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Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis (updated) plus Army files

Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:49 am

Just in case anyone missed these photo's from this thread,
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50569

Nancy Sinatra can be seen presenting a gift to Elvis (on behalf of her father) which as Nancy explains on her sIte,were two tuxedo shirts.

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Nancy Sinatra : These are fun. From when I went to Fort Dix to meet Elvis when he came back from the army. I can't believe the hairdo! You will recognize Col. Parker in the first one.

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Nancy Sinatra : The guy on the left is publicist David Gershenson. The box in my lap contained the two tuxedo shirts I brought as a welcome home gift for Elvis.

From here : http://nancysinatra.com/whatsnew.php?show=4


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Peter Guralnick writes that :"now he had donned one of the two formal LACE shirts that Frank Sinatra's nineteen-year-old daughter, Nancy, had presented to him at Fort Dix on behalf of her father"



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PHOTO BY CHARLES NICHOLAS/THE COMMERCIAL APPEAL Some 200 fans waited at Union Station to welcome Elvis Presley home from his stint in the U.S. Army on March 7, 1960. He was wearing a (non-issue) dress blue Army uniform made in Germany. Elvis was discharged at the rank of sergeant, but the tailor had mistakenly given him the stripes of staff sergeant. The 'formal' white shirt was a gift from Frank Sinatra delivered March 3 by his daughter, Nancy, on Elvis' first day back in the U.S. On March 26, Elvis would tape a special "Welcome Home, Elvis" version of Sinatra's ABC-TV variety show, which aired May 12. Asked by reporters if he planned to wiggle his hips when he returned to singing, Elvis said: "I'm gonna sing and I'll let the shaking come naturally. If I had to stand still and sing, I'd be lost. I can't get any feeling that way."

There seems to be a bit of confusion about which kind of shirt Nancy Sinatra gave Elvis?
Davide
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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:35 pm

davide wrote:PHOTO BY CHARLES NICHOLAS/THE COMMERCIAL APPEAL ...the tailor had mistakenly given him the stripes of staff sergeant.

No mistake - that was on purpose.
In Roanoke he wore his normal uniform with sergeant stripes.
Approaching Memphis he had changed his uniform

Below some rare (cropped) photo's of Elvis with his staff sergeant stripes before his official disharge.

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btw: he wore the same uniform (with SP4 insignia) in Paris '60

Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:34 pm

E-Cat wrote:
davide wrote:PHOTO BY CHARLES NICHOLAS/THE COMMERCIAL APPEAL ...the tailor had mistakenly given him the stripes of staff sergeant.

No mistake - that was on purpose.
In Roanoke he wore his normal uniform with sergeant stripes.
Approaching Memphis he had changed his uniform

Below some rare (cropped) photo's of Elvis with his staff sergeant stripes before his official disharge.

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btw: he wore the same uniform (with SP4 insignia) in Paris '60


Wait a minute, there's something fishy here. You're saying he made it to the rank of E-6 in two years, and in only two months after being promoted to E-5 in January? And then on duty, he regularly wore the insignia of a lower grade, like for the press conference?

As of today anyway, you have to have at least 11 months at that rank to be eligible for promotion and also have at least 3 months active left to serve. I'm having a hard time believing he made that rank at all.

Here's a DD-214 that says he was an E-5 (buck seargent) at time of discharge
http://www.3ad.com/history/at.ease/elvis.section/photo.pages/dd.214.b.htm

This, I believe is that fatigue jacket in those pictures with the proper insignia
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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:07 pm

Before Elvis was promoted to Sgt, he was Acting Sgt. End Feb Elvis was Acting Staff Sgt (see photos) but (obviously) was never promoted, so Elvis official rank at discharge was E-5 indeed.

Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:29 pm

E-Cat wrote:Before Elvis was promoted to Sgt, he was Acting Sgt. End Feb Elvis was Acting Staff Sgt (see photos) but (obviously) was never promoted, so Elvis official rank at discharge was E-5 indeed.


So then when you said "No mistake - that was on purpose" you mean that the tailor mistakenly gave him the wrong rank on purpose, or based on misinterpreted information, and not that the non regulation uniform he wore on the train bore his correct or proper rank? Or was the uniform intended to bear "acting" insignia?

Also, just curious, but where was it written about the "acting staff sergeant" info.? Guralnick in Careless Love only listed the "acting sergeant" story
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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:44 pm

I think Elvis wore this insignia just to look good for the media. Since the press would concentrate on his arrival in Memphis, he changed his uniform before arriving to Memphis - probably all part of Colonel's plan.

Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:09 am

I did not read your additional remarks at the time I posted my reply above

JamesVRoy wrote: Also, just curious, but where was it written about the "acting staff sergeant" info.?

Since I found out that much that was wrttten about the Army days is not correct or complete (even EJ's book contains errors) I started to verify every single word that was wriiten about the Army days. I spent thousands of hours researching the Army days, went through archives, interviewed many people (incl army buddies), dated ca 3500 Army photo's, spent 6 months in Germany (even at Goethestr.) and found much new info & many new photo's, both from Germany and US.

When I found ca 6 different photo's of Elvis with E-6 insignia, they were all taken before he was discharged. One of the soldiers who took the photo stated that he was temporary acting staff sgt - based on his excellent leadership while on manoevres in Graf. In addition, the photo's I posted above where he can be seen wearing this insignia are no fake photo's!

JamesVRoy wrote: Guralnick in Careless Love only listed the "acting sergeant" story
Guralnick's work does not cover the Army days into detail - for example : the days at Fort Dix are not even mentioned.
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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:11 am

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taken not too long after / before:
(Elvis had not arrived yet)

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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:55 am

and another one of Nancy waiting for Elvis to arrive at the Press Conf.

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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:18 am

E-Cat wrote:I think Elvis wore this insignia just to look good for the media. Since the press would concentrate on his arrival in Memphis, he changed his uniform before arriving to Memphis - probably all part of Colonel's plan.


That is what i have understood as well E-Cat.
....That Parker had a hand in the Staff-stripes,and had said "They show up better for the pictures" ...for what its worth!

Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:24 am

Film footage http://www.itnsource.com/compilations/p ... =S31050701 CLIP 20
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Arrival at Fort Dix USA: New Jersey: Fort Dix/McGuire Air Force Base: EXT Elvis Presley off plane in heavy snow and posing for photographs Presley waving Teenage girls shivering in the snow waiting for Elvis

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All Photo's by Al Fenn
Life Archives

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Before Elvis's arrival, Colonel Parker briefs the press,and stands for a photo below. The above Photo's have been taken from the ladder shown.

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Davide
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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:47 am

nice thread great info ::rocks

Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:17 am

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Davide
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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:30 am

To put the arrival photo's in correct chronical order, i'd like to add that the photo's with the fans (standing outside)
staring through the window are not taken on arrival, but during the actual press conference (just after Elvis held up his
army certifcate). They were ordered to calm down, (not seen in itn footage)

from (other) footage / press conf:

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Before Elvis's arrival, Colonel Parker briefs the press,and stands for a photo

The other person in the photo (L) with Parker looks like Tom Diskin.
Diskin as well as Sholes, Fike, Bienstock & Aberbach were all present

note: since the plane made 2 stops before landing at McGuire AFB (7.40 EST), there was very few time to sleep.
Nevertheless, Elvis looked remarkably fit.

Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:49 pm

E-Cat wrote:To put the arrival photo's in correct chronical order, i'd like to add that the photo's with the fans (standing outside)
staring through the window are not taken on arrival, but during the actual press conference (just after Elvis held up his
army certifcate). They were ordered to calm down, (not seen in itn footage)

from (other) footage / press conf:

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Before Elvis's arrival, Colonel Parker briefs the press,and stands for a photo

The other person in the photo (L) with Parker looks like Tom Diskin.
Diskin as well as Sholes, Fike, Bienstock & Aberbach were all present

note: since the plane made 2 stops before landing at McGuire AFB (7.40 EST), there was very few time to sleep.
Nevertheless, Elvis looked remarkably fit.



I'll try and put the images in the correct order as soon as possible.

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Tom Diskin,Colonel Tom Parker and Lamer Fike await Elvis's arrival.

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Colonel Parker in conversation with Lamar Fike.


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Elvis With Tina Louise
Tina Louise, actress and future star of Gilligan's Island, interviews Elvis Presley upon his return from his 1959-60 Army tour of duty in Germany.
At the press conference that followed, actress Tina Louise, speaking for Mutual radio, askedElvis if he was still going to use suggestive movements. Elvis mumbled a replywhich implied there would be a little change in his act. He contended that hismovements were "natural.” Elvis told another reporter that there wouldn’t be a switch to “a more adult type of singing.” His sideburns won’t return, but he’ll wear his hair slightly longer
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David Bittan’s Variety March 9, 1960.
“Sergeant Elvis Presley was mustered out of the Army in a production worthy of one of the nine films he is scheduled to make in the next three years. ,Elvis looked tired but fit.”
“Among those present were actress Tina Louise, representing the Mutual radio network, and Nancy Sinatra, appearing on behalf of her father.” Of course, Colonel Parker was right in the middle of it all, as well, throwing out some big numbers, some no doubt exaggerated, concerning Elvis. He claimed Elvis had earned $1.6 million in record royalties while in the service. Parker announced that now that Elvis was out of the army, he would earn $850,000 from films and TV in 1960, including $125,000 for appearing on Sinatra’s May 12 TV special.

Reporters ran for the telephones as they would at a Presidential press conference. Thirty phone booths had been set up for writers to call in their stories. Using one of the phones was Tina Louise, telephoning Mutual’s Washington newsroom with a dispatch written for her by a newsman, who just happened to be present.”

Billboard written by Ben Grevatt, May 7, 1960,

Conditions hardly could have been worse. Despite a snow storm which quickly reached blizzard proportions, a great bevy of newspaper, magazine, TV, radio and newsreel people braved treacherous highway conditions to reach the post. which included red-headed, voluptuous actress Tina Louise.”

“Meanwhile, outside the window of the auditorium,there was a gathering furor of another kind. This was a small army of teen-age fans who squealed and pounded on the windows till an orderly was sent to quiet them down. They did not quiet down, however.”

"It was learned that on the way back to New York,Miss Louise and her companions got stuck in a snowdrift on the New Jersey Turnpike.”
Taken from Alan Hanson's Blog

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Davide
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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:05 pm

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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:51 am

Thanks Terry

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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:23 am

Nancy Sinatra was 19 years old then -- still a brunette, she was so cute!

Tina Louise was 26 and four years away from her iconic role as "Ginger Grant" on CBS-TV's "Gilligan's Island."

Both ladies are still with us today, too.

David, reading one of your posts is like opening a Christmas gift, any time of the year -- thanks, as always.
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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:01 am

Davide,how many photograph " LIFE " exist?
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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis & Press Conference 1960 LIFE

Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:21 pm

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Davide
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Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:55 am

Terry wrote:how many photograph " LIFE " exist?

I assume you refer to the LIFE photo's recently being posted on this MB:

LIFE sent 1 photographer to Grafenwöhr,1 photographer to Germany
to cover his last days in Germany (Feb 25 - March 2) and LIFE sent 2
photographers to Fort Dix to make photo's from his return (March 3-5)

LIFE took in total ca 450 photo's from these events (few used for original
publication and many rejected photo's being kept off-line for many yrs).
Ofcourse more photo's exist taken by other photographers.

Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:20 am

Thanks for the info regarding Life photographers E-Cat - I have found about 210 photo's from the Life archives so far,although they don't all feature Elvis of course.
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This image could have been great as the cover for 'Elvis Is Back!'

Here is a film clip with very British take on Elvis arrival back in the US :
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ELVIS QUITS U.S. ARMY 1960 http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=41324
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back soon with some more
Davide

Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:34 am

E-Cat wrote:
Terry wrote:how many photograph " LIFE " exist?

I assume you refer to the LIFE photo's recently being posted on this MB:

LIFE sent 1 photographer to Grafenwöhr,1 photographer to Germany
to cover his last days in Germany (Feb 25 - March 2) and LIFE sent 2
photographers to Fort Dix to make photo's from his return (March 3-5)

LIFE took in total ca 450 photo's from these events (few used for original
publication and many rejected photo's being kept off-line for many yrs).
Ofcourse more photo's exist taken by other photographers.


davide wrote:Thanks for the info regarding Life photographers E-Cat - I have found about 210 photo's from the Life archives so far,
although they don't all feature Elvis of course.

You are welcome David. Yes you are right, a small part - however less than 10 % (excl. the fans shots from
March 3) - do not feature Elvis and / or Priscilla.

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David, the picture you posted - from the first part of the clip - is not from his arrival in the US, but from his departure at
Rhein-Main Air Base in Frankfurt, just before boarding the plane (USAF C-54 ?) which departed 5.20 p.m. local time, March 2.

Btw: would it be possible to number the photo's in future, this would make it more easy to comment on a specific
photo or help putting them in the right sequence.

As always - great topic, thanks again!

Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:45 am

I have numbered the photo's as suggested, and yes the image of Elvis boarding the plane was just a reference to the clip as a whole.

Davide

Re: Nancy Sinatra gift to Elvis -1960

Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:25 am

E-Cat wrote:
Terry wrote:how many photograph " LIFE " exist?

I assume you refer to the LIFE photo's recently being posted on this MB:

LIFE sent 1 photographer to Grafenwöhr,1 photographer to Germany
to cover his last days in Germany (Feb 25 - March 2) and LIFE sent 2
photographers to Fort Dix to make photo's from his return (March 3-5)

LIFE took in total ca 450 photo's from these events (few used for original
publication and many rejected photo's being kept off-line for many yrs).
Ofcourse more photo's exist taken by other photographers.


Oups ! Incredible..

Thnx