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Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:08 am

Sorry Doc - you say now you DIDN'T suggest the clothes were cheaply made?

What your few photos show, beginning with the ones circa 1970-71, is that Elvis somewhat liked the costumes designed by Bill Belew in June 1968 and requested -- after the special -- that Belew make a few similar items for him to wear, most likely using more expensive and longer-lasting material.

Why more expensive? Because NBC-TV and Singer had a specific program budget; it is a fact they were so cheap they would not underwrite STEREO recording at Burbank, even when engineer Bones Howe begged them. Thus, Belew had to adhere to its constraints as much as anyone else.


Surely your whole point here is your suggesting Elvis would have requested Bill Belew create replicas in more expensive and long lasting material, and went on to talk about how cheap NBC were. Does that not imply you feel the originals were cheaply made?

Essentially, by refusing to accept any of the evidence of Elvis clearly wearing the same clothes that were made for the special, insiting they are instead exact replicas, it's you who is refusing to engage, not me.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:16 am

Certainly someone out there in Elvisland knows whether the item(s) he wore in the '68 Special saw further use later? I gotta believe he did based on what I've seen here, but if he did ask Belew for more-expensive items later, I'd like to know that, as well.

Seems a bit far-fetched to think Elvis Presley might wear something he didn't like because of someone else's budget, though.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:58 pm

JamesVRoy wrote:
DarrylMac wrote:Thanks James - great pics! Must have been great to be there.


I've been there more than a few times, many when I won't even go in. I'll be there next week, not sure I'm going to go in but would like to see the Hawaii exhibit.


Just thought I'd mention that last week while at Graceland for Scotty's interview I tried to get in to see the Hawaii Exhibit. I felt like Jack Nicholson trying to order toast in "Five Easy Pieces." The Exhibit is not the type of thing that you can just go see. Its an extra limited time exhibit that you can see if you take the other tours even though it stands alone somewhere in the side plaza. They had no idea how to charge me for just that. The mansion is $33 alone, $37 if you get the other museums. I suggested then that they just charge me $4 and I wouldn't got to the mansion or the other museums but they said they couldn't do that. Finally i just gave up and walked away.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:39 pm

DarrylMac you are indeed correct about it being the same jacket. The company that Belew used to make all of Elvis' wardrobe he designed (I.C. Costume Co.) used two different labels in their clothing during the years they were in business. In 1968 when Elvis' wardrobe was designed and made the label they were using was "International Costume Company." (This label can be seen in the black velvet jacket displayed in "Elvis fashion.") A year later they changed their label and name to "I.C. Costume Co." All of Elvis' wardrobe from the 68 special was indeed taken home with him after the taping finished. This information is straight from Ciro Romano who virtually tailored all of Elvis' clothes for this company starting for the special until the end. Knowing Ciro and having many discussions with him in regards to Elvis' clothing confirms your belief.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:25 pm

Thanks so much for the additional information, Its A Matter Of Time! I really appreciate you taking the time to help to confirm what common sense tells us was the case. There was never a doubt in my mind that the clothes in the photos posted by myself and others here were indeed the same ones made for, and worn in the 68 special.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:17 pm

It's a matter of Time wrote:... In 1968 when Elvis' wardrobe was designed and made the label they were using was "International Costume Company." (This label can be seen in the black velvet jacket displayed in "Elvis fashion.") A year later they changed their label and name to "I.C. Costume Co."


Interesting detail and new information for me :o

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:13 am

It's a matter of Time wrote:DarrylMac you are indeed correct about it being the same jacket. The company that Belew used to make all of Elvis' wardrobe he designed (I.C. Costume Co.) used two different labels in their clothing during the years they were in business. In 1968 when Elvis' wardrobe was designed and made the label they were using was "International Costume Company." (This label can be seen in the black velvet jacket displayed in "Elvis fashion.") A year later they changed their label and name to "I.C. Costume Co." All of Elvis' wardrobe from the 68 special was indeed taken home with him after the taping finished. This information is straight from Ciro Romano who virtually tailored all of Elvis' clothes for this company starting for the special until the end. Knowing Ciro and having many discussions with him in regards to Elvis' clothing confirms your belief.


Bloody brilliant information ::rocks


Somehow the Doc will discredit you with some piffle, no doubt, tick tock, tick tock....

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:56 pm

Matt Ashton wrote:
It's a matter of Time wrote:DarrylMac you are indeed correct about it being the same jacket. The company that Belew used to make all of Elvis' wardrobe he designed (I.C. Costume Co.) used two different labels in their clothing during the years they were in business. In 1968 when Elvis' wardrobe was designed and made the label they were using was "International Costume Company." (This label can be seen in the black velvet jacket displayed in "Elvis fashion.") A year later they changed their label and name to "I.C. Costume Co." All of Elvis' wardrobe from the 68 special was indeed taken home with him after the taping finished. This information is straight from Ciro Romano who virtually tailored all of Elvis' clothes for this company starting for the special until the end. Knowing Ciro and having many discussions with him in regards to Elvis' clothing confirms your belief.


Bloody brilliant information ::rocks


Somehow the Doc will discredit you with some piffle, no doubt, tick tock, tick tock....




In an interview given by designer Bill Belew, he specifically recalls making the outfit for Elvis in 1970:


Tell us what it was like to work with Elvis. Any funny stories besides the cape?

[snip]

So, I guess there were a lot of interesting things that I did for him, and probably one of the biggest things was, of course, when he met President Nixon. And he called and said, you know, 'I want you to do a suit because I'm going to meet the president'. And I always remember that being such a big thrill for him because, I remember I had worked for Kennedy. And I was doing a show in New York for which Jacqueline Kennedy had asked us to be one of the people that came to the White House for his birthday party to perform. And I know what that was like, being a small town southern boy. There's nothin' like meeting your president.

And, so, one day I was up at the house, after Elvis had come back. And normally all I did, I was in the living room and we conducted all of our meetings. And, I was asked to come back into the bedroom and I thought oh god now what's gonna happen, you know. I'm goin back. And he and Priscilla were in bed and he all the books out and the pamphlets and everything from the president. He said I want you to see all this and he said see how great it is. And we were sittin' there and we were lookin' at the books and the things that were autographed for him.

And I said, 'I know how you feel because I know what it was like when I met President Kennedy'. I thought it was the greatest thing that had ever happened to me. And later I happened to work with Tish Baldridge and she said 'What could I do for you?' And I said 'Somewhere in the vaults, theres a picture of me meeting President Kennedy. I would like to have it'. And Tish Baldridge was just absolutely fabulous. I don't know how she ever found it. God she did and I got the picture and it still sits on my table, in my living room.

But as I said to Elvis, I said 'I know how excited you are. You know, I just I can, I'm right there with ya'. And it was like a little boy, you know. We just had a piece of candy and boy we were just havin a good time. And I think I have a book and a couple of other papers that he gave me that night. He said 'I want you to have these, from my visit, at the White House'. Terrific.

Was it kind of a purple suit?

No, it was dark navy blue.

What were you thinking when you designed it?

Well it was very similar to almost everything else that I had done for him. The basic clothes, you know. And the only thing that I did, is add the cape to the suit, which sometimes we did sometimes we didn't, you know.


https://www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview-bill-belew.shtml




So the answer to the question about the Nixon visit is exactly as I originally wrote.


drjohncarpenter wrote:It's clearly not the same suit, although likely designed by the same man, Bill Belew.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:01 am

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Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:14 am

Ah, my favorite thread got bumped again ...

drjohncarpenter wrote:And he called and said, you know, 'I want you to do a suit because I'm going to meet the president'.

And everybody thought it was an impulsive thing nobody knew about ...

drjohncarpenter wrote:Was it kind of a purple suit?

No, it was dark navy blue.

What were you thinking when you designed it?

Well it was very similar to almost everything else that I had done for him. The basic clothes, you know. And the only thing that I did, is add the cape to the suit, which sometimes we did sometimes we didn't, you know.



https://www.elvis.com.au/presley/interview-bill-belew.shtml



What cape?

But maybe I'm missing something. No time to investigate right now...

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:21 pm

First time I've ever noticed this.. but is EP wearing one of the Vegas '69 karate gi's at the presidential meeting?

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:26 pm

The 68 jacket and Nixon meeting is one and the same.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:13 pm

Juan Luis wrote:The 68 jacket and Nixon meeting is one and the same.


Of course it is.

What a surprise to find just the usual forum member trying to argue differently, yet again.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:22 pm

Got the feeling that the topic about Johnny Cash being a dwarf is about to be reopened any day now.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:26 pm

sundial77 wrote:First time I've ever noticed this.. but is EP wearing one of the Vegas '69 karate gi's at the presidential meeting?



No idea.

But it is irrefutable that Bill Belew clearly states in the interview I found that he crafted what Elvis wore to the White House visit in 1970.

It seems some here have trouble accepting that fact. Shocker. ;-)

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:04 pm

goldbelt wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:The 68 jacket and Nixon meeting is one and the same.


Of course it is.

What a surprise to find just the usual forum member trying to argue differently, yet again.
And he'll stubbornly revive the thread years from now again. And the 68 jacket will still be one and the same as the one Elvis wore at the White House when meeting Nixon. :)

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:31 am

sundial77 wrote:First time I've ever noticed this.. but is EP wearing one of the Vegas '69 karate gi's at the presidential meeting?


Yes, he was wearing the navy blue herringbone suit from the 1969 Vegas season (but with a shirt underneath it) - with the jacket from the comeback special draped over his shoulders.

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Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:44 am

Regardless of it being the jacket from '68 or not, it definitely looks cool. I'd love to have one.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:39 am

SteamrollerBlues wrote:Regardless of it being the jacket from '68 or not, it definitely looks cool. I'd love to have one.
There seem to be two identical jackets so this should be no problem

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Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:38 pm

goldbelt wrote:
sundial77 wrote:First time I've ever noticed this.. but is EP wearing one of the Vegas '69 karate gi's at the presidential meeting?


Yes, he was wearing the navy blue herringbone suit from the 1969 Vegas season (but with a shirt underneath it) - with the jacket from the comeback special draped over his shoulders.

--> http://www.elvis100percent.com/jumpsuit ... ngbone.htm

Image

Thanks, Goldbelt. I've seen this photo regularly for 30 something years and that was the first time I ever noticed this!!!

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:24 pm

I stand by all of my earlier photos / comparisons etc. The clothes he wore in the TV special were taken home, and he certainly wore the velvet suit on a number of occasions, including using the jacket to meet the president.

As others have noted, Elvis didn't plan to meet the president, it was a spontaneous thing, and Bill Belew cettainly didn't have time to design and make a suit and have it shipped to Washington! As Its A Matter Of Time posted, the labels changed and if Belew had made the jacket later, if would have had a different label.

As doc has said re: Dolly Parton claiming Elvis wanted to do I Will Always Love You, Belew must be "misremembering".

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:20 pm

You're spot on DarrylMac as I have relayed here before. Ciro Romano Elvis' tailor who hand stiched every garment made for Elvis from "International Costume Co." to " I.C. Costume co." only made one black velvet jacket which was designed by Belew and hand tailored by Ciro. After spending countless hours with Ciro over the years both discussing how Elvis' wardrobe was made and purchasing some of Elvis' wardrobe pieces from Ciro, the 68 jacket was also worn to meet the President. . Regardless of what Bill's memory recalls (I've had numerous conversations with him as well over the years and it was not uncommon for some of Bill's recollections vary from time to time.) Ciro only made one such jacket. The one that was worn for the 68 special and the meeting with the Presiden are one in the same.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:14 pm

DarrylMac wrote:I stand by all of my earlier photos / comparisons etc. The clothes he wore in the TV special were taken home, and he certainly wore the velvet suit on a number of occasions, including using the jacket to meet the president.

As others have noted, Elvis didn't plan to meet the president, it was a spontaneous thing, and Bill Belew cettainly didn't have time to design and make a suit and have it shipped to Washington! As Its A Matter Of Time posted, the labels changed and if Belew had made the jacket later, if would have had a different label.

As doc has said re: Dolly Parton claiming Elvis wanted to do I Will Always Love You, Belew must be "misremembering".



When I came across the interview I was very surprised to read Bill's explicit and unsolicited comments, and they cannot be easily dismissed. If he is "misremembering," it is far more detailed and extensive a false memory than anything Dolly Parton ever said regarding her songs. In the latter case, there is a lot of factual data which completely usurps what Parton claims. This is not the case with the Belew interview.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:18 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
DarrylMac wrote:I stand by all of my earlier photos / comparisons etc. The clothes he wore in the TV special were taken home, and he certainly wore the velvet suit on a number of occasions, including using the jacket to meet the president.

As others have noted, Elvis didn't plan to meet the president, it was a spontaneous thing, and Bill Belew cettainly didn't have time to design and make a suit and have it shipped to Washington! As Its A Matter Of Time posted, the labels changed and if Belew had made the jacket later, if would have had a different label.

As doc has said re: Dolly Parton claiming Elvis wanted to do I Will Always Love You, Belew must be "misremembering".



When I came across the interview I was very surprised to read Bill's explicit and unsolicited comments, and they cannot be easily dismissed. If he is "misremembering," it is far more detailed and extensive a false memory than anything Dolly Parton ever said regarding her songs. In the latter case, there is a lot of factual data which completely usurps what Parton claims. This is not the case with the Belew interview.


Bill Belew was probably conflating his memory of making the blue crushed fur suit that had the cape with the clothes that Elvis wore to meet Nixon which is understandable given how many different clothes he designed for various people over the years. Bill had claimed to have designed suits that Gene Doucette says he designed so who knows who is telling the truth on those? Like sundial77, I had looked at the Elvis & Nixon photo for 30+ years and always assumed it was a special suit with a cape. But when the Mobile Graceland exhibit came to our area about 12 years ago or so, they had the suit that Elvis wore to meet Nixon and I was shocked to see that it was indeed the black herring bone Gi suit from 69 with the midnight blue/black coat from or identical to the 68 Singer special. So there was no cape and it was not something specially designed by Belew for the occasion. The problem is, the Elvis/Nixon pictures are in black and white and when they've been reproduced in books and magazines the suit is usually too dark to notice all the detail. But at the Mobile Elvis exhibit, they had very high resolution pictures accompanying the suit with the correct light balance where you could clearly see the detail of the clothes and that it was a herring bone 69 suit and a 68 special jacket over his shoulders.

Re: Is there a chance this jacket is from the 68 comeback?

Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:56 am

Elvis on the spur of the moment left the house (on his own for the first time since he exploded onto the world!!) after having argued with his father and Priscilla about how he was spending too much money and Vernon saying something along the lines of 'we make good money son but it's not like the Fifties anymore'....anyway, he threw on what he could grab from his closet, and it most certainly looks like one of his 1969 Vegas stage suits with the jacket from the Comeback Special thrown over like some sort of cape.

Not wishing to be disrespectful to the late Mr. Belew but his story about how he specially made Elvis a suit for his Nixon meeting is bollocks.