastering glitch on Patch It Up guitar solo.
Fashion For A King (2011) - legendary for its terrible grammatical problems and ironically FTD's best selling book.
Our Memories Of Elvis (2012) - mastering error on Are You Sincere.
Welcome Home Elvis (2012) - many grammatical problems.
From Hawaii To Vegas (2012) - mastering error, tape has not been speed corrected and thus runs too slow.
From Memphis To Hollywood (2012) - grammatical problems, though less that its predecessor.
Hits Of The 70s (2012) - incorrect version of My Way in place of the correct 1977 single.

And this list ignores such releases as Southern Nights (2006), featuring terribly sloppy editing work between songs, and does not delve into the arena of questionable creative decisions on some recent titles. What this list does reveal is that there is an upsurge in problems in the last couple of years, and that furthermore FTD have gotten quieter and quieter in addressing customer complaints, adopting a sort of "lalalalalalala, can't hear you" approach. But here's anticipating a "rational" rebuttal that these releases either do not have any problems, that the problems are "trivial", or that FTD have released so many wonderful titles without problems that those with production issues can be all but ignored and forgiven. Maybe "we'll" be surprised.

I tend to sit in the camp that fans who highlight issues have a voice that helps facilitate change - such as the significant shift in audio mastering aesthetics beginning with Kevan Budd in 2004, brought on in part because the hardcore fan base had been calling out for improved audio-work for sometime.

When In Rome wrote:Here's a few more errors fans...
The stereo master of 'Angel' on the 'FTD' FTD sounds a little wobbly compared to the TCM version.
The cover of the 'Wild In The Country' FTD stated Presely on the spine (they did replace that one)
'Tuscon '76' anyone... replaced quietly on the sly
The original 'Girl Happy' had the wrong take of 'You'll Be Gone' plus an all new tinny reverb on the masters. Had to buy the repress for that one!!
I know it's a fan/collectors label but as mentioned they aren't cheap, they never get reduced into a bargain bin and more importantly they do have a pretty big mother label, it would only take a test press to be looked and listened to with some keen eyes and ears!! I can't seem to remember many of the mass market Elvis releases having as many, if any, errors...

"I Found My Thrill" (2006) is also running a tad slow to these ears.


And there's the awful aural mess at the end of "I'm leaving it all up to ypu" on the "Stage rehearsal" cd where something is 'bleeding' over the top. Then there's the badly done mixing out of Elvis' humourous and non offensive ad-libs during several of the performances on that disc. :x


You guys forgot one - the FTD Elvis in Person contains 22.8.69 d/s but it was later found some tracks were actually borrowed from 21-8-69 (released in 2007 as Viva Las Vegas) in order to form a complete show. There was no mention of this inside the packaging. Ernst should have stated so.

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:16 pm

Robt wrote:
Tony.. wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
Matthew wrote:Too Much Monkey Business (2000) - mastering error on Loving Arms
Easter Special (2001) - mastering errors resulting in digital clicking and noise throughout.
New Year's Eve (2003) - mastering errors resulting in digital noise.
So High (2003) - production fault on So High (take 1). FTD replaced the disc.
Elvis Today (2005) - mastering error resulting in significant volume mismatch between master takes and outtakes.
Unchained Melody (2007) - mastering error on Where No One Stands Alone.
Live In LA (2007) - mastering error, tape has not been speed corrected and thus runs too slow.
Elvis (Fool) (2010) - production error on disc 2 resulting in repeated take of Fool. FTD replaced the disc.
Live In LA (Again! - 2011) - straight CD re-issue of the book's CD. Previous mastering error not fixed.
Stage Rehearsal (2011) - mastering glitch on Patch It Up guitar solo.
Fashion For A King (2011) - legendary for its terrible grammatical problems and ironically FTD's best selling book.
Our Memories Of Elvis (2012) - mastering error on Are You Sincere.
Welcome Home Elvis (2012) - many grammatical problems.
From Hawaii To Vegas (2012) - mastering error, tape has not been speed corrected and thus runs too slow.
From Memphis To Hollywood (2012) - grammatical problems, though less that its predecessor.
Hits Of The 70s (2012) - incorrect version of My Way in place of the correct 1977 single.

And this list ignores such releases as Southern Nights (2006), featuring terribly sloppy editing work between songs, and does not delve into the arena of questionable creative decisions on some recent titles. What this list does reveal is that there is an upsurge in problems in the last couple of years, and that furthermore FTD have gotten quieter and quieter in addressing customer complaints, adopting a sort of "lalalalalalala, can't hear you" approach. But here's anticipating a "rational" rebuttal that these releases either do not have any problems, that the problems are "trivial", or that FTD have released so many wonderful titles without problems that those with production issues can be all but ignored and forgiven. Maybe "we'll" be surprised.

I tend to sit in the camp that fans who highlight issues have a voice that helps facilitate change - such as the significant shift in audio mastering aesthetics beginning with Kevan Budd in 2004, brought on in part because the hardcore fan base had been calling out for improved audio-work for sometime.

When In Rome wrote:Here's a few more errors fans...
The stereo master of 'Angel' on the 'FTD' FTD sounds a little wobbly compared to the TCM version.
The cover of the 'Wild In The Country' FTD stated Presely on the spine (they did replace that one)
'Tuscon '76' anyone... replaced quietly on the sly
The original 'Girl Happy' had the wrong take of 'You'll Be Gone' plus an all new tinny reverb on the masters. Had to buy the repress for that one!!
I know it's a fan/collectors label but as mentioned they aren't cheap, they never get reduced into a bargain bin and more importantly they do have a pretty big mother label, it would only take a test press to be looked and listened to with some keen eyes and ears!! I can't seem to remember many of the mass market Elvis releases having as many, if any, errors...

"I Found My Thrill" (2006) is also running a tad slow to these ears.


And there's the awful aural mess at the end of "I'm leaving it all up to ypu" on the "Stage rehearsal" cd where something is 'bleeding' over the top. Then there's the badly done mixing out of Elvis' humourous and non offensive ad-libs during several of the performances on that disc. :x


You guys forgot one - the FTD Elvis in Person contains 22.8.69 d/s but it was later found some tracks were actually borrowed from 21-8-69 (released in 2007 as Viva Las Vegas) in order to form a complete show. There was no mention of this inside the packaging. Ernst should have stated so.


:?: I always thought those august '69 shows were recorded complete from start to finish. Is that not the case then?

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:36 pm

You Can't be serious man... YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS !!! ( :lol: )

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:03 pm

Robt wrote:You guys forgot one - the FTD Elvis in Person contains 22.8.69 d/s but it was later found some tracks were actually borrowed from 21-8-69 (released in 2007 as Viva Las Vegas) in order to form a complete show. There was no mention of this inside the packaging. Ernst should have stated so.

You have it backwards.

The only thing wrong with the FTD is the photo on the back of the cover, which is a minor point. FTD's In Person release is one of their finest efforts. Did you download, er, buy it?

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:12 am

Matthew wrote:
Robt wrote:You guys forgot one - the FTD Elvis in Person contains 22.8.69 d/s but it was later found some tracks were actually borrowed from 21-8-69 (released in 2007 as Viva Las Vegas) in order to form a complete show. There was no mention of this inside the packaging. Ernst should have stated so.

You have it backwards.

The only thing wrong with the FTD is the photo on the back of the cover, which is a minor point. FTD's In Person release is one of their finest efforts. Did you download, er, buy it?


err...bought it. No self-respecting EP fan should go without it. One of the FTD's best. And I also still kept the original CD reissue. THe FTD borrowed several tracks from 2007's Viva Las Vegas. The least EJ could have done was to say so. I'll have to check this again and then let you know which ones they were.

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:12 am

Robt wrote:THe FTD borrowed several tracks from 2007's Viva Las Vegas.

No, it didn't.

Viva Las Vegas - August 21st Midnight Show - part of Blue Suede Shoes and the monologue on the tape is damaged so the CD uses part of Blue Suede Shoes and the monologue from the August 22nd Dinner Show.
In Person FTD - August 22nd Dinner Show - complete.

As I said, you have it backwards.

Re: From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:17 am

Matthew wrote:
Robt wrote:THe FTD borrowed several tracks from 2007's Viva Las Vegas.

No, it didn't.

Viva Las Vegas - August 21st Midnight Show - part of Blue Suede Shoes and the monologue on the tape is damaged so the CD uses part of Blue Suede Shoes and the monologue from the August 22nd Dinner Show.
In Person FTD - August 22nd Dinner Show - complete.

As I said, you have it backwards.


You're right. It was the other way 'round. Thanks Matt. ::rocks