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Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:21 am

Age of consent and pedophilia are essentially different issues although many people often conflate them. Pedophilia is when someone has an attraction to a prepubescent child which is generally before 12. Age of consent is just that and is more a reflection of a society's given values, mores, health and standards. There's a funny joke in the new Dark Shadows movie where 18th century Barnabas Collins is disappointed that his 20th century 15 year old niece isn't married yet. "Better hurry up or you'll be an old maid." Something like that.

I'm not condoning grown adults in the 20th or 21st century having sex with people barely in their teens, I'm just pointing out this and pedophilia, child rape and molestation are different issues.

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:42 am

poormadpeter wrote:...Regarding Elvis and Priscilla, we also need to remember that Elvis was in Germany when the pair met, where the age of consent is just 14, making her over the age of consent there when they met. She was seventeen by the time she and Elvis were together for the first time in America although she still would have been underage by one year at that time according to Tennessee law.


Having a girlfriend as young as Priscilla was seems to have been pretty much a 'one-off' for Elvis.

Savile, on the other hand, appears to have been a serial offender over a long period, & with girls even younger at times !

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:32 pm

ColinB wrote:
Having a girlfriend as young as Priscilla was seems to have been pretty much a 'one-off' for Elvis.

Savile, on the other hand, appears to have been a serial offender over a long period, & with girls even younger at times !


Agreed. There is also the difference of Elvis and Priscilla were wanting to be with each other, rather than Savile allegedly groping people without their permission. There is really no comparison.

I am not sure how effective having an age of consent is, it is almost archaic. If someone wants to do it at 14 they will do it. Some 14 year olds will know the consequences, some wont. Cest la vie. But protection of children from people like Savile is a different issue.

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:12 pm

It will soon be page 10 of this thread and time for the jokes. :D

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:12 pm

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Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:26 pm

Delboy wrote:It will soon be page 10 of this thread and time for the jokes. :D


If you insist:

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Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:25 am

Delboy wrote:It will soon be page 10 of this thread and time for the jokes. :D


:D

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:59 am

Delboy wrote:It will soon be page 10 of this thread and time for the jokes. :D

However anyone posting sick and gratuitously offensive material need not apply.

Any so called 'joke' referencing paedophile behaviour falls into this category which is why the Moderators removed this thread last Friday. Initally I was informed the whole thread would be permanently removed because of a number of complaints they had received about this. I had to make the case for reinstating it given that it was considered a significant and ongoing news story in the UK.

The Moderators have kindly reconsidered on this occasion but may not if it happens again.

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:54 pm

Mike S wrote:
Delboy wrote:It will soon be page 10 of this thread and time for the jokes. :D

However anyone posting sick and gratuitously offensive material need not apply.

Any so called 'joke' referencing paedophile behaviour falls into this category which is why the Moderators removed this thread last Friday. Initally I was informed the whole thread would be permanently removed because of a number of complaints they had received about this. I had to make the case for reinstating it given that it was considered a significant and ongoing news story in the UK.

The Moderators have kindly reconsidered on this occasion but may not if it happens again.


Did they remove the offending posts ?

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:23 am

ColinB wrote:Did they remove the offending posts ?

Yes! Guilty as charged. I make one post on a thread started by someone else, cause uproar, manage to offend all of the members and get the entire thread removed. Now I know how DJC feels every day. :wink:

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:44 am

Delboy wrote:
ColinB wrote:Did they remove the offending posts ?

Yes! Guilty as charged. I make one post on a thread started by someone else, cause uproar, manage to offend all of the members and get the entire thread removed. Now I know how DJC feels every day. :wink:

"...you're message was only the staaaart of it..."

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:36 am

There's a Panorama programme on tonight at 10.30 about the BBC's involvement

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:27 pm

I´m glad he´s dead, may he rot in hell. Hopefully they cremated this devil.

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:14 pm

Are there any known paedophiles at ITV?
Is the BBC planning a programm about that?

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:51 pm

Sad to read. It is disturbing that apparently his behaviour could go on for such a long time.

Reading some of these comments and comparision with Elvis and Priscilla or Jerry Lee and Myrna, it is obvious that some are confused about what is a pedophile. Pedophile is a person who is sexully attracted to children who have not gone through puberty. It should not ever be confused with being attracted to young persons who have gone through puberty.

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:52 pm

sir, my ass

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:53 pm

zolderopruiming1 wrote:Are there any known paedophiles at ITV?
Is the BBC planning a programm about that?


The BBC will just claim that they have a duty to be honest and unbiased over and over again until we all forget what has happened.

Thats what they do

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:50 pm

Marko wrote:Sad to read. It is disturbing that apparently his behaviour could go on for such a long time.

Reading some of these comments and comparision with Elvis and Priscilla or Jerry Lee and Myrna, it is obvious that some are confused about what is a pedophile. Pedophile is a person who is sexully attracted to children who have not gone through puberty. It should not ever be confused with being attracted to young persons who have gone through puberty.


Well, a paedophile is sexually attracted to children.

If a youngster under 16 is considered as being a 'child' in your country, then, legally at least, someone sexually attracted to them is a 'paedophile'.

I agree that there should be a different name for it when it is post-pubescent youngsters involved.

Please note, I'm not arguing for any lesser punishment, simply a better legal term to describe the wrong-doing !

And as for Elvis & Jerry, they were involved with one girl [each] in a serious relationship leading to marriage.

They weren't serial sexual predators of under-age girls a la Glitter & Savile............

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:56 pm

ColinB wrote:
Marko wrote:Sad to read. It is disturbing that apparently his behaviour could go on for such a long time.

Reading some of these comments and comparision with Elvis and Priscilla or Jerry Lee and Myrna, it is obvious that some are confused about what is a pedophile. Pedophile is a person who is sexully attracted to children who have not gone through puberty. It should not ever be confused with being attracted to young persons who have gone through puberty.


Well, a paedophile is sexually attracted to children.

If a youngster under 16 is considered as being a 'child' in your country, then, legally at least, someone sexually attracted to them is a 'paedophile'.

I agree that there should be a different name for it when it is post-pubescent youngsters involved.

Please note, I'm not arguing for any lesser punishment, simply a better legal term to describe the wrong-doing !

And as for Elvis & Jerry, they were involved with one girl [each] in a serious relationship leading to marriage.

They weren't serial sexual predators of under-age girls a la Glitter & Savile............


valid points Colin

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:19 pm

ColinB wrote:
Marko wrote:Sad to read. It is disturbing that apparently his behaviour could go on for such a long time.

Reading some of these comments and comparision with Elvis and Priscilla or Jerry Lee and Myrna, it is obvious that some are confused about what is a pedophile. Pedophile is a person who is sexully attracted to children who have not gone through puberty. It should not ever be confused with being attracted to young persons who have gone through puberty.


Well, a paedophile is sexually attracted to children.

If a youngster under 16 is considered as being a 'child' in your country, then, legally at least, someone sexually attracted to them is a 'paedophile'.

I agree that there should be a different name for it when it is post-pubescent youngsters involved.

Please note, I'm not arguing for any lesser punishment, simply a better legal term to describe the wrong-doing !

And as for Elvis & Jerry, they were involved with one girl [each] in a serious relationship leading to marriage.

They weren't serial sexual predators of under-age girls a la Glitter & Savile............


A paedophile is a paedophile.
A man in his twenties or older should not hang out with 14-15 year olds.
These kids surely should not stay for pyama parties.
That's why Michael Jackson got into problems.
And marrying a 13 year old when in your twenties or older is still called paedophilia.

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:35 pm

Marko wrote:Sad to read. It is disturbing that apparently his behaviour could go on for such a long time.

Reading some of these comments and comparision with Elvis and Priscilla or Jerry Lee and Myrna, it is obvious that some are confused about what is a pedophile. Pedophile is a person who is sexully attracted to children who have not gone through puberty. It should not ever be confused with being attracted to young persons who have gone through puberty.


Actually, legally it's the same crime whether the person was 17 or 12.

In English law itself, there is no mention of the term "Paedophile", however, a "child" or "minor" is someone who is under 18 years of age.

On the Web, the Child Safety for Parents website says this:

Textbook Pedophile Definition:

A pedophile is any person - adult or child - that fantasizes about sexual activities with a minor.



Legally a minor is anyone under the age of 18 years, although most medical dictionaries define a pedophile's target as a prepubescent child or younger.

Some pedophiles prefer older youth, some small children, and others prefer prepubescent kids right around the age of 12.

Acting on these fantasies is illegal, whether it is physical molestation or just possessing child porn. The crime can even be as simple as looking at materials portraying "inappropriate sexual contact" with kids (by the way, this "contact" doesn’t have to be physical).

Pedophiles are only officially guilty of fantasy. Pedophilic daydreams are only considered a mental illness - not a crime - in the legal world.

Until they sexually abuse a child (or use child pornography and the like), pedophiles do NOT fall under the legal and criminal definition of "child molester".

But remember, just because someone isn't convicted doesn't mean they are safe. Don't be misled by the technicalities of the "pedophile definition".

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:08 pm

Suds wrote:
Marko wrote:Sad to read. It is disturbing that apparently his behaviour could go on for such a long time.

Reading some of these comments and comparision with Elvis and Priscilla or Jerry Lee and Myrna, it is obvious that some are confused about what is a pedophile. Pedophile is a person who is sexully attracted to children who have not gone through puberty. It should not ever be confused with being attracted to young persons who have gone through puberty.


Actually, legally it's the same crime whether the person was 17 or 12.

In English law itself, there is no mention of the term "Paedophile", however, a "child" or "minor" is someone who is under 18 years of age....


It's not quite that staightforward.

A girl can legally consent to sex at 16................. even if she's classed as a 'minor' until 18.

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:34 pm

Again, people are confusing terms. It is one thing what the law says about having sex with a minor and another to be a peodophile. Having sex with a minor doesn't not automatically mean you're a peodophile. Countries have different legislation regarding the suitable age for sexual relations. It's a rule set up by a society according to it's morals and standards. A peodophile is a medical term.

Wikipedia:
As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder in persons who are 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty varies). The prepubescent child must be at least five years younger than the adolescent before the attraction can be diagnosed as pedophilia

And let's make it clear I'm not defending any adult who's having sexual relations with a minor just pointing facts.

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:46 am

As someone who studies film and tv, I have to say I found the panorama investigation into the shelving of the newsnight investigation fascinating viewing (I say "fascinating" as it was more about BBC politics than it was about the allegations themselves). It all seems rather strange that the BBC is happy to broadcast a 60 minute investigation into the shelving of the newsnight report, but wasn't willing to show the newsnight report a year ago, which probably would have done less harm to the corporation than tonight's show. I'm not sure how or when anyone will get to the bottom of why the report was really shelved or how Savile got away with what he did for so many years. Like the phone hacking scandal, this case looks like it will rumble on for a number of years after shaking this country's media industry to the core.

Re: Sir Jimmy Savile To Be Exposed As Paedophile

Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:48 am

It was all over the newspapers AGAIN TODAY...and up to 200+ victims alleged! many people now are going to Sue the BBC!!! :|