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Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:05 pm

Mitch wrote:Great Stuff Doc,

Always a pleasure reading your posts.

Elvis looked very good.

He should have always tried to keep a tan.

::rocks

If only he had been better friends with George Hamilton.

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:17 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Mitch wrote:Great Stuff Doc,

Always a pleasure reading your posts.

Elvis looked very good.

He should have always tried to keep a tan.

::rocks

If only he had been better friends with George Hamilton.


You read my mind.

I almost wrote that in my post. :)

Great minds think alike. :wink:

::rocks

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:43 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
elvisalisellers wrote:Tom Jones played a near month-long engagement at the International Hotel during April/May 1970, so it's not beyond the realms [in fact more likely] that the photographs actually pertain to Elvis attending Jones' Las Vegas show, possibly on opening night - April 20, 1970.

Of course, this is possible. The thing is, would Elvis have such a deep tan in April? And why would producer Felton Jarvis be there? It makes more sense that Jarvis is with him in July, as he was at RCA Hollywood during the rehearsals for Presley's impending Vegas show. Had Elvis decided to see Tom, it would be a very easy jaunt to get to the Forum from RCA Hollywood, not even a half-hour drive.

RCA Hollywood
6363 Sunset Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90028
to
Inglewood Forum
3900 West Manchester Boulevard  Inglewood, CA 90301

See map --> http://goo.gl/maps/oGWTF

Besides, the background and signage in the black and white photo looks nothing like the backstage shots we have from the International in that era.

If anyone has any more evidence, it would be great to see it. Thanks for the kudos, everyone.


I'm siding with the Doc.

A lot of work and a lot of great information put together. Thanks Doc!

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:45 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:Every now and then a dedicated Presley fan finds information that indicates a common dating of some candids is incorrect.

All of these images below are supposed to be from a Tom Jones show "at Caesar's Palace" in Las Vegas "in October 1970."


250770_at Jones show_Inglewood Forum.JPG
With female fan.


250770_at Jones show_Inglewood Forum_02.JPG
With Richard Davis, Felton Jarvis


250770_at Jones show_Inglewood Forum_03.JPG
With Charlie Hodge, Richard Davis, Felton Jarvis


Well, research strongly implies Tom Jones was not at Caesar's Palace in September OR October 1970. And in fact, his first appearance there was in 1971.

Caesar's Palace Headliners, September-November 1970*
Frank Sinatra = 9-03 to 9-21-1970 (cancelled after 9-05, replaced by Sergio Mendes and Brazil 66 on 9-10)
Tony Bennett = 10-01 to 10-14-1970 (delayed 2 days by laryngitis, comedian Woody Woodbury filled in)
Petula Clark = 10-15 to 10-28-1970
Harry Belafonte = 10-29-1970 to 11-18-1970
*See scans in next post.

If we are certain it is a Tom Jones show Elvis is at in those photos, it seems Jones DID play the Inglewood Forum on Saturday, July 25, 1970, with support from the Count Basie Orchestra, Gladys Knight & the Pips and comedian Norm Crosby.


700500_Tom Jones 1970 Itinerary.jpg
Tom Jones Tour Itinerary, May 1970


700724_Jones_Forum ad.JPG
Ad for July 25, 1970 Forum show


This date would fit with Presley's appearance at this time, and he was definitely in Los Angeles, and Richard Davis and Felton Jarvis were around him at this time. And we see both Davis and Jarvis in MGM's documentary, filmed in July-August. Note that Elvis was working at RCA Hollywood, rehearing for his impending Las Vegas engagement -- we even have an excellent RCA Hollywood rehearsal recording from Friday, July 24, in both unofficial and official form. And some of the imagery in the background of the black and white photo looks like something from the Forum.

So, if we're talking Tom Jones, then the photos are from Elvis and his crew at the Inglewood Forum, catching Jones in concert on a hot Saturday evening in the summer of 1970 - July 25th to be exact.

Thank you.

First photo with female looks like edited with photoshop IMHO look at the elvis skin and colour and that girls skin and colour very different female fan photo clear as todays photos with lot of skin details with proper pixels.
photo looks like amateurish photoshop IMHO...

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:52 am

::rocks
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Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:06 am

Good job John.

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:30 am

steevefry wrote: ::rocks

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Now that was wonderful.

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:27 am

Here's a few more.
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Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:49 am

Rock Legend wrote:Here's a few more.

EP 1970.jpg


Rock Legend wrote:Here's a few more.

Do you have something a little bigger than 227 x 600 pixels for all three images? The background may be able to support whether we're seeing the lobby of the Forum or not. But it's hard to make out.

Here are my feeble blow-ups:

700725_a.jpg
700725_b.jpg
700725_c.jpg
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Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:07 am

Sorry, that's all I have. These were offered to me recently, but the price was a little too steep.

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:56 pm

elvisbot wrote:That IS Priscilla in the first photo with Elvis. I could tell it was her as soon as i laid my eyes on the pic.



should have gone to specsavers .....

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:56 pm

stayawayjoe001 wrote:I take a deep bow,
fantastic research

absolutely superb research thanks!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:57 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:The background may be able to support whether we're seeing the lobby of the Forum or not. But it's hard to make out.

With respect, you should really revise your subject heading and initial posts if you are now uncertain on what those photographs actually represent.

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:56 pm

Your research once again seems to be dead on , and another excellent job by FECC's finest!
Thanks Dr. John You Rock ! :smt038

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:57 pm

Thanks for the info but i it was no groundbreaking news for me. I see it that someone had too much time left
and wanted to figure something out to kill time.

Great.

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:03 pm

Great work. When I get back in town I'll revise the link.

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:23 pm

Erhan wrote:First photo with female looks like edited with photoshop IMHO look at the elvis skin and colour and that girls skin and colour very different female fan photo clear as todays photos with lot of skin details with proper pixels.
photo looks like amateurish photoshop IMHO...


Actually after looking again at the photo I agree that its been photoshopped. I see the colour issues and differences in the quality. Edges also look cut off on the shirt,the edges of Elvis's face look like theyve been modified and dont quite line up. Shadows are not right either and the highlights on the woman look faked. Not saying that the woman has been photoshopped into the picture but the picture has been modified.

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:47 pm

At this very moment I showed the photo in question to a friend..one word came right away..F-A-K-E..
It seems like Elvis head was pasted in..

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:10 pm

Whatever the status of the photo with the woman, all of the images of Elvis appear to be from this likely visit to the Fabulous Forum in the summer of 1970. It's sad to note that everyone we see in the candids, Elvis, Charlie, Richard and Felton, are no longer with us to potentially verify this event.

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:21 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
250770_at Jones show_Inglewood Forum_03.JPG
With Charlie Hodge, Richard Davis, Felton Jarvis



So, if we're talking Tom Jones, then the photos are from Elvis and his crew at the Inglewood Forum, catching Jones in concert on a hot Saturday evening in the summer of 1970 - July 25th to be exact.

Thank you.


Great research, Doc.

But, maybe Elvis wasn't attending a Tom Jones concert. I think we can agree that all three photos which you posted are from the same time/day. The above photo (...03.JPG), which you posted is interesting as it shows a partial advertisement for the appearance of Norm Crosby at Nero's Nook which was located within Caesars Palace.
Norm Crosby opened at Nero's Nook on September 12, 1970

Norm Crosby opened in Nero's Nook of Caesars Palace. Rounding out the bill with Crosby are the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, Burgundy St. Singers and Sisters Love. Source: Billboard Magazine, Vol 82, No. 37, Page 30


Billboard Magazine: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kCkE ... 70&f=false

Therefore, I thnk that the photos are most likely from Caesars Palace.

The first photo you posted shows Elvis with a female. A suggestion has been put forward on another topic that the female could be Barbara Leigh. Elvis met Barbara Leigh on August 29, 1970.

29 Saturday
Elvis' visitors include MGM Head Jim Aubrey and his date, Barbara Leigh

- ELVIS, DAY BY DAY, Gurlanick, Jorgensen


Therefore it is most possible that the photos are from August/September, 1970.

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:25 am

Thanks, Doc. I agree all of our speculation is based on "slivers" of information.

PS. what looks like 'nero'S NOOK' appears just above 'noRM croSBY' in photo ...03.JPG.

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:08 am

jon_burrows wrote:PS. what looks like 'nero'S NOOK' appears just above 'noRM croSBY' in photo ...03.JPG.

I blew up the image, it probably is a reference to Nero's Nook, the upscale lounge at Caesar's Palace. This is the background confirmation I was seeking.


sign blow-up.jpg


Sadly, this means we must start again, and scratch Tom Jones from the list of shows he might have seen. Tom was not at Caesar's Palace at this time.

However, further research indicates your conclusion about Norm Crosby on September 12, 1970 is incorrect. That is the date of the Billboard issue, not the start of his lounge engagement. And Elvis wasn't going to Nero's Nook, either. Stand by.

Please also note that the woman in the first posted photo is definitely NOT Barbara Leigh.
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Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:58 am

Again, unless the subject matter is amended, this whole thread is in danger of turning into a complete farce.

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:13 am

The one thing that bugged me a little from the pictures is why would there be a Roman style column in the L.A. Forum?

Re: Elvis Saw Tom at the Forum --> It's No Mystery Now!

Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:21 am

Mister Mike wrote:The one thing that bugged me a little from the pictures is why would there be a Roman style column in the L.A. Forum?

Yep, it's not something you would expect to see.

Also, the attire alone of Richard Davis, should have been enough for one to at least question the validity of Elvis attending Jones' show at the Forum.

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