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Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:24 am

With all of the time that they have to make these things as great as possible, how can there be all of this questionable stuff!!??? 8)

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:26 am

Lisa Rose wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:Am I the only one who likes it? It sounds fantastic to me –– whether it's the Brauer mix or Anesini version?

I'm no sound expert but i like it, too. Much clearer than AAITG which sounds flat (and more natural though). This new mix is much clearer but sounds a little bit harsh and unnatural to my ears, esp Elvis' voice. Somewhat reminds me of "A New Kind Of Rhythm" but nearly not as horrible. Both have their pros and cons, still, as a whole i prefer the new one.

Yes, it sounds like the sound you'd hear in the Gardens...imho

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:40 pm

If you download the audio and check the audio properties you will find Sony have been stunningly STUPID enough to upload samples at a pathetic 128 kbps and the MP3 quality is set to 'medium'.

Why people do this I will never understand, it is not as if everyone is going to be satisfied with a few samples and not buy the full release - so why give out crap samples.

This is why the audio is fatiguing on the ears; it is low grade, what a silly way to promote something sound-wise.

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Sun Oct 07, 2012 2:58 pm

Elvis Australia wrote:If you download the audio and check the audio properties you will find Sony have been stunningly STUPID enough to upload samples at a pathetic 128 kbps and the MP3 quality is set to 'medium'.

Why people do this I will never understand, it is not as if everyone is going to be satisfied with a few samples and not buy the full release - so why give out crap samples.

This is why the audio is fatiguing on the ears; it is low grade, what a silly way to promote something sound-wise.


I will read reviews based on the actual product and not low grade mp3 samples before passing final judgement. But if the wave file is anything to go by, the sound is lacking any kind of dynamics. Dynamics in music is what makes it interessting and pleasent to listen to. If there is no difference between the quiet parts and the loud parts (loudness war) is becomes unlistenable after a few minutes. Why does a company has to decide how loud the music should be? If we want it louder we can just turn up the volume.

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:04 pm

On what Sony-website are these samples to find..?? I just can't believe these samples posted here represent the actual release of Prince From Another Planet..... and if they do I know I will be disappointed with it ....

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:16 pm

Matthew wrote:Hmm, can't say I'm enamoured with the mixing and processing (though the bass solo in Polk Salad sits better) - the band sound right up front, almost too dry, against Elvis' vocal which seems distant, less defined, and away from the band in comparison - almost like the band sounds overdubbed on top of the live vocal. At this stage I'm more keen to know what Afternoon Show mix will appear on the standard Legacy Edition of Madison Square Garden.


If you serious I suggest a doctor to review your hearing...

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:21 pm

Robert wrote:
dennyelvis wrote:Just took a listen to the web samples, do we know 100% these are from the finished release from the 3 disc set ? if so i am intrigued to hear Vics efforts on the Legacy release, like u guys stated, i bit tinny and hollow ?


It's gotta be from the new set, as it's a brand new mix.
I don't agree it's tinny. I do think the drums and Fender bass always sounded much better on the evening show.
I guess it's the nature of the recording.

It may sound a bit "hollow", I'd like to call it "ambient" as a slight reverb may be used.
Still, I think it's an improvement but it's a matter of taste.

Curious on how the Anesini master will sound.
I may buy 'm both 8)


I agree here!

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:24 pm

Hans wrote:On what Sony-website are these samples to find..?? I just can't believe these samples posted here represent the actual release of Prince From Another Planet..... and if they do I know I will be disappointed with it ....

http://soundcloud.com/legacyrecordings [You can find a link to it at the right of the page with the sound sample]

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:48 pm

When it comes to music and mixes i'm very picky.

To be honest this mix is amazing i get the feel it sounds like what you would of heard that night sitting down in the big apple.

We have the old mix stuck in our heads and ears after all them years of listening it's going to take awhile to adjust to this mix give it time.

will add a longer review later

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:52 pm

elvissessions wrote:I've linked up several samples from the coming Prince From Another Planet release.

Click here for three clips straight from Sony Legacy.

(Just to be clear: These were posted BY the label; these are not illegal uploads of my own.)


Thanks for those samples. A mixed bag. The mp3 waveform visuals on SoundCloud look compressed -- hope that's not what will be on the CDs as it could be fatiguing. Digital reverb added to simulate MSG echo. But the drums are more ballsy than AAATG due to being higher in the mix - I like that aspect. Kind of makes it more exciting to have the audience a bit higher in the mix.

‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:27 pm

How are these being downloaded from Soundcloud? As far as I know they are streamed only.

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:08 am

If you have FireFox, for example, you can get a plugin which enables a way to download files.

I'm sure there must be some software for the same intent.

‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:17 am

I suspected as much. ElvisAustralia has stated Legacy has uploaded 128kbps mp3s. Since the native files do not appear to be available for download from SoundCloud I'm of the opinion that Legacy have NOT uploaded 128kbps mp3s but rather, whatever piece of software he has used to rip the audio from those links has output the files at 128kbps in mp3 format.

Now, let's be clear - file compression and audio compression are not the same thing. A low resolution audio file does not equal compressed audio, it equals low resolution audio - and from listening to those samples I did not hear any tell tale signs of 128kbps (ie. low res) file compression.
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Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:43 am

I don't think they sound like poor mp3 files... I have heard plenty of 128kbps mp3 files in my life to know that while they're not as good, they don't make things SOUND LIKE THAT IN YOUR FACE WOOOO.

Now, if we were talking about messing with the gain, for example then I would agree.

The samples are pretty clear, to be honest... At least that's my opinion. You can quite notice what they did with the mixing on Elvis' vocals and the instruments. And the mastering...

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:10 am

Matthew wrote:I suspected as much. ElvisAustralia has stated Legacy has uploaded 128kbps mp3s. Since the native files do not appear to be available for download from SoundCloud I'm of the opinion that Legacy have NOT uploaded 128kbps mp3s but rather, whatever piece of software he has used to rip the audio from those links has output the files at 128kbps in mp3 format.

Now, let's be clear - file compression and audio compression are not the same thing. A low resolution audio file does not equal compressed audio, it equals low resolution audio - and from listening to those samples I did not hear any tell tale signs of 128kbps (ie. low res) file compression.


Whats the significance of soundcloud?

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:43 am

TheMaskedClown wrote:Whats the significance of soundcloud?

SoundCloud is just the platform Sony Legacy have used to stream some audio samples on.

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:12 am

Matthew wrote:I suspected as much. ElvisAustralia has stated Legacy has uploaded 128kbps mp3s. Since the native files do not appear to be available for download from SoundCloud I'm of the opinion that Legacy have NOT uploaded 128kbps mp3s but rather, whatever piece of software he has used to rip the audio from those links has output the files at 128kbps in mp3 format.
Now, let's be clear - file compression and audio compression are not the same thing. A low resolution audio file does not equal compressed audio, it equals low resolution audio - and from listening to those samples I did not hear any tell tale signs of 128kbps (ie. low res) file compression.

No Matthew you are wrong. There are 128 as I stated. My software downloads the files exactly as is, be it MP3 or whatever and at the original quality and rate.

I can tell you what they are using are 128 kpbs at a setting of medium quality. And I have just made a couple of downloads to confirm this.

As for if people find 128 normally good or bad, I find I can tell the difference every time, but maybe it varies with the type of music. To me these remixes are quite – what’s the word – alive, I think Michael Brauer has been able to bring out - widen the stereo image - I am not up to speed with the technical terms, so I hope that conveys what I find listening to the songs, and I think this would be much more challenging on the lower rate of 128, and cause the definite distortion that is there that I picked up after listening for only 30 seconds, and that being along the lines of the word ‘fatigue’ that a few have used, now they know why!!!! - And after all a WAV file is 1411 kbps. A big difference to 128 kbps, although I must say I have no problem with 320 kbps. Maybe it is not so much the 128, but the 'medium' quality setting that is more the problem?

But back to the point, I can assure everyone these files are 128 kbps as I stated and so I am not surprised when I read of people complaining of fatiguing the ears.

But as we did establish in another subject and thread, the image shown by SoundCloud is not real so you can’t judge the music on that, you only have you ears.

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:17 am

What software?

As noted 128kbps sample rate will no more fatigue the ears than 320kbps or 1411kbps. File compression and audio compression are not the same thing.

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:34 am

As I once said there are no Multi-track tape for the ES that's why the samples are put up for the Afternoon Show only, so if you all think this sounds bad wait till you here the Evening Show.
Saying they have the tapes is just BS to boost sells , another month or so and everyone will agree with me here...just wait.

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:41 am

Well for giggles I googled "SoundCloud Downloader" and the first one that comes up only downloads content to - guess what - 128kbps mp3s. I downloaded the short audio samples I have previously uploaded (from wave files) such as my Just Because repaired intro that I did back in January, and my Tupelo/MRS compare from recently. Yip - both came down as a 128kbps mp3s.

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:55 am

Matthew wrote:What software?

As noted 128kbps sample rate will no more fatigue the ears than 320kbps or 1411kbps. File compression and audio compression are not the same thing.


I dont know much about this but from what I've read arent we talking about data compression/bitrate reduction here? Compression by itself is basiclay a personal thing and doesnt result in a loss of key information?

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:01 pm

TheMaskedClown wrote:I dont know much about this but from what I've read arent we talking about data compression/bitrate reduction here? Compression by itself is basiclay a personal thing and doesnt result in a loss of key information?

Bit-rate compression yes - the lower the bitrate, the more you lose in the clarity of the audio. Some here are mistaking bitrate compression with dynamic range audio compression, thinking that a low bit-rate (I personally do not believe yet that the files are low bit-rate but I digress..) has resulted with the "in your face" sound we're hearing from the samples. That's just plain wrong.

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:30 pm

midnightx wrote:
elvis-fan wrote:
Matthew wrote:The fanbase has created the rumour that Anesini will be doing his own mix of the show for the 2CD Madison Legacy Edition - so far nothing has been officially mentioned about what will appear on that title.

I haven't heard anything about a remix but based on what was said in Memphis, the Legacy Edition 2CD set will be remastered by Vic Anesini. Apparently, (and this isn't directed at you Matthew) some people don't understand the difference between remastering and remixing...

What was said in Memphis wasn't exactly clear. While remastering and remixing is often confused by a faction of fans on FECC, it still hasn't been revealed by Sony if Anesini has simply remastered the MSG tapes or if he has also produced one if his stellar "vintage" mixes. Everyone should wait for an official announcement before jumping to conclusions. That said, the Brauer produced tracks seem to offer what many of us feared; but even so, we only know Brauer mixed the tapes. I'm still surprised he got the job to work on this project considering the praise Anesini has received from his mixing of Elvis' live material.


Anesini did a good job in the past but he obviously presents a listening that is close to the original mix. Brauer was probably chosen to start from scratch and present a mix that fits in todays perception of audio. I personally think his mix is an absolute improvement and I consider it a great idea to remix original tapes for releases aimed at broad market of non Elvis fans. Breuer is NOT a nobody in todays music field, producing pop albums - just as Vic Anesini is a specialist in remixing older tapes of mostly death starts. I like Sony searching for different directions.

OnTourCam wrote:To be honest this mix is amazing i get the feel it sounds like what you would of heard that night sitting down in the big apple.
We have the old mix stuck in our heads and ears after all them years of listening it's going to take awhile to adjust to this mix give it time.


I agree. The improvement is mayor but let's be honest: the original 1972 mix was crappier than crap and rush released at the time (the 1997 Dennis Ferrante mix was not much better). It is nice to experience these concerts in a new fashion, looking forward to rediscover these concerts.

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:49 pm

The mix might be better than the original 72' mix, but does it really matter when the whole sound image is ruined by compression (loudness)? There is zero dynamics to be found but only a "wall of sound".

Re: ‘Prince From Another Planet’ samples

Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:57 pm

Matthew wrote:Well for giggles I googled "SoundCloud Downloader" and the first one that comes up only downloads content to - guess what - 128kbps mp3s. I downloaded the short audio samples I have previously uploaded (from wave files) such as my Just Because repaired intro that I did back in January, and my Tupelo/MRS compare from recently. Yip - both came down as a 128kbps mp3s.

This is hilarious, you googled SoundCloud Downloader, and this proves what? Just because it only converts to 128, this proves my software does too? Yeah, that's logical !!!!

And you admit knowing the software only did 128 but you continued to download it and use it to do the test to get 128 anyway. Yeah, logical again.

Why didn't you continue and find a program that will do the job for you? I think what you did was find the software that would give YOU the result YOU wanted Mathew.

As I have already told you I have double checked my software with a couple of downloads and mine downloads exactly what the original is. [As I knew it did] Sorry if this isn't good enough for you Mathew. And no I am not going to give out info on what I use, it is not needed, if you were serious you would have found proper software that does the job by now, there are many, or no maybe you don’t want to spend money, fair enough, but then why carry on with nonsense?

Guess what? I don't use SoundCloud Downloader!

I understand there is much debate about 128 vs 320 and CD etc but the facts are the file is 128 kbps medium quality as I have written This is all I am going to say as you will find a way to keep craping on - I am going to continue to repeat myself. Then you want to argue that this is going to sound good, well maybe to you but I can hear the difference, but maybe as I said it is not so much the kbps but the quality setting. Whatever it is, it is sure fatiguing on my ears, as interestingly it is to others.