From Hawaii to Las Vegas FTD mastered 5% too slow.

Its not about having guts, he does post here much because he knows he will be bombarded with things not relevant, he is more that aware of the issues, but most if not all come to the light after the release, why simple no one checks properly, they have limited budget so certain protocols as used on major release have to be side stepped, I am sure he tries his best and relying on people to do things who either are getting paid next to nothing or a few free copies of the CD, he can’t come down on them the same way as if he paid them a proper wage.

We are fortunate to a degree there are those here eager find the faults, and with the audio at least those happy to repair them.
Ernst is here but only from time to time, he does have better things to do, but I am sure he has heard about the speed fault. As for listening, as I have pointed out PM him ask him, instead of posting in the hope he will see it.

It takes an hour of his time to listen to the CD.

He is the producer.

The buck stops with him.

Its not about having guts, he does post here much because he knows he will be bombarded with things not relevant, he is more that aware of the issues, but most if not all come to the light after the release, why simple no one checks properly, they have limited budget so certain protocols as used on major release have to be side stepped, I am sure he tries his best and relying on people to do things who either are getting paid next to nothing or a few free copies of the CD, he can’t come down on them the same way as if he paid them a proper wage.

We are fortunate to a degree there are those here eager find the faults, and with the audio at least those happy to repair them.
Ernst is here but only from time to time, he does have better things to do, but I am sure he has heard about the speed fault. As for listening, as I have pointed out PM him ask him, instead of posting in the hope he will see it.

It takes an hour of his time to listen to the CD.

He is the producer.

The buck stops with him.

IIRC, the buck stops with you, as far as most FTD releases.

Now just being picky
Remember you'll have the wrath of the Doc on you, as all these are to be expected of an over priced product.
with the exception of "The Boy From Tupelo" but only if you got it for £50.00 that was great value I must say, but if you paid around £100.00 then yes I think you should be allowed to complain.

But back to the speed issue yes partly Ernst at fault, granted but more I would say to the person/s in charge of the mastering the audio to CD, remember this label is just a side operation for Ernst and he is to a degree doing us fans a great favour, all be it at a high price.
But the countless mistakes that keep cropping up time after time is simple, there is no product control, these FTD’s are done on the cheap (funny as we are stung a premium), if they weren’t done on the cheap the label would have ended a long time ago, remember very little info is given on the digi packs especially, as Ernst says we collectors know it all anyway.
But with the release of some, it appears more and more that the label has lost its way slightly especially with the Stage Rehearsals CD mixing Rehearsal with Live (ok if you want the general public to enjoy the CD not if you’re a collector, what’s next FTD going down the road of techno re-mixes?

But on a serious note, we have well over 100 titles to listen to and for the most part they are great, take away the sound glitches, spelling mistakes and everything else. If they were BOOTLEGS we would be singing hail the FTD label, we really need to full picture behind these releases and how they are produced, that way fans may be less critical.
But also the end selling price is a major player here; if you pay big you expect the best. Unfortunately FTD can’t do that for the most part, unless SONY or BMG before did the mastering, so Ernst wouldn’t have to go down the cheap route.

And having super guru Doc clouding everything with his views and incorrect banter just confuses things even more, Ernst I am sure is sorry the day he gave into the Doc’s pestering to help on the Tupelo set. Again proof will be in future products where you won’t see him credited! That is not a bitchy dig, just hard facts its great being a big fish in a little pond.

This is so wrong, there is no point in even bothering to correct such ignorance.

Suffice to say you don't know what you're talking about regarding me, "robg," which might lead many to conclude your entire rant is hogwash.

Thank you.

Why in God's name should the consumer have to get audacity and change the speed? It's the product provider/creator that should correct the speed before issuing the product. I've said it before and I'll say it again: there's long been a need for a quality control person for FTD product.

And I'm sure you'd find many here that would give their services, advice and know-how for free.

Perhaps he hired one of them, and now they are vigorously defending their work on internet forums!

Another classic. Keep 'em coming!!

once again... people complain. Ernst gives us something New not released before.. and you guys are fighting about 5% speed difference...

Although the small percentage cannot finish their complaints on this topic, at the end of the day, the point is true.

Just to be absolutely sure, I revisited my copy of From Hawaii To Las Vegas and indeed the songs are a half-step slow (eg. "Love Me" in key of E instead of F).

You know what? I hadn't noticed because I was so damn excited to hear a new, unreleased rehearsal, with interesting selections like "Faded Love" and, of course, "Separate Ways." Presley apparently never offered a live version of "Separate Ways," a very good ballad with a very personal lyric. So this was a special find indeed. It was neat to confirm Elvis was still addressing his show in a professional, amiable manner, being so deliberate in reviewing the songs he would present on his sixth visit to Las Vegas. So soon this would slip, and there would be no going back.

Another nice bonus was the previously-unseen January 1973 Las Vegas stage photos used in the package art, of which there are not very many. Elvis looks pretty good!

120524_From Hawaii To Las Vegas_FTD.JPG

From Hawaii To Las Vegas (FTD, May 2012)


And it was also cool to be aware of the effort that went into acquiring this tape. It didn't just appear on Ernst's desk one day -- it took research, patience and negotiations to land the recording, and get it out to the fans. No one at Sony would be aware that this lo-fi, 40 year-old cassette would be deeply meaningful to the hard core fans and worth the time, effort and money. But Ernst is not a corporate suit, he is a deep fan. And that is why this and many other exclusive, rare and cool tracks are now in many of our collections, forever.

But it doesn't excuse that the 1973 tape is slightly off-pitch.

So, for those of you who clearly dislike the occasional typo, or mastering error, or photo book developed by second parties, or track selection, or album reissue choice by the Follow That Dream label ... DON'T BUY IT.

Hitting the bottom line is the surest way to be heard.

This topic has gone a long way to establish as fact that, since 1999, about 10% of the FTD releases betray one of the above flaws. So, again, show the label how much this bothers you ... DON'T BUY IT.

Me? Like many here, I'm going to keep buying the FTD CDs because, despite that 10%, they add to my enjoyment of the man, his music and how he changed the world.

Thank you.

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And it was also cool to be aware of the effort that went into acquiring this tape. It didn't just appear on Ernst's desk one day -- it took research, patience and negotiations to land the recording, and get it out to the fans. No one at Sony would be aware that this lo-fi, 40 year-old cassette would be deeply meaningful to the hard core fans and worth the time, effort and money. But Ernst is not a corporate suit, he is a deep fan. And that is why this and many other exclusive, rare and cool tracks are now in many of our collections, forever.

But it doesn't excuse that the 1973 tape is slightly off-pitch.

So, for those of you who clearly dislike the occasional typo, or mastering error, or photo book developed by second parties, or track selection, or album reissue choice by the Follow That Dream label ... DON'T BUY IT.

Hitting the bottom line is the surest way to be heard.

This topic has gone a long way to establish as fact that, since 1999, about 10% of the FTD releases betray one of the above flaws. So, again, show the label how much this bothers you ... DON'T BUY IT.

Me? Like many here, I'm going to keep buying the FTD CDs because, despite that 10%, they add to my enjoyment of the man, his music and how he changed the world.

Very well said, DOC!! Thanks and please keep these coming Ernst!

rlj

it doesn't excuse that the 1973 tape is slightly off-pitch.

Sorry, had to put it in big letters so we can remember the one occasion when Doc said something negative about an FTD release!

once again... people complain. Ernst gives us something New not released before.. and you guys are fighting about 5% speed difference...

Although the small percentage cannot finish their complaints on this topic, at the end of the day, the point is true.

Just to be absolutely sure, I revisited my copy of From Hawaii To Las Vegas and indeed the songs are a half-step slow (eg. "Love Me" in key of E instead of F).

You know what? I hadn't noticed because I was so damn excited to hear a new, unreleased rehearsal, with interesting selections like "Faded Love" and, of course, "Separate Ways." Presley apparently never offered a live version of "Separate Ways," a very good ballad with a very personal lyric. So this was a special find indeed. It was neat to confirm Elvis was still addressing his show in a professional, amiable manner, being so deliberate in reviewing the songs he would present on his sixth visit to Las Vegas. So soon this would slip, and there would be no going back.

Another nice bonus was the previously-unseen January 1973 Las Vegas stage photos used in the package art, of which there are not very many. Elvis looks pretty good!

120524_From Hawaii To Las Vegas_FTD.JPG

From Hawaii To Las Vegas (FTD, May 2012)


And it was also cool to be aware of the effort that went into acquiring this tape. It didn't just appear on Ernst's desk one day -- it took research, patience and negotiations to land the recording, and get it out to the fans. No one at Sony would be aware that this lo-fi, 40 year-old cassette would be deeply meaningful to the hard core fans and worth the time, effort and money. But Ernst is not a corporate suit, he is a deep fan. And that is why this and many other exclusive, rare and cool tracks are now in many of our collections, forever.

But it doesn't excuse that the 1973 tape is slightly off-pitch.

So, for those of you who clearly dislike the occasional typo, or mastering error, or photo book developed by second parties, or track selection, or album reissue choice by the Follow That Dream label ... DON'T BUY IT.

Hitting the bottom line is the surest way to be heard.

This topic has gone a long way to establish as fact that, since 1999, about 10% of the FTD releases betray one of the above flaws. So, again, show the label how much this bothers you ... DON'T BUY IT.

Me? Like many here, I'm going to keep buying the FTD CDs because, despite that 10%, they add to my enjoyment of the man, his music and how he changed the world.

Thank you.

Very well said, DOC!! Thanks and please keep these coming Ernst!

rlj

Thank you.

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And it was also cool to be aware of the effort that went into acquiring this tape. It didn't just appear on Ernst's desk one day -- it took research, patience and negotiations to land the recording, and get it out to the fans. No one at Sony would be aware that this lo-fi, 40 year-old cassette would be deeply meaningful to the hard core fans and worth the time, effort and money.

Which is precisely why it is baffling all this effort would fall at the last hurdle - presenting it correctly. It would not have increased the budget needed to get the CD out.

As for the don't buy it passive aggressive protest - it's doomed to failure as it's been proven time and again that the core of the consumer base will buy absolutely anything, warts and all, and merely shrug saying things like "fix it yourself", or "I don't care, I'm just happy to have it", or "we should count our lucky stars", or "it's a nice collection of songs." It seems those of us who actually want the bar kept high, that demand a basic level of production quality are a fringe element. FTD don't have to worry about correcting mastering mistakes anymore because the core base will lap up the product anyway.

When another production issue occurred recently with Are You Sincere on Our Memories Of Elvis I had an epiphany - the dealers need to take action on this, they're the 'retailers' after all. "Pull the stock from the racks" I said, "return the stock back to FTD" I said, "demand action" I said. Dealers were complaining in reviews and on forums about the mastering error but failed to realise they have the real power to do something, to send a clear message to FTD - if it's hard to obtain then many wont be able to buy it, FTD sales will fall on said title. Did they "do something"? Nope - all bark and no bite.

And so those of us on the fringe are left in the precarious position of having to just suck it up if we want the audio at all. Suck it up that despite paying a premium for the CD that should be played, that we'll have to burn ourselves a pitch-corrected CD-R (IF one knows how) to file alongside the FTD release. Hmm.

You know what? I hadn't noticed because I was so damn excited to hear a new, unreleased rehearsal, with interesting selections like "Faded Love" and, of course, "Separate Ways." Presley apparently never offered a live version of "Separate Ways," a very good ballad with a very personal lyric. So this was a special find indeed. It was neat to confirm Elvis was still addressing his show in a professional, amiable manner, being so deliberate in reviewing the songs he would present on his sixth visit to Las Vegas. So soon this would slip, and there would be no going back.

Another nice bonus was the previously-unseen January 1973 Las Vegas stage photos used in the package art, of which there are not very many. Elvis looks pretty good!

And it was also cool to be aware of the effort that went into acquiring this tape. It didn't just appear on Ernst's desk one day -- it took research, patience and negotiations to land the recording, and get it out to the fans. No one at Sony would be aware that this lo-fi, 40 year-old cassette would be deeply meaningful to the hard core fans and worth the time, effort and money. But Ernst is not a corporate suit, he is a deep fan. And that is why this and many other exclusive, rare and cool tracks are now in many of our collections, forever.

You have just given the argument as to why Ernst should have made sure this release got the best treatment and was released error free.

Given the "time, effort and money" in obtaining this "new, unreleased material", releasing it 5% too slow is totally unforgivable. Is it not?

Not when only about 5% (!) of us are actually bothered by such things.

It's getting a bit like the Memphis Mafia in here sometimes - with everybody being "yes men", adding "+1" at the end of certain people's posts, and seemingly afraid to say something out of turn in case they get chucked out or no longer get what they want.

why should the FECC contributers be afraid of getting "Chucked out" if what they're saying is reasonable ? Only the total morons and those with axes to grind against Ernst should.

why should the FECC contributers be afraid of getting "Chucked out" if what they're saying is reasonable ? Only the total morons and those with axes to grind against Ernst should.

Yes, "chucked out" was rather a weird case of wording on my part! What I meant to say is that people are scared of saying that something is unacceptable (or even not buying certain sub-par FTD products) in case FTD suddenly closes its doors and gives us nothing else on account of it.

It's getting a bit like the Memphis Mafia in here sometimes - with everybody being "yes men", adding "+1" at the end of certain people's posts, and seemingly afraid to say something out of turn in case they get chucked out or no longer get what they want.

+1

You have just given the argument as to why Ernst should have made sure this release got the best treatment and was released error free.
Given the "time, effort and money" in obtaining this "new, unreleased material", releasing it 5% too slow is totally unforgivable. Is it not?

OK so you say it's "unforgivable"... now what? Should we simply stop supporting the label because of this? Like mistakes have never happened with anything else you've ever purchased in your life??? Should they incur the costs involved in recalling every single CD purchased and reproducing new ones at the correct speed? Maybe they should... and the point had been made somewhere in this post that more time should be spent on quality control on these CD's and perhaps they're right... moving forward... but to say this mistake is "unforgivable"??? Really??? What does that mean exactly? PS. I can guarantee you that Ernst checks this forum on a semi-regular basis...

Yes, "chucked out" was rather a weird case of wording on my part! What I meant to say is that people are scared of saying that something is unacceptable (or even not buying certain sub-par FTD products) in case FTD suddenly closes its doors and gives us nothing else on account of it.

It is possible that not everyone sees things the same way... or if they do, feel the need to complain about it... or make a listing of each and every error or omission on each and every FTD release. I don't have an issue with anyone pointing out mistakes for product they paid for, but there is a tendency to blow things out of proportion on this form.

releasing it 5% too slow is totally unforgivable. Is it not?

Umm, yeah ... it IS forgivable.

i've forgiven far worse.

If you haven't, you must be a real s---, indeed.

Bootleggers and FTD have all made mistakes in the past and looking back maybe wish they had done things better!.
with FTD remember the CLAIMS about the Richmond 18/3/74 show sound!!!! and leaving FTD aside here remember the public anouncement about 6th release from the Lone Star label first announced that "Man In White Vol. 2" would contain the matinee show from Huntsville, Alabama, September 6 1976. Not that interesting perhaps, after all the evening show was released two years ago on the CD Still Rocking The Nation and guess what it turned out to be EXACT SAME show as released a year b4!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still (i wish) people releasing CD's could do a better job!!!!

You have just given the argument as to why Ernst should have made sure this release got the best treatment and was released error free.
Given the "time, effort and money" in obtaining this "new, unreleased material", releasing it 5% too slow is totally unforgivable. Is it not?

OK so you say it's "unforgivable"... now what? Should we simply stop supporting the label because of this? Like mistakes have never happened with anything else you've ever purchased in your life??? Should they incur the costs involved in recalling every single CD purchased and reproducing new ones at the correct speed? Maybe they should... and the point had been made somewhere in this post that more time should be spent on quality control on these CD's and perhaps they're right... moving forward... but to say this mistake is "unforgivable"??? Really??? What does that mean exactly? PS. I can guarantee you that Ernst checks this forum on a semi-regular basis...

And thereby lies the problem. By not recalling the discs or even admitting publicly that there is a problem, FTD are basically saying "so, what are you going to do about it?". And we have to put up or shut up.

As for should they recall the discs? Of course they should. We pay them to do a job. If they don't do it, then they pay the price. And, hopefully learn from the money spent on reprinting discs that they should be a bit more careful in the future.

releasing it 5% too slow is totally unforgivable. Is it not?

Umm, yeah ... it IS forgivable.

i've forgiven far worse.

If you haven't, you must be a real s---, indeed.

So, what's the percentage speed-correction estimate on Live in LA?

Seriously, I would like to know.

It's been a while. I will need to dig it out and check, unless someone else has the info to hand.

Live In LA also needs to be sped up around 5% to run at the right speed.

Live In LA also needs to be sped up around 5% to run at the right speed.

That's right. It was later released at the correct speed as a bootleg called "Late Night In L.A" (Verve, 2011).
http://www.elvisnews.com/news.aspx/late-night-in-la/13623

Actually the Bootleg of the L.A. E/S i bought and was extremely impressed as to how much better it sounded- or more likely at correct speed!~

Live In LA also needs to be sped up around 5% to run at the right speed.

That's right. It was later released at the correct speed as a bootleg called "Late Night In L.A" (Verve, 2011).
http://www.elvisnews.com/news.aspx/late-night-in-la/13623

FTD had an opportunity to correct this error when they re-issued the CD separately from the 2007 book last year. But alas...